Hey-Suess Chronicles Volume 6: Q Dots

Maxwell C. Bridges

2009-12-31

An earlier volume discussed briefly the Q Group. If such a group of around 1,000 employees in the NSA exists and were active on AlterNet, then this volume would represent an imcomplete trail of their Q drops.

Under the weight of a threat that GuitarBill proved he is willing to (im)morally act on, GuitarBill demanded:

Now, how about YOU do the honorable thing and remove my commentary--EVERY ASCII character--from your vanity website?

And that includes ALL references to "GuitarBill".

This volume obviously -- and honorably -- doesn't do that. Stand by your words.

The executive summary is that GuitarBill was a 9/11 Truther and even debated (July 2008) an ardent 9/11 Coincidence Theorists, EncinoM. When he returned from a three month break (March 2009), GuitarBill changed his 9/11 posturing 180 degrees, a turn-about he has never fully explained or even offered up the trigger piece of evidence that flip-flopped him. It was almost as if GuitarBill was a new person, or as if the "GuitarBill" persona was handed to someone else (or a tag-team). He then actively participates in debunking any postings that question any aspects of the official 9/11 story and that suggest US government involvement. He employs win-at-any-cost tactics, where insults and ad hominem attacks are deployed early in debates: attacking the messenger. He ultimately proves he is not beyond outing someone and potentially causing employment harm.

The apology to Longdream about having disrespected then-Senator Obama is particularly noteworthy. To my knowledge since that time, GuitarBill has never apologized for anything in the AlterNet discussions despite having instigated some pretty vicious and highly personal attacks on his opponents to which this and previous volume bear record. Another aspect that makes it unique is that it appears to be the time frame when GuitarBill officially switches sides to the 9/11 Coincidence Theorist. It is as if he works for a government organization, felt the way the wind was blowing under an Obama Administration, and must make his peace in order to embark on his new job adding Q dots.

This volume illustrates the trendlines composed of many Q dots from an employee of NSA's Q group:

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If presented, excerpted passages are not 100% faithful to the original.

When presented, both summaries and multiple excerpted passages are not presented in chronological order (flat unthreaded view). Instead, they are in a threaded view relating to the subject but with threading indentation removed during the primitive text-copy operation. Many of the longer excerpted passages maybe should have been trimmed further for relevancy but for lack of this editor's/author's time.

The <pre> tags are used to format the primative text-copy instances. This serves to turn off word-wrapping, which is helpful in the summaries, but imposes readability problems and horizontal scrolling issues with detailed excerpts. The side-effects were deemed an acceptable trade-off, because it is not the purpose of this volume to faithfully publish and format the words of others. The titles are linked to their sources for the curious.

This volume's purpose is to highlight trends & actions and illustrate train of thought. The non-word-wrapping, cumbersome, reading format actual assists in this aim. Scanning the subject lines in the summaries is often sufficient to prove targetted uncivil behavior. Within the excerpted body passages, scanning the first phrases of each paragraph (without scrolling to the right) is usual sufficient to judge intent, the worthiness of the posting, any negative tactics, and its Q dot in the overall trendlines.

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Posted by Mark Ristaino, AlterNet at 10:27 PM on July 28, 2008.
NYPD Assaults Critical Mass Cyclist

2008-07-28

» Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger Posted by: EncinoM
» What "scholarly journals"? Posted by: zipoka
» RE: What "scholarly journals"? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: What "scholarly journals"? Posted by: zipoka
I never met a cop who, in the final analysis, wasn't
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 9:30 AM   
Current rating: 5

a punk. 



Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 9:37 AM   
Current rating: 5

and self-appointed 911 gatekeeper?

Armed with his copy of Popular Mechanics, this individual attacks anyone who expresses the slightest doubt about the official story/fiction of 911. What a putz.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 10:01 AM   
Current rating: 1

Why, you truthers are funny. YOu have adopted a position on science and scientific reasoning that would make an IDer blush.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 10:06 AM   
Current rating: 5

I've not read one comment you've made on 911 that could be called anything less than an ad hominem attack.

You don't debate, you engage in shameless demagoguery.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 10:20 AM   
Current rating: 1

After sevensa years I learn that debate with truthers is useless. Truthers have no desire to find or discover the truth, they are only interested in what they consider the truth and blindly follow that dogma and the priests Jones and Griffen who spew it.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 10:40 AM   
Current rating: 5

You sound like a broken record. Your reply's are as predictable as they are fact-free.

Furthermore, I'm not a "truther", I merely stated in a previous thread that Operation Northwoods should concern everyone who questions the official story of 911.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 11:36 AM   
Current rating: 1

Who are you trying to kid? You repeat the same truthiness garbage, without offering evidence. The only evidence that you offer was a plan from the early sixties that never left the drawing board.

Besides a plan that never happened, nor is there any evidence that any of those people involved in that plan, had anything to do with 9/11, what is evidence. By citing to Op. Northwoods, you are impling that the US did it. Where is there any shread of proof. The fact that you discredit pop mech. shows your anti-science bias.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 12:34 PM   
Current rating: 5

"You repeat the same truthiness garbage, without offering evidence."

Now you've pissed me off. I challenge you to show me ONE sentence where I said anything that wasn't directly related to Operation Northwoods. Put up, or shut up, you right wing liar.

For your information, expressing DOUBT in the official 911 story is akin to being an agnostic (one who does not know if God exists) as opposed to a true believer (one who is certain that God exists) and an atheist (one who is certain God does not exist).

I don't know what happened on 911 and neither do you. All you "know" is what the US government and the news media told you (and neither "source" is credible and both are known to lie with abandon).

The fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would not only conceive of but approve a murderous plan like Operation Northwoods should frighten ANY sane individual, your braindead caterwauling to the contrary notwithstanding.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 1:27 PM   
Current rating: 1

Read your own damn comments, you make mention of operation northwood, which implies the government was responcible for 9/11, which is a centrasl tenent of the truthiness movement. Yet offer no proof to back it up.

As far as what I know, yes part comes from media and government sources, part comes from scholarly reporting and journals. I try not to waste my time with the tin foil hat crowd and their various conspiracy theories.
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Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 1:42 PM   
Current rating: 5

The magazine pushing the government's 9/11 propaganda, Popular Mechanics, is published by the Hearst family (of Yellow Journalism fame).

Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior researcher who authored Popular Mechanics 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

The president of Hearst Magazines, one of the world's largest publishers of monthly magazines with 18 U.S. titles and more than 100 international editions, is Cathleen P. Black, a 60-year old native of Chicago. Black oversees the publication of 175 titles around the world including Cosmopolitan, Harpers Bazaar, Town & Country, Esquire, Good Housekeeping, and Popular Mechanics. Black is a former president and publisher of USA Today.

Black was hired by Hearst Corp. to head its magazine division. Black sits on the boards of Hearst Corp., the Advertising Council, IBM, and Coca-Cola. She is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, an obscure lawyer who became a White House Fellow in 1977 and served as special assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence. Prior to serving the CIA, Harvey worked at the New York law office of Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The international law firm, co-founded by Morris Hadley, a 1916 member of Yale University's secret society Skull & Bones, has ties to the CIA and lists William H. Webster, DCI from 1987-1991, as a senior partner. Webster also serves on the Homeland Security Advisory Council.

Thus, Popular Mechanics is little more than government propaganda.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 2:40 PM   
Current rating: 1

There has never been any proof of any close relationship between the Chernoffs, other then a offhand comment by. Stick with the relevant Players, Black and Harvey.

First, BLack is president of Hearst, fine what evidence do you have that she had anything to do with the editorial decision to debunk the 9/11 myths (notice you do not debunk the debunking, but attack the messenger). Second, what her husband did in the past is of little relevance, what is he doing now and what evidence do you have of any influence he has over editorial decisions made by Black. Again, this "evidence" is not even hearsay, but innuendo and rumor with a little tangents thrown in.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM   
Current rating: 5

Oh please, use your brain for once.

Black is the president of Popular Mechanics. There is no question that an article of this import, and of major necessity to provide "substance" to the government's 911 fairy tale, was subject to her influence.

Furthermore, Black is married to a spook. Given the nature of Operation Mockingbird, which is still ongoing, there's no doubt that this 911 propaganda piece was influenced and directed by "the agency".

Have you always been naive, or do you just play a naive fool on Alternet?
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RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM   
Current rating: 1

Do you spend your nights looking for the black helicopters?

Again, you attack the messenger without attacking the message. The Popular Mechanic piece did debunk many of the myths you and the other truthers love to spout. Loose Change and its various re-edits has been debunked.

Black is married to an ex-pook, and you provide no evidence of anything, only innuendo.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 3:24 PM   
Current rating: 5

Ever heard of "plausible deniability"? (Look it up, perhaps you'll learn something)

Isn't it convenient that Black, one of the most powerful women in the world, just happens to be married to a verified spook with connections to one of Wall Street's most influential law firms? (duh)

In any case, I don't wrestle with pigs...you know the rest.

Isn't your mom calling you? It's time for your daily dose of fascistic propaganda and spin ala O'Reilly and Hannity.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. I don't care what you believe.
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 29, 2008 5:41 PM   
Current rating: 1

So know you are an expert on the relationship between Black and Harvey, clearly there can be no love between the 2, but the marriage was a business deal. Again, their relationship those not take away from the science and facts presented by Popular Mechanics and other Scholarly Journals that debunk the 9/11 myths.

Your evidence is a house of cards. There is nothing solid, but alot of rumors and innuendos. Come back when you have something that is tangable and not wisps of myths and conspiracy theories.

Run indoors, the spy satellites and chem trails are coming over your home.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jul 30, 2008 9:11 AM   
Current rating: 5

A reason, a motive,a vested interest. NO?
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 9:50 AM   
Current rating: 1

Proof?

The Silverstein lie is a blood liable. The myth is that Silverstein told Fire officals to "pull it" meaning to set off the explosives. If that is true, you are saying that fire officals were invovled in the deaths of the firefighters.

These is other non-sense. THe only thing you have is, what a prudent business took out insurance policy after he leased the property and a statement taken out of context. Got to do better.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 30, 2008 11:58 AM   
Current rating: 5

Too bad you have no idea what you're talking about.

Silverstein did use the term "pull it"; however, he used the term in reference to building seven not the North or South towers. As a result, your reference to "blood libel" is pure demagoguery.

Incidentally, no one perished in the building seven collapse, as you would mistakenly have us believe.

Moreover, building seven was not struck by anything, certainly not by an airliner or anything else, for that matter.

Add to this the fact that no skyscraper in the history of the world has ever collapsed as the result of fire and it's not hard to see why many, many Americans are suspicious.

Perhaps you should do your homework, Mr. 911 Gatekeeper, before you put your foot in your mouth?
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 1:59 PM   
Current rating: 1

Building seven had gaping holes and fire that burnt uncontrolled.

As far as the pull it, the main tenent of the truthiness movement is that all three buildings were wired. For the Fire officla to know about the wiring in seven assumes that he knew about the rest.

"why many, many Americans are suspicious." actually, no, by their own poles the truthiness movement shows that less then 4% of americans share their opinion.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 30, 2008 2:40 PM   
Current rating: 5

Your first sentence is completely untrue.

The fire in building seven was confined to only a few locations and especially so at 5:00 PM when the building was demolished ("pull it" is a term used by demolition specialists). Building seven "fell" in upon itself in the path of highest resistance, which makes no sense because buildings normally take the path of least resistance under conditions of collapse. The building collapsed at free fall speed in the path of highest resistance. This can only mean one thing: the building was demolished. In order to demolish a building a demolition team must spend weeks preparing the charges and the electronics required to properly control the sequencing of the explosive charges.

Your second paragraph is equally false. There is no evidence that the fire officials knew anything about the "wiring" of the building. It's entirely possible that the fire officials knew nothing until just prior to the alleged controlled demolition.

I have no idea what "polls" you're referring to, so I must assume that you pulled your 4% figure out of thin air. Scipps reports that 1/3 of the American public "suspect 9-11 government conspiracy". According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks.

So, once again I'm forced to conclude that you are intentionally deceiving us.
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RE: Just the facts, dude. Larry Silverstein
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 7:24 PM   
Current rating: 1

The poll I cite was sponsored by the Steve Jones own website and condcuted by Zogby. When asked if the US government caused 9/11 to happen less then 4% of those polled agreed with that statement.

Sliverstwein is not a demolishtion expert, so his use of the term must be put in that context. Additionally, I find it highly suspect that the fire officals would allow additional explostions to go off just yards away from a active rescue site, only being alerted moments before of their placement.

As far as the limited fires, explain these photos
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jul 30, 2008 9:01 AM   
Current rating: 5

Where's your proof the US didn't do it? That's right they got rid of it all in a hurry.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 9:52 AM   
Current rating: 1

But the government has produced scientific evidence as to what happened. The truthiness movement has produced, rumors and statements taken out of context and no physical evidence.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 30, 2008 12:02 PM   
Current rating: 5

You're lying again, Mr. 911 Gatekeeper.

And here's the proof.

Oink.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 1:56 PM   
Current rating: 1

A truthiness website is proof of nothing. These are like the 1% of dentists who say you don't have to brush every day.
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 30, 2008 2:44 PM   
Current rating: 5

If we use your "logic" we can also say the same thing about the bogus Popular Mechanics article you cling to.

Thus, "an article in Popular Mechanics is proof of nothing."
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RE: Should we expect anything less from an ignorant right-winger
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2008 7:17 PM   
Current rating: 1

No, the popular Mechanics article is actually researched, the truthiness websites are based more on faith then any real science. Look at the amount of Scholarly journals that support the Pop Mech. while the truthiness movement had to create their own "journal".
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What "scholarly journals"?
Posted by: zipoka on Jul 31, 2008 7:47 AM   
Current rating: 5

I'm a little late joining this thread, but I'd like to know what "scholarly journals" support the Popular Mechanics "debunk". Having viewed Loose Change, I'm amazed at how many people trying to debunk it have never even seen it. Popular Mechanics is no scholarly journal. I read the "debunk" article, and I don't think they said much of anything convincing.
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RE: What "scholarly journals"?
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 31, 2008 8:34 AM   
Current rating: 1

Go to the website screwloosechange.com, they do a great job, and they use supporting documentatio.

Loose change has had so many holes and re-edits that it is a joke to offer that up as anything more than an college project, that should have earned an F.
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RE: What "scholarly journals"?
Posted by: zipoka on Jul 31, 2008 8:42 AM   
Current rating: 5

I think that website is dead. It's been taken over by a "parker", but I have seen it in the past. It isn't a "scientific journal".
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Posted by Isaac Fitzgerald, AlterNet at 1:00 PM on July 29, 2008.
Watch Oliver Stone's "W." Trailer

2008-07-29

It must have been challenging to find
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 29, 2008 4:43 PM   
Current rating: 4

an actor willing to play America's first retarded president. 

By Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, Rodale Inc. Posted August 1, 2008.
Let's Call 'Sex Tourism' What It Really Is: Slavery

2008-08-01








By Frances Cerra Whittelsey, The Nation. Posted August 6, 2008.
Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

2008-08-06





By Andy Kroll, The Nation. Posted August 8, 2008.
Does GOP Stand for Grampa's Old Politicians?

2008-08-08

Grand Old PEDOPHILES
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM   
Current rating: 5

45 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES


Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
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RE: Grand Old PEDOPHILES (continued)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 8, 2008 12:28 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

45 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES (continued)

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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RE: Grand Old PEDOPHILES
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug  8, 2008  1:49 PM 
Current rating: Not yet rated
	
Have you seen "The Franklin Cover Up"?

This is how corporate America controls the republicans--blackmail.

The Franklin Cover Up Part 1

The Franklin Cover Up Part 2

The Franklin Cover Up Part 3

The Franklin Cover Up Part 4

The Franklin Cover Up Part 5

The Franklin Cover Up Part 6
		

By Gail Collins, The New York Times. Posted August 9, 2008.
John Edwards' Ken Doll Lust

2008-08-09

» RE: At last Edwards exposed for the false, lying deceitful hypocrite he always was Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 10, 2008 2:07 PM
» RE: QUESTION: What has Narcisist Nader done for America since 2000? Answer: NOTHING! Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 10, 2008 2:10 PM
» RE: Illusions Washed Away  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: QUESTION: What has Narcisist Nader done for America since 2000? Answer: NOTHING!  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: QUESTION: What has Narcisist Nader done for America since 2000? Answer: NOTHING! Posted by: lenioui
» RE: QUESTION: What has Narcisist Nader done for America since 2000? Answer: NOTHING! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: At last Edwards exposed for the false, lying deceitful hypocrite he always was  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: At last Edwards exposed for the false, lying deceitful hypocrite he always was Posted by: lenioui
» RE: At last Edwards exposed for the false, lying deceitful hypocrite he always was Posted by: GuitarBill
RE: At last Edwards exposed for the false, lying deceitful hypocrite he always was 
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 10, 2008 2:07 PM   
Current rating: 1

"...faux populists Dennis Kuchinich and Ralph Nader."

They are faux populists.

Kucinich recently brought 35 articles of impeachment against George W, Bush. However, what is never mentioned is that Kucinich immediately voted to table his own resolutions.

Sorry, CatDad, but you can't get more faux populist than that.
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RE: QUESTION: What has Narcisist Nader done for America since 2000? Answer: NOTHING!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 10, 2008 2:10 PM   
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Nader is a faux populist fraud who owns stock in the corporations he rails against.

Sorry, lenioui, but you can't get more faux populist than that. 
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RE: LOL! tell me about it!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 11, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Well, it seems that you're quite adept at attracting real sweethearts.

The distinction between the two is that sociopaths are disorganized and act rashly, whereas the psychopath is strictly organized, secretive and manipulative. Making the psychopath harder to catch since he doesn't leave evidence behind. 
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Gary Hart, he's just another ruling class psychopath
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 11, 2008 9:37 AM   
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And, frankly, that's all you need to know. 
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Let's cut to the chase, shall we?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 11, 2008 8:53 AM   
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"Perot still hasn't forgiven him. In fact, he said recently about McCain dumping his first wife for Cindy, 'McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory.'"

McCain is far worse than a mere "opportunist", he's a psychopath.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, this world run, operated and controlled by psychopaths. 


By Cenk Uygur, Huffington Post. Posted August 11, 2008.
How Is John McCain's Affair Different from John Edwards'?

2008-08-11

Nietzsche told us that psychopaths would rule the world
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 11, 2008 9:09 AM   
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And he called them ubermensch (supermen).

Nietzsche worshiped them and longed for their rise to power.

They are everywhere. For example, who could possibly fire hundreds of people and sleep at night? Who could order an army to kill thousands of innocent civilians (shock and awe) while they eat their sumptuous dinner? Who could sell worthless securities to hapless investors?

Psychopaths, that's who.
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RE: lol
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 11, 2008 9:12 AM   
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Cynical? Have a look in the mirror.

I don't wrestle with pigs. It makes you filthy and the pig loves it.

Have a nice day. 


Posted by Melissa McEwan, Shakesville at 4:03 PM on August 15, 2008.
Gang Bang Beer Ad Denounced by Guinness

2008-08-15






By John Nichols, The Nation. Posted August 23, 2008.
And the Winner Is: Joe Biden.

2008-08-23






Posted by ZP Heller, Brave New Films at 6:36 AM on August 25, 2008.
Anti-War Protesters Have Every Right to Yell "F**k FOX News!"

2008-08-23

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» When you also have protection in the written word such as freedom of the press.... Posted by: Prophit
Idiots
Posted by: EncinoM on Aug 25, 2008 7:13 AM   
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So instead of using an opportunity to address the viewers of Fox News, the protestors just acted out in such a way as to confirm what the viewers of Fox News think they behave like.

The progressive movement is dead in the water. Its children acting out to be heard.
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RE: Idiots
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 25, 2008 8:07 AM   
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You're kidding, right EncinoM?

"So instead of using an opportunity to address the viewers of Fox News..."

Do you honestly believe that the wing nuts, fundies and brainwashed "conservatives" who watch FOX News will be moved by anything the left has to say?

If you honestly believe that, I have a bridge in Arizona did like to sell you.
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RE: Idiots
Posted by: EncinoM on Aug 25, 2008 8:12 AM   
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But acting like school kids only renforces there held beleif about the progressive movement. Acting out, presenting a disorganzed mass of issue and cursing does what, makes the protestors feel better, but outwise fail to put forth any points.

Watch the Penn & Teller Bullshit episode about peace protests, its eye opening.
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RE: Idiots
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 25, 2008 8:48 AM   
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"But acting like school kids only renforces there held beleif about the progressive movement."

Are you trying to suggest that the people who watch Fox News are open minded? That they are somehow open to ideas promulgated by the left?

That's laughable.

There's a very good reason why the protesters refuse to speak to Fox News. The protesters know that Fox News is nothing more than a right wing echo chamber which is impervious to ideas from the left.
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RE: Idiots
Posted by: EncinoM on Aug 25, 2008 8:50 AM   
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So they act and perform like trained monkeys, as the viewers of fox expect. Instead of prsetning a face that challenges the pre-conceived notiond of the view.
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RE: Idiots
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 25, 2008 8:58 AM   
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Personally, I would suggest that the protesters say nothing to Fox News. Simply ignore them. In fact, don't dignify Fox News by responding to their loaded questions. But I have no control over how the protesters behave, so my opinion is largely irrelevant.
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EncinoM is correct on this one. If we're gonna end this war/occuption in Iraq,
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 25, 2008 10:55 AM   
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we need to support Independent pols, media reform instead of the currently RIGGED pro-war version, and stop allowing Democrats to go on Faux Noise and get TRASHED by the rightwing hosts. Besides, Obama consulting that network earlier this year was already a sign that he's tied to the corporate media just like Mccain whereas Nader, Mckinney, etc ... aren't.
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Bob Herbert, The New York Times.
For the Next 10 Weeks, Obama Should Hammer McCain on the Economy

2008-08-23

The 10th Commandment
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's hard earned stuff.
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That's false. You don't know the Ten Commandments. You just make stuff up!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 10:59 AM   
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[1] "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me".

[2] "Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above".

[3] "Do not swear falsely by the name of the Lord".

[4] "Remember [zachor] the Sabbath day and keep it holy".

[5] "Honor your father and your mother".

[6] "Do not murder".

[7] "Do not commit adultery".

[8] "Do not steal".

[9] "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor".

And last but not least, the real 10th commandment, as opposed to the one you made up in service of your greedy right wing ideology.

[10] "Do not covet your neighbor's wife".
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RE: That's false. You don't know the Ten Commandments. You just make stuff up!
Posted by: dangerouslysane on Aug 24, 2008 11:08 AM   
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*g* We commented @ the same time on this one. I focused on the "hard-earned" part.

But #10 on that hit parade--that's a beaut! Shouldn't that apply as much to Republicans as it is applied to prominent Democrats, (even those who are no longer running for the nomination?)

Anyway--the economy would be in better hands with an Obama administration than with McCain.
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RE: That's false. You don't know the Ten Commandments. You just make stuff up!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 11:56 AM   
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This cat, Romans1, is a real piece of work.

He/she is about as "christin" as Anton LeVey the late founder of the Church of Satan.

"But #10 on that hit parade--that's a beaut! Shouldn't that apply as much to Republicans as it is applied to prominent Democrats..."

I'm an not expert on Religion, however, I believe this stuff applies equally to all, as the 10 Commandments, if I'm not mistaken, were written long before the Republican or Democratic Parties came into existence.
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OK here's the direct quote
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM   
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OK here is the quote from Exodus 20.

"17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

satisfied?
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RE: OK here's the direct quote
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:10 PM   
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"...You shall not covet your neighbour’s house...or anything that belongs to your neighbour".

That is redundant, which is why the 10th Commandment is more properly stated as I mentioned above in my list of the 10 Commandments, which I'll quote once again.

"Do not covet your neighbor's wife."

Thus, the 8th Commandment states, "Do not steal", which covers all that you misquoted above.
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RE: OK here's the direct quote
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:17 PM   
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I just quoted the Bible. Are you writing your own version?
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Definition of covet
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:26 PM   
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To covet is not the same as stealing. Stealing is simply taking something that is not yours. Coveting is an internal attitude. It is when you hate and envy a person for having something you don't have. Coveting is when you don't even care if you have the thing as long as that other person doesn't have it. It is when you just assume that a person who has something you do not have simply couldn't have acquired their wealth honestly. It is when you make an unsubstantiated judgement about a person's character because you're envious. It is an ugly and wide spread sin. It is the basis for socialism. In modern politics, covetousness is expressed as the desire to tax the evil rich.
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Wrong. That's your definition. Let's try the dictionary, shall we?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Covet is defined as "to wish for earnestly; to desire; to feel inordinate desire for what belongs to another."

So government redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with coveting another person's belongings or ill-gained wealth. It is a form of charity.

Get your definition's straight for a change. This isn't Alice in Wonderland, where words mean whatever we want them to mean. Words have definitions, which are beyond your self-serving interpretations.
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RE: Wrong. That's your definition. Let's try the dictionary, shall we?
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:35 PM   
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Actually, the definition I explained matches your dictionary quote perfectly.

It is your definition of charity that is flawed.
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RE: Wrong. That's your definition. Let's try the dictionary, shall we?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:49 PM   
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Welfare is defined as "aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need".

Charity is defined as "benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity; generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; an institution engaged in relief of the poor; public provision for the relief of the needy; a gift for public benevolent purposes; lenient judgment of others."

Thus welfare and charity are intimately related. The desire to hold on to one's ill-gotten gains at the expense of the poor is greed and selfishness, and that's something which Jesus opposed.
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RE: Wrong. That's your definition. Let's try the dictionary, shall we?
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 2:24 PM   
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The fact that you assume that everyone's gains are ill-gotten is exactly what coveting is about. Your judgemantalism is what Jesus was talking about when he said "Judge not..."

If you want to GIVE to the poor, like I do, fine. If you want to take from me so YOU can give MY money to the poor, that is not charity. That is socialism.
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RE: Wrong. That's your definition. Let's try the dictionary, shall we?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 3:02 PM   
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My attitude towards great fortunes has nothing to do with covetousness and everything to do with suspicion and hatred for the rich.

I don't covet their wealth, I despise how they gained their filthy lucre.

Big difference.

"If you want to GIVE to the poor, like I do, fine. If you want to take from me so YOU can give MY money to the poor, that is not charity. That is socialism"

But you have no problem with the rich robbing from the poor, do you?

And that's precisely why socialism is necessary.




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RE: coveting thy neighbor's hard earned stuff...
Posted by: dangerouslysane on Aug 24, 2008 11:02 AM   
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McCain didn't earn the stuff. His wife inherited it from her father, who had built his Anheuser-Busche distributorship-I presume through hard work. But neither McCain nor his spouse earned the stuff through hard work, anymore than Cindy worked hard to get the approx. $500 million she shall get when the sale of America's Brand of Beer to a foreign corporation is completed.

Both McCain and his current spouse are children of privilege. McCain has never met a lobbyist he doesn't like, had been involved in the Keating Five scandal, opposed the G.I. Bill, is okay with torture (oh, excuse me--"enhanced interrogation techniques"), even though such a policy would put captured U.S. military personnel at greater risk, especially since world opinion of the U.S. has suffered in the past 7 years.

I'm sure that if I lived as comfortably as McCain does, I'd think the economy was pretty darned good, too--to me & my friends.
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RE: coveting thy neighbor's hard earned stuff...
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 11:56 AM   
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The point is that it is not yours to take.
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RE: coveting thy neighbor's hard earned stuff...
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 11:59 AM   
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The point is that you deliberately misquoted the 10 Commandments in service of your right wing ideology.

Thus, you violated the third commandment when you bore false witness in the name of God.
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RE: coveting thy neighbor's hard earned stuff...
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:04 PM   
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See the above quote, or look it up yourself.
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And you need to learn the true definition of "covet".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:21 PM   
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See my post below.
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And when you re-wrote the 10th Commandment you violated one of the commandments
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 11:12 AM   
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You bore false witness, thus violating the third commandment--you lying right winger.

[3] "Do not swear falsely by the name of the Lord".

Geez, dude, I'm not a Christian and at least I understand this stuff. You on the other hand...what a self-serving putz.
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See the above quote...
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:03 PM   
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or look it up yourself.
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You don't understand the definition of "covet.".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:18 PM   
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Covet is defined as "to wish for earnestly; to desire; to feel inordinate desire for what belongs to another."

So government redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with coveting another person's belongings or ill-gained wealth. It is a form of charity.

Get your definition's straight for a change. This isn't Alice in Wonderland, where words mean whatever we want them to mean. Words have definitions, which are beyond your self-serving interpretations.
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RE: You don't understand the definition of "covet.".
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:33 PM   
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Charity is not when the government TAKES citizens' money.

Charity is when people give to others.

You're the one whose wrong.
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Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 11:33 AM   
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"...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Or are you one of those right wing so-called "christians" who only read the Old Testament and studiously avoid the New Testament?

People like you, Romans1, are the reason why I reject religion. So-called "christians" are, for the most part, hypocrites, snakes and liars.
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:06 PM   
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Jesus said it is hard not impossible. The problem for the rich man isn't that he is rich. It is that he may put his faith in his riches. Read the story of Piere Latourneau sometime.
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 12:24 PM   
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"...The problem for the rich man isn't that he is rich. It is that he may put his faith in his riches."

That's your interpretation, not necessarily Gods interpretation.

If you're going to inform us of God's will, you should quote the bible, not your pastor.
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:37 PM   
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If you would read the entire chapter or the entire book, instead of clipping out a tiny piece, you would not misinterpret God's Word.
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 1:08 PM   
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I've read the entire bible, on several occasions, and it doesn't support your pastor's interpretation.
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 1:39 PM   
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Here's a just a few "clippings". Perhaps you need a reminder of how opposed Jesus was to greed and selfishness.

Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

Luke 12:15: "Then he said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"

James 5:3: "Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days."

Matthew 16:26: "What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?"

Proverbs 23:5: "Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."

Luke 12:13-21: "But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?'This is how it will be with anyone who stores up things for himself but is not rich toward God.'"

Timothy 6:9: "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction."

Luke 4:4: "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'"

Peter 2: "Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind."
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RE: Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, also said this about rich people.
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 2:31 PM   
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But do you have any idea what all of those snippets mean? They are all talking about heart-attitude. Jesus also said,

1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?

5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

That is from Matthew 7. All of the passages you list are meant for each of us to evaluate ourselves, not build a justification for raising taxes. When you have finished examining yourself, (here's a clue, you'll never finish examining yourself) let me know. As soon as you start pointing fingers, you have lost the point of those passages.
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But you're forgetting one thing
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 24, 2008 2:49 PM   
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I don't believe in God, so I feel no guilt when I judge others.

And, yes, I'm very judgmental, and especially so where the rich are concerned.

In fact, I'm partial to Honoré de Balzac myself, who said,

"Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu'il a été proprement fait."

Which translates, "The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed." This is also translated, "Behind every great fortune there is a great crime."
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RE: But you're forgetting one thing
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 24, 2008 2:59 PM   
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OK you are not a believer. And that is really the source of our differences. This has been alot of fun and I hope some day you will encounter Jesus Christ personally.

I'll sign off now.

John 3:3

By Dean Baker, TruthOut.org. Posted August 27, 2008.
The Villains of the Housing Crisis Are Denying All Responsibility

2008-08-27

Alan Greenspunk, the greatest Central Wanker of our time.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 12:18 AM   
Current rating: 5

Clearly, Greenspunk's real objective over his 19-year tenure at the Federal Reserve was to destroy every institution that arose out of the New Deal.

That's what you get when you appoint an uber-right Ayn Rand worshiping nutter to head the Federal Reserve.

Mission accomplished, Mr. Greenspunk. 
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The underwater basket weaving society vs. The anti-underwater basket weaving society.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 8:07 AM   
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"In general, it appears the wealthy elite deliberately keep humanity fighting itself to bring hierachical order to the chaos they create."

If you were an uber-wealthy corporate criminal, would you want the public's attention focused on you? Or would you prefer that the "little people" were at each others throat, fighting over trivial issues while you continued to commit crimes against the people from the shadows?

Every opportunity to create division is exploited by the uber-wealthy corporate criminal class--every opportunity.

Now you understand why we have a left wing and a right wing. Divide and conquer.

Now you understand why we have feminism. Divide and conquer.

For example, if some group of individuals decide that they want to form and underwater basket weaving society, the elite will fund it with a smile, because they know, as sure as night follows day, that an anti-underwater basket weaving society will immediately form in opposition. The anti-underwater basket weaving society will also be funded by the same uber-wealthy corporate criminal elite, usually via their tax exempt foundations.

Divide and conquer.

Do you understand how "the system" works now? 
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Arrongant, aren't you?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 8:53 AM   
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I've read William Greider's "Secrets of the Temple". And the book remains in my library to this day.

I've also studied Federal Reserve law, which can be found at the Fed's web site.

"the shareholders of the Federal Reserve corporation also own significant shares and holdings in most of the biggest banks in the country, like JPMorgan Chase for example."

That's untrue. The shares of the Fed are owned by the money center banks, not individuals, and if you'd studied Fed law, instead of reading Fed conspiracy nonsense, you'd know this. In fact, in order for a bank to become a member of the Federal Reserve System they are required to purchase shares in the Fed--it's the law.

"Who did this? Perhaps someone at the Federal Reserve with knowledge that Bear Stearns was in trouble."

That's very unlikely. It was probably a Bear Streans insider in collusion with a JP Morgan-Chase insider, who had intimate knowledge of the bank's true financial health.

"But go ahead and blame the uber-right. You sound like an uber-left version of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh."

And you sound like a low-IQ version of Father Coughlin.

I'm not a left winger or a right winger. I don't do "the bird". The left right paradigm is for fools of your ilk. I'm not fooled by Hegelian divide and conquer nonsense.

You on the other hand... 
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RE: Do the math
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 AM   
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The libertarian Party is a right wing political party.

In fact, they were formed by former members of the Republican Party who believed that the Republican Party was not right wing enough for their taste.

Ron Paul, a right winger in every sense of the word, for example, is loved by libertarians.

Moreover, Bob Barr, an extreme right wing Republican, is running for president on the Libertarian Party ticket.

"Next time when you post semen and wack off jokes about those you oppose don't be surprised if people think you are offering nothing of substance, because you aren't, just jokes and name calling."

Are you still working on that reading comprehension thing?

The substance of my argument was that the thrust of Greenspunk's 19-year tenure at the Fed was to destroy New Deal institutions. If I choose to pepper the comment with my brand of [cough] humor, that's my prerogative. 
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RE: So you can dish it out, but you can't take it?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 12:36 PM   
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"How was your statement different from them in that regard?"

Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are liars--and bad liars at that.

The difference is that I'm telling the truth, because Greenspunk is an uber-right Ayn Rand worshiping nutter. Greenspunk is also a first-class Owellian obfuscator, which is apparent to anyone who has ever read his writing on Federal Reserve policy or listened to him testify before the Congress. 
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And what was that about "offering nothing of substance"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Hypocrite.

Looks like you just broke your own rule, genius.

Greenspunk is an Ayn Rand worshiper by his own admission.

Moreover, Greenspunk often calculatedly used deceptive, incomprehensible language to hide his intentions and goals. Clearly, you've never read Greenspunk's writing or listened to him testify before the Congress. Had you ever done so, you would know this to be fact.

Let the Greenspeak flow. Here are just a few well know quotes from Dr. Greenspunk:

"I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you've probably misunderstood what I've said."

"Corporate scandals and evidence of fraud and malfeasance notwithstanding, the history of rising standards of living in a world fearful of violence is extraordinary testimony to the resilience of free peoples engaged in commerce."

"Our baseline outlook for the U.S. economy is one of sustained economic growth and contained inflation pressures. In our view, realizing this outcome will require the Federal Reserve to continue to remove monetary accommodation. This generally favorable outlook, however, is attended by some significant uncertainties that warrant careful scrutiny."

"If the currently disturbing drift toward protectionism is contained and markets remain sufficiently flexible, changing terms of trade, interest rates, asset prices, and exchange rates will cause U.S. saving to rise, reducing the need for foreign finance and reversing the trend of the past decade toward increasing reliance on it. If, however, the pernicious drift toward fiscal instability in the United States and elsewhere is not arrested and is compounded by a protectionist reversal of globalization, the adjustment process could be quite painful for the world economy."

"The apparent froth in housing markets may have spilled over into mortgage markets. The dramatic increase in the prevalence of interest-only loans, as well as the introduction of other, more-exotic forms of adjustable-rate mortgages, are developments that bear close scrutiny."

"It has been my experience that competency in mathematics, both in numerical manipulations and in understanding its conceptual foundations, enhances a person's ability to handle the more ambiguous and qualitative relationships that dominate our day-to-day financial decision-making."

If that isn't a world-class obfuscator, I'm Santa Claus. 
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RE: Do we not have the right to life?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 27, 2008 2:18 PM   
Current rating: 5

You have every right to life.

My grandfather lived in Des Moines, Iowa. He had a sixty acre spread near the Wakonda Country Club and he used most of the land to grow his own vegetables, which he used to feed his family. Grandma taught my mother to can vegetables and store them for the winter.

Moreover, they were never prevented from growing their own food. So where you're getting this argument from is a mystery to me and contradicts my own experience. 

By Kimberly Gadette, Women's eNews. Posted August 28, 2008.
The Bikini Car Wash: One Sexist Tradition

2008-08-28

Sex, bad! Killing, good!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 28, 2008 8:11 AM   
Current rating: 4

Americans are the only people on Earth who will plop little Johnny down in front of the idiot box to watch an Arnold Schwarzenegger flick where he kills 500 people in the first 10 minutes of the movie, but will have a heart attack if they find a copy of Playboy Magazine under his bed (shakes head in amazement).

What's even more amazing is that this blatant brain dead duplicity seems to infect both the right and the left (shakes head in amazement again). 


RE: Americans might be the only people you know.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 28, 2008 8:24 AM   
Current rating: 1

I'm impressed. You're about as deep as a puddle of water on the sidewalk.

For your information, Einstein, I am an American. 


By Melinda Brouwer, AlterNet. Posted September 1, 2008.
Five Reasons the World Wants Obama

2008-09-01

» Global Citizens By Gun Point At Times  Posted by: bryangalt
» What went wrong with America? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: What went wrong with America? Posted by: 1gma
» RE: What went wrong with America? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Biden: "Israel should accept 'nuclear' Iran " - Quoted in Today's Israeli Press Posted by: opmoc
» RE: Biden: "Israel should accept 'nuclear' Iran " - Quoted in Today's Israeli Press Posted by: weathered
» Good for Biden! Posted by: foreverhope
» The world would want Nader, not Mccain, not Obama ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Pure Fantasy, The "World" doesn't Know Nader, nor McVain, and Want Obama ... Posted by: gazooks
» Bush may have done plenty of damage but why are you letting Congress go "free" ? Posted by: maxpayne
» The world certainly does not want Nader Posted by: Hans B
» Gore and the Democratic Party are to blame, not Nader. VP LIEberNAZI would have pulled a "Cheney". Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Gore and the Democratic Party are to blame, not Nader. VP LIEberNAZI would have pulled a "Cheney Posted by: Hans B
» RE: Gore and the Democratic Party are to blame, not Nader. VP LIEberNAZI would have pulled a "Cheney Posted by: maxpayne
» No, You do. Posted by: LeaderofMen
» Polls, smolls. The only poll that counts is the one on election day. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: The world would want Nader, not Mccain, not Obama ! Posted by: Johnny Hempseed
» RE: The world would want Nader, not Mccain, not Obama ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: The world would want Nader, not Mccain, not Obama ! Posted by: Johnny Hempseed
» RE: The world would want Nader, not Mccain, not Obama ! Posted by: maxpayne
» Outside of this Country Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Obama is Going To Dissapoint Posted by: Godfather89
» RE: Obama is Going To Dissapoint Posted by: CatDad
» Barr is LINO. Ron Paul is a better Libertarian. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Obama is Going To Dissapoint Posted by: dangerouslysane
» God Damn America #1 Posted by: Obama2008Fan
» RE: God Damn America #1 Posted by: JSquercia
» GOD IS PUNISHING AMERICA AND THE DEMOCRATS FOR ACCEPTING FAKE BULLSHIT AND Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: GOD IS PUNISHING AMERICA AND THE DEMOCRATS? Posted by: foreverhope
» Well? Anything great that's progressed these past 8 yrs? NO ! Posted by: maxpayne
» No doubt Posted by: buzzsaw
» Obama Could Be The World's Last Hope of An American President Bringing Sanity Back To America Posted by: opmoc
» One person as a savior? Posted by: CatDad
» Human History Is Rich In "One person" Changing The Way People Think Posted by: opmoc
» RE: One person as a savior? Posted by: JSquercia
» human history may depend on a change of heart Posted by: foreverhope
» The question that won't go away: Just who is Obama? Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» Just who is Obama? Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Just who is Obama? Posted by: foreverhope
» Just who is Obama? Posted by: foreverhope
» Just who is Obama? Posted by: foreverhope
» Just who is Obama? Naomi Wolf & atty's for the Gitmo detainees know who Obama is Posted by: foreverhope
» I am interested in what you have done, not who you are Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE!!!! Take time to read, you have already made up your mind Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE!!!! Take time to read, you have already made up your mind Posted by: GuitarBill
» You do not read me, I support Obamas candicicy but he has still not done anything beside talk, words Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» Just who is Obama? These military experts know who Obama is and have endorsed him Posted by: foreverhope
» War mongers for Obama. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Obama's military and security advisors Posted by: foreverhope
» No, you can't Posted by: GuitarBill
» Answer Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Answer Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: GuitarBill Posted by: GuitarBill
» If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... Posted by: foreverhope
» Yes, and if it foams at the mouth like a rabid dog... Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oh, I'd say it to your face alright! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright! Posted by: GuitarBill
» I have a question for you, Foreverhope. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I have a question for you, Foreverhope. Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» RE: I have a question for you, Foreverhope. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Would you have voted Libertarian if Ron Paul instead of Bob Barr were running Libertarian ? Posted by: maxpayne
» I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The question that won't go away: Just who is Obama? Posted by: radical53
» Liberals don't read Charles Krauthammer Posted by: GuitarBill
» Are liberals that ignorant? Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: Are liberals that ignorant? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ok, show me an example of Krauthammers lying Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: Ok, show me an example of Krauthammers lying Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: OK, show me an example of Krauthammers lying Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: OK, show me an example of Krauthammers lying Posted by: GuitarBill
» A different view on morals is not lying, morals are not facts Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» RE: A different view on morals is not lying, morals are not facts Posted by: GuitarBill
» I am not partisan but independent Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
What went wrong with America?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 7:11 AM   
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"To me, he has been a painfully embarrassing example of leadership from our country, and I too wondered what the **** had gone wrong with the electorate."

I think Michael Moore said it best when he said, "America, a nation of cowards ruled by fear."

The problem with America is not Bush, Cheney, the Republican Party or Obama for that matter.

America's real problem can be summed up as follows: The 100 million brain dead cowards who walk into the voting booth every four years. 



RE: What went wrong with America?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 1:26 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

If Americans possessed a collective IQ of 100 George Bush would not have received one vote.

I don't know if the voting machines were rigged or not, and I've never read anything that has convinced my one way or the other. I am, however, convinced that the Republicans did use caging lists and other dirty tricks. But that's beside the point, because enough idiots voted for him to get close enough to steal the election. The methods the Republicans employed to steal the election are largely beside the point, in my opinion. 


THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE!!!! Take time to read, you have already made up your mind
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 11:48 AM   
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On January 31, the National Journal released its "2007 Vote Ratings," which ranked Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "the most liberal senator in 2007."

Among the "liberal" positions Obama took to earn the distinction were his votes to implement the bipartisan 9-11 Commission's homeland security recommendations, provide more children with health insurance, permit federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, and maintain a federal minimum wage.

During his first eight years in the Illinois legislature, Obama sponsored more than 820 bills.

* 233 regarding healthcare reform
* 125 on poverty and public assistance
* 112 crime fighting bills
* 97 economic bills
* 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills
* 21 ethics reform bills
* 15 gun control
* 6 veterans affairs and many others
* Many more miscellaneous bills

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills, and co-sponsored another 427.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1,096.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become law, and has introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama sponsored legislation working together with Indiana Republican Senator Richard Lugar, to keep Americans safe by keeping dangerous weapons out of terrorist hands. The two senators also visited the former Soviet Union to inspect the decommissioning of nuclear weapons. Sen. Lugar said of Sen. Obama, “He does have a sense of idealism and principled leadership, a vision of the future.”

As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama succeeded in passing legislation requiring the videotaping of police interrogations, gaining the respect and support not only of fellow legislators but that of the police, who had initially opposed the legislation.

What has he done?”, here are some of Barack Obama’s accomplishments in the US Senate:

1. Sponsored the “Higher Education through Pell Grant Expansion Act”.

2. Co-sponsored the “Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act” proposed by John McCain.

3. Amended the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act” proposed by Arlen Specter.

4. Supported the “Secure Fence Act” to build fences and other security along the Mexican border.

5. Introduced the “Lugar-Obama” initiative expanding a previous initiative to reduce the threat of conventional weapons.

6. Was the primary sponsor of the “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act,” which was signed into law December 22, 2006.

7. The “Coburn-Obama Transparency Act” would create a web site listing all organizations receiving federal funding from 2007 onward. It would provide a breakdown of which agencies gave out funds, what organizations received funds, and what the funds were used for.

8. He joined Russ Feingold in passing a bill to strengthen legislation regulating legigslators’ travel on corporate jets.

9. Along with Charles Schumer he passed a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections including fraudulent flyers and automatic phone calls.

10. Co-sponsored a bill on climate change with John McCain to reduce greenhouse gases by 2/3 by 2050.

An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record.
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RE: THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE!!!! Take time to read, you have already made up your mind
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 11:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

My, you certainly have a selective memory.

You forgot about his support for the FISA bill.

You also forgot about his support for the bankruptcy bill.

You also forgot about his repeated votes to fund Bush's "War on Terror."

How about telling the whole truth, not just the propaganda that supports your alleged argument?
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Just who is Obama? These military experts know who Obama is and have endorsed him
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 10:35 AM   
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Military Endorsements for Barack as Commander and Chief

linked text

* Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army

* Susan Ahn Cuddy, first female gunner officer in the U.S. Navy anddaughter of Korean Independence fighter Ahn Chang-ho

* Tom Daniels, Texas Air National Guard

* Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy

* Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law, Pittsburgh

* Richard D. Hearney, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

* John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

* Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force

* Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States AirForce

* Merrill A. McPeak, former Secretary of the United States AirForce

* John B. Nathman, former Vice Chief of Naval Operations

* F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force

* James Smith, former Deputy Commander, Joint Warfare Center, US Joint Forces Command
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War mongers for Obama.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 11:51 AM   
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Wow! What a compelling reason to vote for Obama (shakes head in utter amazement). 
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Obama's military and security advisors
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 12:15 PM   
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During the lead-up to the war, Obama’s advisors were suspicious of the Bush administration’s claims that Iraq somehow threatened U.S. national security to the extent that it required a U.S. invasion and occupation of that country. For example, Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor in the Carter administration, argued that public support for war “should not be generated by fear-mongering or demagogy.”

Brzezinski warned that the international community would view the invasion of a country that was no threat to the United States as an illegitimate an act of aggression. Noting that it would also threaten America’s leadership, Brzezinski said that “without a respected and legitimate law-enforcer, global security could be in serious jeopardy.”

A key Obama advisor, Joseph Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment, argued that the goal of containing the potential threat from Iraq had been achieved, noting that “Saddam Hussein is effectively incarcerated and under watch by a force that could respond immediately and devastatingly to any aggression. Inside Iraq, the inspection teams preclude any significant advance in WMD capabilities. The status quo is safe for the American people.”


Other Obama advisors, such as Larry Korb, raised concerns about the human and material costs of invading and occupying a heavily populated country in the Middle East and the risks of chaos and a lengthy counter-insurgency war.

Almost every one of Senator Obama’s foreign policy team was opposed to a U.S. invasion. I don't have to agree with everything Barack has done to recognize his over-all leadership abilities are outstanding. He surrounds himself with the best and the brightest even if they disagree with him. Unlike George W and McSame surrounded by the worst and dimmest and the very same repug mentality that have taken our country to the brink of destruction.

There are some who choose to shoot down an extraordinary man like Barack Obama with small thinking and petty attacks. If they think their absurd and low slams are going to deter or distract either Obama or the supporters behind him, then they are gravely mistaken.

Yes we can.
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No, you can't
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 12:21 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

This race will not be decided by rhetoric or policy; this race will be decided by the color of the candidate's skin, whether you like it, or not.

If you honestly believe that racism is no longer an issue in America, you are sadly mistaken.

No, you can't.
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Answer
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 11:05 AM   
Current rating: 1

Question: "Just who is Obama?"

Answer: He's a cult of personality.
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RE: Answer
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 11:30 AM   
Current rating: 1

Living Colour - Cult Of Personality

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
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GuitarBill
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 11:56 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Fuck off douchebag.
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RE: GuitarBill
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 12:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"Fuck off douchebag."

My goodness, you certainly have an impressive vocabulary.

Is this an example of the breadth and depth of your debating skills, or an indication of your level of maturity?

My guess is that you wouldn't say that to my face.
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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 12:20 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I used to tell my kids on the very rare and few occasions I ever swore, "sometimes only certain words fit". That is the case with you and your 'cult personality theory'. I have a few more appropriate names for you rolling around in my head but will let it go at this cause you just ain't worth the bother.
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Yes, and if it foams at the mouth like a rabid dog...
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 12:25 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

More rambling from your empty noggin?

The truth about Obama's cult of personality status must really hurt? Not everyone is fooled by Obama, as you will soon discover.

Do us all a favor, cretin, and wash your mouth out with soap.
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Oh, I'd say it to your face alright!
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 12:56 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

But, unless you really are a total asshole, I seriously doubt you would be so rude, patronizing and condescending about my candidate, my candidate and millions agree with me, not with you. FYI, being a rude, condescending know-it-all isn't a debate, that is just being a rude asshole.

If you were standing in front of me and behaved like an know-it-all asshole I would say exactly the same things to you as I am now, and, even though I am semi-disabled and a somewhat old woman, I would spit in your eye, call you outside and kick your ass around the block. You're really very lucky you aren't right here in front of me actually.
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RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 1:09 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Oh my, I'm shakin' in my boots. LOL.

Is this another example of your towering debating skills?

"But, unless you really are a total asshole, I seriously doubt you would be so rude, patronizing and condescending about my candidate, my candidate and millions agree with me, not with you."

And I see that logic isn't your forte, either.

Because millions agree with you doesn't make you right.

"...that is just being a rude asshole."

You're quite the [cough] "lady", aren't you?

Do you kiss your children with that filthy mouth?
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RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright!
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 1, 2008 1:23 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You're quite the [cough] "lady", aren't you?

You inspire me.
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RE: Oh, I'd say it to your face alright!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 1:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Your children must have had it tough, being raised by a rabid dog and all.

Do give your children my sincere condolence, please.
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I have a question for you, Foreverhope.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 2:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

In the speech delivered by Senator Barack Obama last Thursday night, he called for a guarantee of an affordable college education to every young American "if you commit to serving your community or your country."

It seems clear, to me at least, that Obama is planting the seeds for a new Democratic administration to reestablish the draft and "rebuild our military forces".

Obama also promised to end the Iraq War and move our forces into Afghanistan.

Thus, my question to you is this: When will you enlist to join the military and help your "Commander and Chief" obtain victory in Afghanistan? Can we count on you to encourage your children to enlist as well?
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RE: I have a question for you, Foreverhope.
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Sep 1, 2008 7:13 PM   
Current rating: 5

guitar bill...you are a simpleton of the first order. retreat to your republican hole and sleep off the obvious drunk
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RE: I have a question for you, Foreverhope.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 9:12 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I must admit that I'm impressed by the breadth and depth of your ignorance, er...reply.

Let me guess, you're a Rhodes Scholar.

For your information, genius, I don't drink and I don't do drugs.

Me a "Republican"? No, I'm a member of the Fed Up With American Politics Party.

We don't have conventions. But we do have a good laugh at True Believers, like yourself.

Have fun voting for that cult of personality, Senator Obama.

And I'll have a good laugh in your face when he breaks all his promises and backpedals to the right. I hope Obama's coming betrayal doesn't make you cynical.
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RE: I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 3:27 PM   
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"Liberals in the US are social libertarians but economic authoritarians."

Yeah, that Bill Clinton was a real "economic authoritarian". Especially, when one considers that he signed into law legislation that the right wing could only dream of passing into law. For example, he signed into law Welfare Reform, the Telecommunications Act, NAFTA, GATT, WTO and Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

"US conservatives are social authoritarians and economic libertarians."

Yes, the Republicans are social authoritarians; however, they are anything but "economic libertarians". Fascists is more like it.

"So voting in the US is for me as voting between pest or cholera."

I can't argue with you on that point. :O) 


RE: I am a classic liberal, not a US Libertarian Party supporter
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 4:46 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"Bill Clinton was my kind of liberal."

A wag once said, "Clinton was America's greatest Republican President."

That says it all for me. 


RE: The question that won't go away: Just who is Obama?
Posted by: radical53 on Sep 1, 2008 2:58 PM   
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Who are you kidding? Noone with the attitude you have espoused is going to vote for Obama. So I guess you have succeeded in calling your own veracity into question.
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Liberals don't read Charles Krauthammer
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 3:13 PM   
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they use his right wing propaganda editorial's as toilet paper.
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Are liberals that ignorant?
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Sep 1, 2008 3:31 PM   
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I read from all political spectra. How else are you going to stay informed?

If you only read what strengthens your own worldview, never reads critical or opposing points of view you are no better than a creationist, you are dead right ignorant.

Liberals in my mind were supposed to be open minded and tolerant not bigoted and narrow minded. But when reading posts on Alternet I despair.

Krauthammer is most definitely not a propagandist but he is definitely conservative.
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RE: Are liberals that ignorant?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 3:54 PM   
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Dude, I've been listening to and reading Krauthammer for over two decades.

Krauthammer, the so-called Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist and commentator. is an evil, lying little toad.

He should have stuck to medicine.
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Ok, show me an example of Krauthammers lying
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Sep 1, 2008 4:10 PM   
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If you say so fine, but I prefer proof. Send me a link to an Krauthammer article were you think he is lying and tell me what you consider a lie in that article.

In Obamas acceptance speech he told us that he would only raise taxes for the top 5 % of tax paying families i.e earning more than USD 250 000. The real fact is that he will raise taxes for 20 % of families earning more than USD 118 000. Was that a lie according to your standards?
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RE: Ok, show me an example of Krauthammers lying
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 4:45 PM   
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Krauthammer continued to lie when he excoriated Bill Clinton for the crime of receiving a blowjob in the White House, even after Krauthammer knew that the Judge in the case had struck Clinton's testimony from the case as irrelevant. In other words, Clinton should never have been allowed to answer the questions, because the Judge later struck the testimony. But this fact didn't stop Ol' Charlie.

Krauthammer not only lies, he constantly misleads his audience. And that's only one example.
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RE: OK, show me an example of Krauthammers lying
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Sep 1, 2008 4:59 PM   
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Were is the article or statement you refer to, the link?

Was Krauthammers point a legal one or a moral, ethical point?

I had no issue with Bill Clinton having extramarital affairs.

However to have an affair with

1. an intern, your subordinate
2. to have it in the Oval office whilst acting as commander in chief

was for me was superbly unethical and made Bill Clinton in my eyes unsuitable for holding higher office. A man that cannot postpone his instant craving for gratification should not be holding the most important office of all.

I like Bill Clinton as a person but his personal character is extremely dubious. He and Hillary are so self serving.
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RE: OK, show me an example of Krauthammers lying
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 5:12 PM   
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"Were is the article or statement you refer to, the link?"

Ol' Charlie used to appear on Meet the Press (it's a Sunday morning political TV circus). He made those statements on TV, so I can't provide you with a link.

"Was Krauthammers point a legal one or a moral, ethical point?"

I can't tell what Ol' Charlie's intention's were, but I would assume this was a moral issue.

"I like Bill Clinton as a person but his personal character is extremely dubious. He and Hillary are so self serving."

I agree.
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A different view on morals is not lying, morals are not facts
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Sep 1, 2008 6:20 PM   
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To call Krauthammer a liar because you do not like his views is weak.

Lying is about misrepresenting facts, opinion is having opposing views on morals.

So how do you consider Obamas acceptance speech on his promising to raise taxes only on 5 % when it is fact was 20 %. A lie? Or an opinion? (Source Article"Obamanomics" by NY times writer David Leonhardt)

The problem with the Western world in general and the US in particular is that people no longer can see the difference between a fact and an opinion. The disease of postmodern, post-structural, post-colonial cultural relativism has spread. Their obnoxious catch phrase: "There are no facts only opinions."

F*ck Foucault, Derrida, Said et al!
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RE: A different view on morals is not lying, morals are not facts
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 1, 2008 6:30 PM   
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"Lying is about misrepresenting facts, opinion is having opposing views on morals."

I understand what lying is, thank you very much.

Krauthammer did misrepresent the facts, as I just explained to you. He never mentioned that the Judge struck Clinton's testimony while Krauthammer continued to excoriate Clinton without explaining the facts of the case. Moreover, Krauthammer was well aware that Clinton's testimony was struck from the case (two weeks after the damage was done to Clinton's reputation, but that's another story)

And that, sir, is lying.

This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of misleading his audience.

"So how do you consider Obamas acceptance speech on his promising to raise taxes only on 5 % when it is fact was 20 %. A lie? Or an opinion?"

If what you say is true, and it may very well be true, then it's a lie.
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By AlterNet Staff, AlterNet. Posted September 26, 2008.
Bailout Backlash: Five Surprising Things That Happened on Thursday

2008-09-26

This article misses the point entirely
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 26, 2008 7:19 AM   
Current rating: 4

This article misses the point entirely because the real evil of this proposed "bailout" is not that it helps the degenerate American ruling elite. The real evil of this "bailout" is that it will financially constrain whoever becomes the next president.

The goal of the "bailout" is not to help Wall Street; they are beyond help. The goal is to bankrupt Obama's administration before they ever take office.
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Always remember what J.P. Morgan said,
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 26, 2008 7:33 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"There are two reasons for the things a man does--the good one and the real one." --J.P. Morgan 
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The unmitigated gall.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 26, 2008 4:42 PM   
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"The demorats wouldn't be looking to bankrupt Obama's demorat administration."

And just who was that on the television yesterday urging the congress and the American people to support the president's "bailout" plan? It certainly wasn't a democrat--you're idiotic bullshit and spin notwithstanding.

And just who is the author of the "bailout" plan? It certainly isn't the democrats. The author is Bush and a select group of Republicans.

Given your propensity to lie and spin you have a lot of gall crediting a professor of Mathematics with "half a brain". I could out think you on a bad day, you two-bit, lying one-balled abortion.

Perhaps if you didn't have your lips wrapped so tightly around Bush's pecker you might have a chance to learn the difference between truth and spin. 
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The unmitigated gall - ouch!
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 26, 2008 4:54 PM   
Current rating: 1

Professor of math??? Sorry professor. I wasn't aware I was insulting such a well educated person and a great thinker!

Judging from your responses and vulgar insults to others that I've seen on here I just thought you were some peice of trash that stole a computer and is getting off on porn and insulting intelligent people! Who would have known!

""I could out think you on a bad day, you two-bit, lying one-balled abortion"" wow.. anger management seems to be in order for you my highly educated friend!

So you can out think me? Well, whats been stopping you all this time?
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How about addressing the points I made, genius?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 26, 2008 5:16 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Is that all you have--fact-free spin and sophomoric humor?

Do I think the democrats are stupid enough to fall for Bush and Paulson's swindle?

You're damn right I do.

But you're stupid enough to vote for Bush, so I guess that point is lost on a intellectual midget of your caliber and sterling "character".
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RE: How about addressing the points I made, genius?
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 26, 2008 6:09 PM   
Current rating: 1

Ok professor. I assume this is an essay.

Question - ""And just who was that on the television yesterday urging the congress and the American people to support the president's "bailout" plan?""" Lets see, Chris Dodd, or was that Barney Frank, or George Bush (imagine those guys together drafting a plan) –and Pelosi is worred if the draps in her office look ok so it wasnt her.. I'd say # 1,2 and 3!

Chris Dodd, drafted the plan or the version they thought everyone (demorats that is) would pass.. turned out Bush is as dumb as the dems and would pass anything so long has he doesn’t have to read it all!

Can I also add that Chris Dodd, who has been in the banking committee for years is the highest recipient of money from Fanny and Freddie, and guess who is in the top five. OBAMA! Ouch!

""Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008""

Name Total
1. Dodd, Christopher $133,900
2. Kerry, John $111,000
3. Obama, Barack $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary $75,550
5. Kanjorski, Paul E $65,500

Now to compound this mess, see this bit of research - “But in the same breath, Dodd insisted that he would try to dangle a measure to prevent housing foreclosures from the bill.“ This is what got us into this mess to begin with. King demorat, Billy Clinton thought it would be nice to force those nasty banks to give money away to those who couldn’t afford their own house. The banks complied.. Only problem, is those people couldn’t afford their own house! Now you’re going to buy it for them.. College professors must make a lot of coin.. can you add that up math professor?

Gee, I hope I passed!
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No, you fail.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 26, 2008 7:00 PM   
Current rating: 5

You conveniently forgot to mention Bush's so-called "ownership society", which is the real cause of the present crises, not Clinton's alleged policies.

And, of course, you conveniently forget to mention that the architects of Bush's plan are none other than Henry Paulson who in Section 8 of the Paulson "bailout" proposal reads: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." This sweeping provision utterly strips the courts of any power to review his decisions. Paulson, of course, is a typical big shot Republican who considers himself above review and higher authority.

In contrast, an alternative bailout bill, sponsored by Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, has a very different clause, genius. The Dodd proposal reads: "Any determination by the Secretary with regard to any particular troubled asset pursuant to this Act shall not be set aside unless such determination is found to be arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or not in accordance with the law." In other words, liar, the Treasury secretary's determinations can be challenged on legal grounds.

Big difference, numbnuts.

And, of course, you conveniently forget the role the Federal Reserve's Ben Bernanke, another big money Republican. Bernanke made no reference in his opening remarks before the congress to the regulatory overhaul proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. When asked his opinion on the proposal, he merely called it an "interesting and useful first step."

Both Paulson and Bernanke know full well that involved in the speculative binge that has now collapsed were deceptive and fraudulent practices, combined with reckless risk-taking on an unprecedented scale, which began under George Bush's ill-conceived "ownership society."

So much for your predictable and transparent spin and deception.

Your grade: F.
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Too dumb to realize...
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 28, 2008 5:41 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

what a loser you are..

don't you get it professor... the democrats are going to screw us again.. the fact that they are in bed with Bush on this makes it worse. Free money for all.

Wonder, how many of your students shake their head in disbelief when the walk out of your class? 

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted September 27, 2008.
Mad Dog Palin

2008-09-27

The solution to America's problem is quite simple
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 27, 2008 5:22 PM   
Current rating: 2

The 57 million Americans who are stupid enough to vote for a doddering, senile old fart like McCain or a brain dead cipher like Palin are the root of our problems, and they need to be removed--removed from our country, that is.

Here's my proposal:

Let's give them their own country (or fascist "republic", if you prefer).

All we need to do is round up the 57 million idiots who vote Republican and deport them.

We should give these lunatics their own nation, it's only fair. Thus, I propose that we give them Florida, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi. Next, put a huge security fence around the new fascist "republic" and deport all of the varmints--every last one of them. The penalty for any Republican who attempts to re-enter the United States is death.

We will call their new "fatherland" Fascistan, or my personal favorite, Dumbfuckistan.

Their flag will be a big blue elephant with a big, stinky brown elephant dropping near its hindquarters.

Moreover, their pledge of Allegiance will read as follows:

"I pledge allegiance to flag of the fascist Republic of Dumbfuckistan, and to the fascist republic for which it stands, one nation under stupidity with liberty and justice for none."

All we need to do at that point is redeploy our nuclear weapons to point directly at Dumbfuckistan and be done with them.

Problem solved. 




dumbstan
Posted by: openhouse on Sep 27, 2008 10:01 PM   
Current rating: 2

We'd be happy to have our own country and let you liberals have yours. Then you all could sit around and collect welfare checks from each other- that would work for about one month. And after that the Islamofascists would take over and you'd be all wearing burkhas- even the guys since most of you are effeminate. And your gene pool would dry up (you don't want to bother to raise children) except for the illegal immigrants. But they may not come to your country since there would be no free county hospital healthcare or welfare checks.
And you wouldn't know how to operate or target a nuclear weapon (or any other weapon except your mouth) since the vast majority of the military comes from that portion of the populace that would populate your pariah state. You need us alot more than we need your ilk.
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RE: dumbstan
Posted by: Girl39 on Sep 28, 2008 7:05 AM   
Current rating: 5

Bye bye. Hope there's enough room in Dumbtan for all those double wides.
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Yo! Outhouse.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 28, 2008 8:39 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I prefer to teach by the Socratic method. Thus, I have a few questions for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method


[1] Please define "fascist" (his/her answer should be a hoot).

[2] Please define "Islamofascist" (the answer should prove equally enlightening).

[3] Please explain to us how welfare is now relevant in light of the fact that stealth Republican Bill Clinton ended "welfare as we know it".
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wise man
Posted by: openhouse on Sep 28, 2008 6:34 PM   
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Bill, Thank you for not responding in your usual foul language.
1st, I do not need teaching or instruction from you- your preference for the socratic method indicates a possible career in law or higher academia- generally non-productive professions.
2nd, I prefer Solomon's wisdom to Socrates' wisdom- Prov 14:23 says " All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty." Your preference to engage in dialogue reminds me of the assembly in Athens at the Areopagus described in Acts 17:19-21- you must be an Athenian. Jewish Rabbinical history shows a prior and wiser method of teaching utilizing questions directed towards the hearers.
3rd, you'll have to excuse me while I get back to my real world of work and paying taxes and supporting my family. 

By Noam Chomsky, Democracy Now!. Posted November 28, 2008.
Chomsky: Is There Truth in Obama's Advertising?

2008-11-28

The least you can do is get your fact's straight.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 28, 2008 3:38 PM   
Current rating: 3

"Barack is the first, the very first non-boomer President."

According to Wikipedia Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The Post-World War II baby boom occurred between 1946 to 1964, which makes Obama a certified baby boomer. This is why I don't trust Obamabots; you are not members of the reality-based community.

"He was elected not only by us, but also by our kids."

Wrong again. Chomsky hit the nail on the head when he wrote, "And other respects the outcome was pretty familiar. So once again, the election was essentially bought. 9 out of 10 of the victors outspent their opponents...Obama and McCain were getting the bulk of their financing from the financial institutions and for Obama, law firms which means essentially lobbyists...for those of you who are interested, there's very good scholarly work on this by Tom Ferguson in Umass Boston, what he calls the investment theory of politics. Which argues essentially that elections are moments when groups of investors coalesce and invest to control the state...Actually what happened here is understood by elite elements. The public relations industry which runs elections here -- quadrennial extravaganzas essentially -- makes sure to keep issues in the margins and focus on personalities and character and so on-and-so forth...So, every year, the advertising industry gives a prize to, you know, to the best marketing campaign of the year."

Thus, Chomsky understands who really "elects" the POTUS: The corporate news media.
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RE: The least you can do is get your fact's straight.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 28, 2008 6:47 PM   
Current rating: 2

Obama does not identify himself as a boomer, and has pointed out more than once that his frame of reference is different. That's what counts, not an arbitrary date.

As for the rest of it, I understand Chomsky's statement, and I feel it does not apply in this case.
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RE: The least you can do is get your fact's straight.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 28, 2008 7:18 PM   
Current rating: 3

"Obama does not identify himself as a boomer, and has pointed out more than once that his frame of reference is different. That's what counts, not an arbitrary date."

The Post World War II baby boom was a general demographic phenomenon characterized by a greatly increased birth rate between 1946 and 1964. There is nothing "arbitrary" about this well defined phenomenon, which is determined by birth rate, not "identity". Obama's "frame of reference", moreover, is irrelevant because baby boomers are not a monolith who think, believe and act according to some predefined set of principles.
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RE: The least you can do is get your fact's straight.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 29, 2008 11:22 AM   
Current rating: 2

Age mates generally have a frame of reference that links them.

When Barack says, "When I think of war, I don't think of Viet Nam", and, "One of the things wrong with politics today is that we're still fighting the culture wars of the sixties", he's saying he doesn't identify with the people who DO, and you may call those people whatever name makes you happy--they are still the majority of the US population.

You're just being argumentative and quibbling about a term because you're an ass, and don't have anything to say about the point.
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Considering that you engage in doublethink with abandon
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 29, 2008 1:46 PM   
Current rating: 4

you have a hell of a nerve calling me an ass.
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RE: Would you like to actually talk about the point,
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 29, 2008 7:31 PM   
Current rating: 1

Ass?
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Why? So I can listen to more doublethink? Remember, don't let your mind wander
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 29, 2008 8:39 PM   
Current rating: 3

--it's far too small to be let out on its own 

By Robert Creamer, Blog for Our Future. Posted December 2, 2008.
Clues Obama Won't Govern Center-Right

2008-12-02


Oh,no you wouldn't. Thought McCain was the pres-elect, that is.
Posted by: Beck on Dec 2, 2008 6:00 AM   
Current rating: 3

It's too bad we can't all have a George Bailey moment, that we can't see what McCain would be doing right now. The idea that JOHN MCCAIN and Obama would be identical leaders is baffling to the point of being amusing. Every one of us noticed a big difference when Bush took office. We all know Bush handled 9/11 differently than Gore would have. We know that had Gore or Kerry been in office right now, they wouldn't be ending their presidency by giving away the nation and the environment to corporate rapists. I wonder why this simplistic thinking continues. You are disappointed in Democrats and wish many hadn't voted in certain ways how they voted. Why, though, call apples oranges? Probably had McCain been elected, the first difference would be is he'd be doing little or nothing yet. But he wouldn't make Clinton his Secretary of State. You'd WISH he picked someone that close to center.
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RE: Oh,no you wouldn't. Thought McCain was the pres-elect, that is.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 2, 2008 10:16 AM   
Current rating: 5

"We all know Bush handled 9/11 differently than Gore would have."

You don't "know" anything of the sort.

Isn't is amazing that a person who dislikes speculation with regard to Obama's future presidency has no problem making wild speculation where Al Gore is concerned.

Just a bit of a hypocrite, aren't you?

"We know that had Gore or Kerry been in office right now, they wouldn't be ending their presidency by giving away the nation and the environment to corporate rapists."

Quesion for you, babs. Can you tell me, what is the source of the Kerry fortune? What is the source of Al Gore's fortune? When you've answered that question, please explain to me why, given the source of their fortunes, Kerry and Gore should not be considered "corporate rapists"?

"I wonder why this simplistic thinking continues."

Yeah, tell us all about it, babs.

Do you require instructions to breath, babs?
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Beck, have you ever heard of a guy named Frank Zappa?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 2, 2008 10:35 AM   
Current rating: 5

Tell me, Beck, why did Frank Zappa appear in front of the congress in the mid-1980s?

Can you tell me what Frank Zappa had to say about Al and Tipper Gore at that congressional hearing? 

Posted by Davin Hutchins, American News Project at 3:45 PM on December 2, 2008.
The Election of Obama and the White Supremacist Threat

2008-12-02

Political Assassinations are done from the inside
Posted by: 2dogarage on Dec 3, 2008 9:03 AM   
Current rating: 3

All of the high-profile assassinations of political players in recent history (JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon) were inside jobs, NOT the work of small-minded "haters".

Obama has nothing to fear as long as he keeps to his corporate-sponsored script. The only problem will be if he tries to be a president "of the people, by the people and for the people". Then he's in deep shit and no amount of Secret Service can save him. I think his cabinet selections reveal that he's going to be a good (old) "boy" and play along. 
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RE: Political Assassinations are done from the inside
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM   
Current rating: 2

I just love the conspiracy nuts...John Lennon an inside job, must of been Yoko and Ringo's plan.

JFK was killed by LHO not some figment of your imagination in the grassy knoll.
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Kind of conflicted, aren't you?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 3, 2008 1:21 PM   
Current rating: 3

Let me see if I've got this straight, EncinoM.

You have nothing but contempt for 911 conspiracy theories, but you have no problem believing Arlen Specter's outlandish "magic bullet theory", which was promoted by the deeply flawed Warren Commission.

Oh, never mind. Forgive me if I interrupted your Kool Aid break. 
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Ah, EncinoM, my old friend
Posted by: 2dogarage on Dec 3, 2008 1:27 PM   
Current rating: 4

I really hate to use the Kool-Aid analogy, it seems so disrespectful of the unwitting victims of a real tragedy of believing what the power structure was telling people...

But you, sir or madam, are a perfect candidate for the deep throat tactics of non-survival brainwashing tactics, unless you're a paid troll of course... in which case you know that I speak the truth.

I knew the John Lennon reference would confuse some of you American Idol watchers but a cursory investigation of what John Lennon was communicating would reveal an idealism at complete odds with the power machine of this country, and one that needed to be stopped at any cost to promote the imperialistic big brother agenda of the USA.

You are such a freak on this site EncinoM, you constantly ridicule the educated opinions of the progressive class and yet you remain an irritating and yet hopefully obvious example of the bankrupt acceptance of the ruling class. You're like the Linda Lovelace of totalitarianism, give me more you fucking imperialistic creeps, shove it down my throat, see, I can take it, all the way baby!

My only question is: "What are you wearing"?

Up against the wall and spread 'em, asshole. Stop trolling around on websites that at least pretend to be progressive. Don't you have other things to do like shop at Walmart for those low, low, outsourced labor prices? Aren't there enough opportunities for you to argue technicalities of the law irreverent of their multi-dimensional implications? Or do you just get your kicks by trying to reduce the conversation to the only reality you're personally capable of understanding?

You have proven yourself to be a mono-dimensional thinker against a much more nuanced reality.

Begone troll! If for some unforeseen reason you happen to have an epiphany that allows you access to people who actually think about the broader implications of any given subject then stand your ground, but if not then cede your privilege to comment on matters that you cannot hope to understand.

The world-view has been compromised enough by agents of mono-dimensional ideals like yourself. Repent and see the holograph of existence or perish repudiating it.

Not the 15 minutes of fame you were hoping for but you've probably wasted plenty of people's time telling you to shut the fuck up.

Even at that it's probably more than you could ever wish for. Why don't you just enlist in the armed forces to fight for what you believe in? Believe me, you're expendable, just like the other 4,000 plus that have died defending our government's "might is right" agenda. 

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted December 4, 2008.
Untold Story of Election 2008: The Death of the NRA

2008-12-04

"People" is plural. The Second Amendment does address individual anything.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 4, 2008 2:05 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Close, but no cigar. First of all, opinion is not law. For intent we go not to extra-congressional private opinion, or the biased extra-congressional advertising campaign that was the "Federalist" papers or any other source, but rather to the debates of that which became the Bill of Rights, and Second Amendment, in Congress; the legislative history, which is legal authority.

"Regulated" is only tangentially about "training"; see US Constitution Article I. Section 8, Clause 16, which stipulates that the states' militias will be armed, and trained, etc., in accordance with the "discipline" prescribed by Congress. And in what form does Congress "prescribe"? In the form of Law.

The "Militia Act" is that law; and it includes everything and the kitchen sink, including penalties for those who fail to show for duty.

"Militia acts" had existed since the establishment of the first stable colony, New Plymoth. Exactly as had gun control laws since the advent of guns, primarily to establish security in government and laws--prevent violent overthrow of the civil government--and protect public safety.

So combining the meaning of "well-regulated" (well-trained) with Hamilton's arguments about how a state militia could join forces with a small federal militia to suppress tyranny by any single state, or that the states could resist tyranny by the federal government by combining their militias, we see justification for the legality of registering arms, and limiting the choice of type of weapon.

Sam Adams, as Massachusetts Bay Governor, put it this way: "The military power is always in exact subordination to the Civil Power."

In other words, the Founders/Framers were OPPOSED to armed gangs--even self-appointed "patriots"--running around outside the law and shooting at their government. Don't take my word for it, look up their responses to the pre-Constitutional Shays' rebellion, and the post-Constitution Whiskey rebellion.

The original draft of the Second Amendment states,

"The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."

The final clause--"but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall not be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person"--being the ONLY posited "individual right" debated concerning that which became the Second Amendment; and, having been voted down, the Second Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" anything.
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Now, all you have to do is clone yourself...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 4, 2008 7:58 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

...eight times over and appoint yourself to the supreme court in order to make your idea into law, extra-constitutionally.
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RE: Now, all you have to do is clone yourself...
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 4, 2008 11:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"...extra-constitutionally."

F*** Y**, law illiterate wing-nut.

The first three words of the Constitution are:

WE the PEOPLE, not WE the INDIVIDUAL. WE is PLURAL, and PEOPLE is PLURAL.

Scalia asserts that there is "no doubt" that the Second protects an "individual" right. I showed you directly from the debates, verbatim, the first draft of that which became the Second Amendment; that only one "individual right"--that of CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION--was debated concerning that Amendment; and that that one posited "individual right" was voted down, which obviously means there is at very minimum considerable "doubt" that the Second protects an "individual right".

The bottom line is, again, clear and obvious: you don't know what you're talking about; you're intellectually dishonest; and you ignore standards even the Framers themselves established in law: Congress makes the laws, by majority rule; but if the Executive doesn't sign the "law," it doesn't become law.

Show me, bullshitter, where Congress adopted The Federalist as law (as the lair Scalia would have us believe), and the Executive signed it into law. You can't? Then it isn't law. We do not determine the law by means of that which is not law.

The orginal fraft of the Second Amendment read:

"The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."

Scalia is Full of shit, a hack, and LYING against the clear legislative history. Your a typical intellectually dishonest wing-nut: if you don't like a law, it's "unconstitutional"; if you like a declaration of "law," even if it isn't law, you insist it's the law anyway.

BULLSHIT!

Scalia is wrong, along with everyone else who asserts that "We the PEOPLE" actually means "We the I," or "We the PERSON," or "We the INDIVIDUAL".

Now, tell us, oh wing-nut bullshitter: What difference is made by a Second Amendment which--assuming arguendo--"protects" an individual "right," yet doesn't protect it from the rule of law, as you and your anti-American fuck-ups originally insisted?

And before you answer, READ US Constitution Article I, Section 8., Clause 15 and 16.
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That, dear blood pressure medication advertisement, is what second frafts are there for...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 6, 2008 4:10 PM   
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The orginal fraft of the Second Amendment read:

"The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."

No wonder they edited it to reflect the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms The first fraft is open to some ambiguity!

You admonish people to read the Constitution, and then quote from sources (drafts) that did not pass congress, nor were ratified. Do you require a refresher on the amendment process?

What's next? Pick a few sentences where Hammurabi happens to agree with you as justification for your belief of what the constitution really ought to say?

P.S. In addition to lawyers, the Constitution was witten by no small number of "farmers" (slave-owning bean-counting aristocrats). Your arrogance is the only thing supportive of your opinion that literate people can't understand it. I don't even need 8 more people that go to work in a robe to arrive at that judgment.

Now, have a gin and a Vioxx. The vein in your temple is pulsing grotesquely, red-faced jerk.
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RE: That, dear blood pressure medication advertisement, is what second frafts are there for...
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 6, 2008 4:20 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"You admonish people to read the Constitution, and then quote from sources (drafts) that did not pass congress, nor were ratified. Do you require a refresher on the amendment process?"

Idiot. The original draft of the Second Amendment read, "The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."

The second portion of the Amendment, which reads, "...but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person," was dropped by the Framers of the Constitution during debate.

The first portion of the Amendment, which reads, "The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country", is what we, today, call the Second Amendment.

I included the first draft, verbatim, in order to prove that the only "individual right" debated by the Framers of the Constitution was dropped. Thus, this proves that the Second Amendment doesn't concern itself with "individual" anything--period.

Now, learn to read at a level beyond the 8th grade and you may eventually grasp the meaning of my argument.
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We the people, arrogant mule...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 7, 2008 11:02 PM   
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...refers to more than States or the State.

The right to privacy (to be secure in one's person/home) does not extend to R. Nixon's dirty tapes, no?

Confused child. Consult an 8th grade civics student for clarity.
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What an idiot!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 AM   
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Unlike you, I am not a law-illiterate ideologue stubbornly arguing for extremist sociopathy.

It is a FACT, fool, that the Founders/Framers--even in that "too-radical state of Massachusetts"--REGULATED individual gun ownership, even down to January 1776, prior to composing the "Declaration of Independence," the Continental Congress wrote and published "The Tory Act". In that the Congress wrote, "[I]t is the opinion of this congress that they [i.e., Tories] be disarmed." That the Tories were disarmed is OBVIOUS; there was no counter-"revolution".

Thus, the Founders/Framers were not opposed to gun control, down to and including confiscation--"gun-grabbing".

The states, as indicated, acted on "The Tory Act"; in fact, the Massachusetts-Bay statute referenced as disarming those "disaffected with the revolution".

Subsequently, the Continental Congress composed and published the "Declaration," in which is a catalog of complaints--not law--against George III, this being one of those, "He has effected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power."

Sam Adams, as Massachusetts-Bay Governor, would put it this way, "The military power is always in exact subordination to the Civil Power."

Got it, numbnuts?

The states also enacted statutes, again at the "suggestion" of the Continental Congress, captioned "Test"--which were, in actuality, loyalty oaths. One either SIGNED an oath of loyalty to "the cause," or ALL one's weapons and "implements of war" were confiscated, and given either to the Continental Army, or to the local LEGAL militia.

The states also enacted "impressment" statutes. "Impressment" was a term of art: to "press into service". It meant what we mean today by "draft" or "conscription". It also applied to guns; if you had a gun, but weren't using it to fight the revolution, your gun was confiscated and given to someone who WOULD use it to that end.

As to the notion that the militia consisted of private "patriots" who showed up solely as result of zeal, with their own guns, look up "lists" in the Militia Act/s, and statutes concerning "armory," "public arms," and regulating amount of powder to be maintained by each of the several towns, and how and where the powder was to be stored.

Try real history, numbnuts, not NRA propaganda.
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RE: What an idiot!
Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 AM   
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You've seen the original storage lists? Not just quoting the discredited Bellesiles, I mean.

By the way, being insulting not only doesn't sway one's opponent, but it turns off the very people reading online you're trying to reach. 

Posted by Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet at 7:44 AM on December 5, 2008.
Obama Doesn't Plan to End the Occupation in Iraq

2008-12-05







By Kim Elliott, rabble.ca. Posted December 8, 2008.
Naomi Klein: The Shock Doctrine Got Shot Down in Canada

2008-12-08

"I'm not a Marxist." -- Karl Marx
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 AM   
Current rating: 5

Marx was not a revolutionary. On the contrary, Marx was an economic theorist whose analysis of Capitalism--Das Kapital--remains an unimpeachable source for those who wish to understand--in great detail--the innner-workings of capitalism.

The failed Communism that everybody cites for the record wasn't Marx's Communism it was Valdimir Lenin's Communism--the agrarian peasant population that rebelled in Russia, not the suppressed working class of England--Marx lived in England, not Russia--where those conditions should have started the rebellion predicted by Marx's Communism. In other words, Marx did not live long enough to see his Communism emerge because it remains an untried, theoretical textbook case.
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Marx must be read in context in order to be understood.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 8, 2008 6:55 PM   
Current rating: 5

So, bearing that in mind, it's my opinion that there are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike.

For example, it is widely believed that Marx had nothing but contempt for religion. This assertion is false. Marx's understanding of religion, summed up in a passage from his 1843 Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right states,

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

As you can see, when read in context the statement "is the opium of the people" takes on an entirely different meaning.

Marx argued that the primary social function of religion was to promote solidarity; here Marx sees the social function in terms of political and economic inequality. His sympathy for the "real suffering" of the majority of people is expressed in addition to his desire for "general human emancipation".

My point is this: You must read Marx in context in order to understand his thought. I highly recommend reading Das Kapital to everyone, no matter your political orientation. 
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I'm not a Marxist or a Socialist, but I can tell you
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 8, 2008 11:39 PM   
Current rating: 5

"The wikipedia article on Das Kapital starts off with: 'The central driving force of capitalism, according to Marx, was in the exploitation and alienation of labour'."

That's true; however, Marx also postulated the labor theory of value, not to mention his conception of surplus value and exploitation, which he argued would ultimately lead to a falling rate of profit and the collapse of industrial capitalism. In the view of many economists--not to mention, great thinkers, i.e., Noam Chomsky--this argument has considerable merit given the lessons of the Great Depression.

"The central idea of Capitalism has always been individual rights and freedom (and you cannot have either without the protection of property rights)."

As I recall, the US Constitution, which is the supreme law of the United States, states, "We the People", which is plural, not "We the Individual" or "We the Person". I would argue that the US Constitution has little or nothing to do with individual anything.

"I just don't see what it is that the communist regimes of the present and past century actually got wrong about Marx."

Bear in mind that, as Wikipedia states, "[Marx] was a relatively obscure figure in his own lifetime, his ideas [SIC] began to exert a major influence on workers' movements shortly after his death."

Marxism, as I pointed out previously, did not appear on the horizon of history until well after Marx's death (Marx passed away in 1888). Several hybrids of "communism" usurped Marx's original brand of Marxism™, and they include, but not exclusively, Marxist-Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism, and libertarian Marxism.

The aforementioned "hybrids" of Marxism, in no way, bear any resemblance to Karl Marx's "brand"™ (if you'll pardon the expression) of political, social and economic order. 

By Joseph Stiglitz, Vanity Fair. Posted December 11, 2008.
5 Disastrous Decisions That Got Us into This Economic Mess

2008-12-11

Corporate personhood: Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 AM   
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In 1886, in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that a private corporation is a person and entitled to the legal rights and protections the Constitution affords to any person.

Supreme Court Justice Morrison Remick Waite simply pronounced before the beginning of argument in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that "...The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does...The defendant Corporations are persons within the intent of the clause in section 1 of the Fourteen Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Thus, the doctrine of corporate personhood creates an interesting legal contradiction. The corporation is owned by its shareholders and is therefore their property. Hence, if it is also a legal person, then it is a person owned by others and thus exists in a condition of slavery--a status explicitly forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution.

So is a corporation a person illegally held in servitude by its shareholders?

Or is it a person who enjoys the rights of personhood that take precedence over the presumed ownership rights of its shareholders?

Thus, the owners of a corporation, also known as shareholders, are, when the Orwellian language is stripped away, modern-day slaveholders, who hold innocent corporations in bondage against the corporation's "free will".

[Activate humor module]

Free the Corporations!

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RE: Corporate personhood: Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company
Posted by: crazy carlos on Dec 11, 2008 1:22 PM   
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Bill, interesting streaching of the ole logic button as many Supremes decisions do. My point which I brought up as a follow up above,is how does a 1907 decision not take into account the 1886 case? and remember, the 1907 case was cited in the 1912 case as precedent? Skip bact to my original if you will. Carlos
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The real question is this: How do we "free" the corporations from bondage?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 11, 2008 2:02 PM   
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The real question is this: How do we "free" the corporations from bondage?

The only practical way to "free" corporations from bondage is to compel, by law, slavehol...er, shareholders [cough] to SELL their stocks or face severe penalties for violating the "God given" human "rights" of innocent corporations who "long to be free" from the bondage of slavehol...er, shareholder oppression.

The slavehold...er, shareholders will be compelled, by enactment of law by Congress, to relinquish their ownership of said "legal person", aka "corporations", in the spirit of Lincoln and the Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution.

[Activate humor module]

Hence, the post-modern cry for "freedom" will ring from every stock trading floor, "SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL!"

Thus, any corporation whose stock price reaches zero will be considered to have obtained maximum "freedom"--in the spirit of Lincoln, of course [cough].

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RE: The real question is this: How do we "free" the corporations from bondage?
Posted by: pelican beak on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM   
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Thank you, Guitar Bill, for that explanation.

I've long intuitively seen a connection between the institutions of slavery and corporations. In the one, an actual person is denied personhood. In the other, a fictional entity is granted personhood. it's like we'd rather go far out of our way get the idea "what constitutes a person?" wrong, than right. It's actually a simple, obvious concept. Also curious how the big rise in corporate power began shortly after slavery was abolished.

Both are also excuses for people to treat other people shitty without repercussion. The first was from owning the person. The other was reduced personal liability by doing the shitty treatment from behind the corporate facade.

It's also curious how corporations resemble viruses in their transformations responding to the changing laws of their environment. 


Posted by Paul Armentano, NORML at 1:43 PM on December 12, 2008.
Pot Supporters Bang on Obama's Doors for Drug Reform

2008-12-12

"Will you consider legalizing marijuana..."
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 12, 2008 1:32 PM   
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Yeah sure, uber-drug warrior Joe Biden will be on board for that one [rolls eyes skyward]. 
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The soccer moms would crucify Obama
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 13, 2008 11:26 AM   
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The soccer moms, religious right, law and order types, local district attorneys, police officers, prison guards and garden variety control freaks would crucify Obama if he so much as dared to end Marijuana/Drug Prohibition.

Moreover, the Drug Cartels, who realize enormous profits as the result of continued Drug Prohibition, would instantly begin pulling strings with the bankers who launder their illicit drug profits; the bankers, in turn, would begin to apply pressure, at all levels, to back off on this prohibition reform legislation--to not only the Obama administration, but the Congress, too.

Of course, anything is possible, but ending Drug Prohibition--especially when one considers the profits made from the illicit drug trade--is, at best, not probable. 

Posted by Ben Armbruster, Think Progress at 6:15 AM on December 15, 2008.
Iraqi Journalist Throws His Shoes at Bush During Baghdad Press Conference

2008-12-15

Wow! Did you see Bushit duckin' those shoes?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 15, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Kinda like something you might witness at a penny arcade.

To bad the pitcher was high and outside.

What a waste of a perfectly good pair of shoes (I understand that this practice is Iraqi "custom").

Whatever happened to throwing rotten fruit? 

By Arianna Huffington, Huffington Post. Posted December 15, 2008.
Bernie Madoff's Shady Schemes Should Have Set off Alarms Long Ago

2008-12-15

".and everyone of these posters defending the jews, are jews"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM   
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I'm not Jewish--never have been; never will be.

So, what's your rationalization now? 

Posted by Paul Armentano, NORML at 12:17 PM on December 16, 2008.
Obama's Curious, Curt Response to a Torrent of Pot Legalization Questions

2008-12-16





By Kamala Sarup and Lys Anzia, Women News Network. Posted December 17, 2008.
Virginity for Sale: The Dark World of Forced Teen Prostitution

2008-12-17







By David Sirota, Campaign for America's Future. Posted December 18, 2008.
Did America Get Punk'd on the Bailout?

2008-12-18





By Lee Drutman, Miller-McCune.com. Posted December 19, 2008.
Why the American Flag Inspires Superiority Not Patriotism

2008-12-19








By John Aravosis and Linda Hirshman, Huffington Post. Posted December 20, 2008.
Leaked Obama Transcript Explains Rick Warren Decision (with Draft of Warren's Invocation)

2008-12-20




By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted December 22, 2008.
Rove's IT Guru Warned of Sabotage Before Fatal Plane Crash; Was Set to Testify

2008-12-22

Said Recently Threatened by Karl Rove, Had Been Key Witness in OH '04 Election Fraud Case
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 PM   
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Connell threatened by Karl Rove.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6765

Connell is a "key witness in the King-Lincoln v. Blackwell lawsuit regarding fraud in the 2004 Presidential Election in Ohio. That recently revived, long-standing lawsuit led to Connell's recent deposition on November 3, 2008, the day before this year's general election. According to plaintiff's lead attorney Cliff Arnebeck in July, a tipster had warned that Connell had been threatened by Karl Rove...in an attempt to intimidate him into 'taking the fall' for Ohio election fraud not long after a motion was filed to lift the stay in that case.

"Connell had been memorably described as a 'high IQ Forrest Gump', by the attorneys for the plaintiffs in the Ohio fraud case, for his apparent penchant at the scene of "every single crime" from Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004 to the network firewall on a number of key Congressional committees to the case of the missing White House emails.

"In late September, the federal judge in the Ohio case agreed to lift the stay, and in late October he compelled Connell to give a deposition to plaintiff attorneys on the Monday before the Tuesday general election.

"Connell had been served with a subpoena to appear in the federal courtroom in Ohio at the same College Park, MD airport where his single engine plane reportedly took off from last night, on his final solo flight..." 
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RE: The Power of Rumors
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 22, 2008 3:50 PM   
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The Alternet article the other day about the Greek riots is applicable here.

Without facts, and with the dead body not yet cold, rumors and innuendo have taken the place of hard news reporting. The blogs do not have first hand information, nor are they conducting independent investigations of their own. What they are doing is providing a biased view of the information that they gathered from other sources, offical or not.
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The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 4:44 PM   
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Yeah, yeah, I know.

When theories are proposed that support conclusions unfavorable to the government or the power elite, they're false, obviously biased or the product of deranged "conspiracy theorists".

However, when an outrageous theory is proposed in support of the government/power elite's version of events--the Warren Commission's "Magic Bullet Theory", for example--it's unquestionably true, unbiased and based upon sound reasoning, the "scientific" method (as defined by Popular Mechanics and the pseudo-scientists who write transparent propaganda for NIST, no doubt) and "unimpeachable sources".

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. -- Matthew 7:5, King James Version.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 22, 2008 7:08 PM   
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"When theories are proposed that support conclusions unfavorable to the government or the power elite, they're false, obviously biased or the product of deranged 'conspiracy theorists'", No, when there is no evidence, investigation are to ongoing and reporters who start with a basic fact (witness killed in plane crash) and heap all their paranoia onto it, with out any additional facts, that is a conspiracy theorist.

The link for the "magic Bullet" also provides teh results of a scientific test that shows how unmagically the bullet was.

I'll take the "pseudo-scientist" at the NIST over a professor of Theology, when in comes to matters of physics.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 9:48 PM   
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EncinoM lies, "...I'll take the 'pseudo-scientist' at the NIST over a professor of Theology, when in comes to matters of physics."

Oh really?

The professor of Theology you mention is Dr. Griffin; however, I don't recall mentioning Dr. Griffin, so don't try to smear me by mentioning Dr. Griffin.

If you'll only accept the work of credentialed scientists, why do you reject the work of Dr. Steven Jones (PhD, Physics) and the over 550 credentialed scientists, architects and engineers who make up the AE9111 truth movement?

The truth is that you only support the conclusions of "scientists, architects and engineers" who agree with your interpretation of the events of 911.

You don't give a damn about objective reality--unless, of course, that "objective reality" meets your preconceived prejudices.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 22, 2008 10:30 PM   
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Dr. Steven Jones, who was rebuked by his peers at his former University, is an expert in Nuclear Physics, impressive, but no where related to any science relate to 9/11.

Dr. Griffen, has taken the truthiness lead in attempting to debunk real science.

As for 550 scientists, architects and engineers who make up the AE9111 truth movement, that is less then 1% of the American Scientist. Less then the percentage of dentists who disagree with brushing your teeth everyday. Also, the 550, have not produced a signal peer review article, absent the creation of their own journal.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 11:33 PM   
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EncinoM lies, "Dr. Steven Jones, who was rebuked by his peers at his former University, is an expert in Nuclear Physics, impressive, but no where related to any science relate to 9/11."

Excuse me, EncinoM, but in order to write a PhD dissertation on Nuclear Physics one must be competent in general physics (aka, "Physics for Scientists and Engineers". I know this, because I have attended, and passed, this course of study while at University completing my degree in mathematics), which is the foundation of all science, engineering and architecture (architecture is a branch of mechanical engineering, by the way). Again, you don't know what you're talking about. But, then again, what's new?

"Dr. Griffen, has taken the truthiness lead in attempting to debunk real science."

I didn't bring up "Dr Greffin" (it's "Dr. Griffin", numbnuts), you did, and I never claimed to support his conclusion's, so what's your point?

"As for 550 scientists, architects and engineers who make up the AE9111 truth movement, that is less then 1% of the American Scientist. Less then the percentage of dentists who disagree with brushing your teeth everyday."

Yes, and the number of "scientists, architects and engineers" who wrote the NIST 911 conclusion is far less than 550 individuals.

So what's your point? Or are you just pickin' gnat shit out of pepper again?

The fact is, no matter what the actual truth of 911 might be, that you only support conclusions by "scientists, architects and engineers" who support your preconceived prejudices. If you were open minded--and you are not--you would come to the conclusion that more research must be done in order to understand the events of 11 September 2001.
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You raised an important point . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Dec 23, 2008 7:21 AM   
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. . . and that is, I doubt there are very many humans who allow an "objective reality that does not agree with their preconceived biases."

Welcome to human nature, pal.
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RE: You raised an important point . . .
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 9:54 AM   
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Yes, and reaching a predefined conclusion and working backward to support that conclusion is intellectually dishonest.

Welcome to the scientific method, scatmuncher.
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RE: You raised an important point . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Dec 23, 2008 5:59 PM   
Current rating: 1

Huh?

Do you often respond to compliments with insults?
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: drmflorida on Dec 23, 2008 6:50 AM   
Current rating: 5

I am not a 911 truther, or generally persuaded positively or negatively by conspiracy theories. I think they are indulgences of the powerless, and distractions from the evil that is apparent. For example, its no conspiracy theory that the Iraq War caused the death of over a million Iraqis, or that Bush's incompetence has led to the largest economic collapse since the Great Depression.

Nevertheless, I don't think you become an expert in nuclear physics without developing a significant knowledge of physics in general. The physics that would be related to 911, structural, thermodynamics, etc, should certainly be within the sphere of expertise of Dr. Steven Jones, and it is a fools errand to argue about 911 by proxy of PHDs.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 7:46 AM   
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I am not saying that he has no knowledge of general physics. But both a brain suregon has a general knowledge of the human heart, but that does not make him an expert and able to perform advanced heart surgery.

Dr. Jones, does not have the advance knowledge of the phyics of skyscrappers, the mechanics of explosions and demolitions.

Also, Dr, Jones has abandoned the scientific model, he came up with his conclusion prior to any testing and has selected the evidence to support his findings.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 10:49 AM   
Current rating: 5

"I am not a 911 truther..."

I'm not a 911 truther, either. I don't know what happened that day. All I know is what I saw on TV (and even that "knowledge" is shaky).

The events of 911, however, were never properly investigated. OBL was blamed within 24 hours of the crime. Questionable "confessions" by "bin Laden" were accepted as authentic, while interviews with Arab news sources were made by bin Laden denying his involvement in the events of 911 (which were conveniently ignored by our news media).

"...and distractions from the evil that is apparent".

Yes, the premeditated murder of 3,000 people pales in comparison to a war (the War on Terror) which had not yet occurred--not to mention an economic collapse that didn't occur until 7 years later.

Again, I don't know what happened on 911; however, I don't believe the government's "official" conspiracy theory (and that's precisely what the government's version of 911 is, a conspiracy theory), and I'm convinced that it's an injustice to allow the government's version of events to stand while a proper investigation was never conducted by the Federal and New York law enforcement authorities.

All I'm asking for is a thorough investigation of 911--nothing more; nothing less.
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RE: EncinoM is a time-tested Likudnik and a proven liar
Posted by: channing on Dec 23, 2008 1:26 PM   
Current rating: 4

He only pretends to care one iota of the facts because, of the thousands available to contradict the official fairytale, a large portion directly point to MOSSAD's complicity, even more than our own CIA. "Implicate MOSSAD, implicate Israel: Divert! Divert! Divert!!!" EncinoM is always there doing just that. Just look at his last post flagrantly Lying about Dr. Jones coming to his theory and White Papers prior to research... Proven by a public chronological record of the research itself... it doesn't take 5 minutes to debunk that lie, but like the PNAC Bushits, Cheney/Faith/Libby/Pearl et al, in flooding the airwaves and blogs with so many lies in every breath it's always "catch up" for fact seekers and time-consuming in the process of investigation and Justice.

Stick with the real scientific method GuitarBill and come to your own conclusions, but expect EncinoM and a small battery of other Official Conspiracy Trolls to attack you with an amazing addiction to distraction and factless exploits. EncinoM is either Taibbi himself dressing down his language skills, or, based on the specific breaks in his language skills, really is of the cultural origin that is apparent and can't stand the thought of the consequences to Israel's multi-billion/year welfare-check and DC Access. The traditional, moderate, liberal Jews of this nation are beginning to take seriously the damage that has been caused to them by the extremists of the Likud/PNAC/NeoCons.

Serious stuff at stake.
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RE: ncinoM is a time-tested Likudnik and a proven liar
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 1:52 PM   
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Don't you have a brown shirt meeting to attend.

Dr. Jones own peers at BYU distanced themselves from him and his "research".
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RE: EncinoM is a time-tested Likudnik and a proven liar
Posted by: channing on Dec 23, 2008 2:24 PM   
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FYI, my German grandparents taught me well what the errors of the Nazi's were: Obsessive Power, Obsessive Wealth, Obsessive Megalomania, Obsessive Deception, passive and compliant public lost in the hysteria, like USA under 9/11.

That I attack Likud, a terrorist-extremist irreligious faction of the Israeli government and prominent members of the Bush administration means you know nothing of Hitler, WWII or Fascism. Likud is no more Jewish than Nazi's were Christian.

Go ahead and tell me more lies.

9/11 is a very hot topic politically and professionally, it was made that way by the PNAC-Nazi's and the Likud/AIPACers that assured everyone questioning Adolf Bush was tarred and feathered. I agree many of Jones' co-associates including the Mormon hierarchy connected to the big neocons in this administration "distanced" themselves from Jones' world-changing proofs, but not one of them dared peer-review his White Papers. In science, a failure to produce counter-proofs in the context of ridicule is called politicizing science, the very domain of the Bushits.
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You make some excellent and serious points. Why were all those....
Posted by: Prophit on Dec 27, 2008 8:39 PM   
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... Israeli's who were celebrating the towers going down, not held in custody but rather released in record time??? And without any investigation?

Answer that one will ya? And who emailed the Israeli's in the towers before the attack and warned them to get out?? 9-11 commission never touched on either of htose facts... why?

And why doesn't the FBI list 9-11 on Osama's most wanted sheet as one of his terrorist acts? Not a word about 9-11 any where on the FBI's sheet.... go check it out yourself.
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RE: The Power of Duplicity
Posted by: billslm on Dec 23, 2008 1:58 PM   
Current rating: 4

EncinoM wrote: "Dr. Steven Jones, who was rebuked by his peers at his former University, is an expert in Nuclear Physics, impressive, but no where related to any science relate to 9/11."

I don't know where your head has been at, but when I read that Professor Jones had been terminated at Brigham Young U, I immediately knew that there was a genuine conspiracy. And the powers that be at BYU were in on it.

By showing that the soil sample at Ground Zero contained a chemical residue of a particular substance, a compound not found naturally, which burns through steel like a hot knife through butter, Jones contributed greatly to the incriminating evidence that the government was actually behind the 9/11 WTC event.

In fact, all of the hard evidence produced thus far has been on the side which strongly suggests government conspiracy, and none has come forth which confirms the Official Story. So that, in the face of so much hard evidence, it requires a great leap of faith to still believe the official story. 


RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 9:06 AM   
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If the looney conspiratorists are gifted people, what explains the fact that most of the tin foil crowd are inbred militia members looking over the horizen for the NWO/UN's black helicopters.
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RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 11:13 AM   
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"...what explains the fact that most of the tin foil crowd are inbred militia members looking over the horizen for the NWO/UN's black helicopters."

So, now you're a demographics expert?

Okay, EncinoM, where's your data to support your questionable assertion that states "the tin foil crowd are inbred militia members"?

Data, please.

Put up, or shut up.
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RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Look at the demographics for the Alex Jones Show, 'nuff said.
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RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 12:54 PM   
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Alex Jones is a tool--false opposition. Jones is the libertarian's version of Amy Goodman or Rush Limbaugh (pick your poison).

He's irrelevant.
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RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 1:02 PM   
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He is not irrelevant to many of the ardent truthiness members.

Oh and his views are beyond the fringes of libertarianism. 


RE: I appreciate your intent, BUT sugarcoated lies are still lies
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 8:38 AM   
Current rating: 1

The peace marches did not end the war, it was a calm journalist, for laid teh facts out for the American people. The war ended when Walter Cronkite, said it was unwinable, not when shouting hippies took to the streets. 


Ever heard of "Vietnam Syndrome", EncinoM?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 11:43 AM   
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Wikipedia defines "Vietnam Syndrome" as follows: "...The term Vietnam Syndrome was apparently first coined by Ronald Reagan during his presidential election campaign in 1980...conservatives claimed that in the aftermath of the Vietnam War there was a risk that the public of the United States would oppose all future US military interventions due to the association of war in general with the specific social divisions that emerged between 1968 and 1973 due to the controversy in the US over the Vietnam war...conservative politicians, media pundits and historians also claimed that the Vietnam war could have been won, if only the war effort had not been hampered and curtailed due to the anti-war protests and criticisms in the mass media and the resulting American disengagement from the war..."

It sure sounds to me like Reagan, et al, were convinced that the anti-war movement had a significant influence on the outcome of the Vietnam War--your nonsense notwithstanding.
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RE: ver heard of "Vietnam Syndrome", EncinoM?
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Not at all, it sounds more like in the aftermath of Vietnam, the nation was divided and the American people were unwilling go through that pain again.

"and criticisms in the mass media and the resulting American disengagement from the war..." You failed to highlight this major piece.
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And what did George Herbert Walker Bush have to say about "Vietnam Syndrome"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 12:01 PM   
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"By God, we’ve licked the Vietnam Syndrome." -- George Herbert Walker Bush commenting on what he believed to be one of the chief gains of the Gulf War, in April 1991.

Clearly, as former-president Bush's comment's indicate, the anti-war protests of the sixties and seventies had a significant impact on the outcome of the Vietnam War.

My guess is that the establishment/power elite were far more frightened/threatened by angry, violent anti-war protesters than they were by a newscaster, Walter Cronkite. But I digress...
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RE: And what did George Herbert Walker Bush have to say about "Vietnam Syndrome"?
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 12:07 PM   
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No, it was the newcaster Walter Cronkite that the Americans trusted and listened to. The Hippies were easy to ignore.
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And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 12:29 PM   
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"...The Hippies were easy to ignore."

If "the Hippies were easy to ignore", why did the National Guard gun them down at Kent State and elsewhere?

If "the Hippies were easy to ignore", why did the US government initiate Project MK-ULTRA (Project MK-ULTRA was brought first to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission) against the anti-war movement? Why did the FBI and Office of Naval Intelligence infiltrate the "Hippie movement" in an effort to discredit the anti-war movement?

You have an interesting definition of "ignore"; especially given the governments' extensive (not to mention expensive) efforts to discredit and marginalize the anti-war movement.
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RE: And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 12:35 PM   
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The general population found the hippies easy to ignore and dismiss, as by and large the hippies were priviledged college kids with to little to do and to much free time.
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RE: And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
Posted by: blitzmesser on Dec 27, 2008 1:42 PM   
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... hippies were priviledged college kids with to little to do and to much free time.
You show your ignorance and stupidity at every occasion.
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Sorry, I meant COINTELPRO, not MK-ULTRA.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 12:42 PM   
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Wikipedia defines COINTELPRO as follows: "COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and often illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception, however the formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971..." 


RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 2:32 PM   
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Your memory is faulty, polls sponsored by the truthiness movement, have never showed more then 4% of the country believes that the government caused 9/11.
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RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 3:07 PM   
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EncinoM prevaricates, "Your memory is faulty, polls sponsored by the truthiness movement, have never showed more then 4% of the country believes that the government caused 9/11."

Whose memory is faulty?

Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence.

The article reads in part, "Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

"Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002..."

What were you saying about 4%?
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RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 3:12 PM   
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Hiding something is not the same as government did it.

The 4% comes from a poll conducted by the Scholars for 9/11 truth. The number is the percentage that answered the government did it.
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RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Hell, I don't believe the government was involved, either.

George Bush and Dick Cheney couldn't manage a Popsicle stand®, let alone an intelligence operation.

Could they be accessories after the fact? That's another question entirely. And that's precisely why "28 per cent believe it is lying" is so important.
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Try Zogby, EncinoM.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 3:31 PM   
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"The 4% comes from a poll conducted by the Scholars for 9/11 truth. The number is the percentage that answered the government did it."

Not according to Zogby. Read on...

Zogby poll: 42% of Democrats are either Truthers or Quasi-Truthers.

Official Zogby Poll 2007 Data.

The article reads in part, "...Bottom line: this is precisely the kind of disturbing yield one could expect from such a coordinated and all-out anti-administration blitz. And like it or not, when your party is polling at 42% for the proposition that Bushco either carried out the 911 attacks themselves, or else allowed them to happen so that they could eventually fight an unpopular war, your party has a sickness that needs more than a few booster shots of reality serum."

What was that about 4%?
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RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 23, 2008 3:42 PM   
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Page five of the poll 4.6% believe the government made it happen.
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RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 23, 2008 9:47 PM   
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EncinoM writes, "Page five of the poll 4.6% believe the government made it happen."

Ah yes, however, that's only half the story (I recognize that telling half-truths is your claim to fame).

What the poll actually reveals is that 4.6% of Democrats polled believe in MIHOP [Made it happen on purpose], while 37.4% of Democrats polled believe the government LIHOP [Let it happen on purpose].

Now, you can spin that factoid any way you like, but that's not good news for Madison Avenue™ "perception managers" :P

But I digress...

The real question was asked by channing, when he/she wrote, "How much less of a War Crime is LIH compared to MIH?"

Why don't you answer that question, EncinoM?
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RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 24, 2008 6:22 AM   
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It would be not be a war crime, either way. By definition a government can not commit a war crime against its own citizens.

But that is besides the point. The point, the start of the thread billslm, commented about a poll show 75% support for truthiness madness, whivh is grossly wrong.

Additionally, the questions asked, where typical of question asked in polls when you want to stear the responder to an answer. Thehy are vague and can be interpetted in a number of ways. The only clear question is the MIH, which shows little support for the truthiness camp.
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You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 24, 2008 10:05 AM   
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Here, I'll remove the word "war", fucknut.

"How much less of a Crime is LIH compared to MIH?"

Answer the question, you hair-splitting son-of-a-bitch!
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RE: You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
Posted by: EncinoM on Dec 24, 2008 11:36 AM   
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By let it happen I assume you mean the intentionally sat on their hand. That is that is a crime by failure to perform a duty.

But even for LIH, there is little evidence.

Yes, I like many others believe the Commision report was lacking, not because it failed to find criminal charges, but failed to name names of those officals that were negilgent in performing their jobs. The biggest scandel is that nobody's head rolled for their failure to defend the country. Under the zogby survey, I would fall under the truthiness column.
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RE: You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
Posted by: LetsSaveDemocracy on Dec 25, 2008 2:46 AM   
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EncinoM: " But even for LIH, there is little evidence."

what about Cheney's saying "of course the orders still stand!" what about janet rowley's observation that some one was interfering with their investigation? but LIH is very naive. you know that. it is primarily and perhaps ultimately psychological resistance to seeing this. it is as simple as the law of gravity, or the head shot of the Zapruder film. buildings don't fall symmetrically into a pile of dust in ten seconds unless there are carefully placed very powerful explosives. there are witnesses who have reported people in the weeks prior to the event "rewiring" the towers. skilled witnesses, like fireman who saw and heard and felt the explosions. little evidence? you sould like a looney conspiratorist. what evidence do you have for the Official conspiracy theory. this should be good... 
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By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted December 22, 2008.
Who Wants to Kick a Millionaire?

2008-12-22

No, you're trippin', numbnuts.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 10:34 AM    
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Why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. RE: No, you're trippin', numbnuts. Posted by: bizeeb on Dec 22, 2008 10:49 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated
"numbnuts"? What are you, 5? And 9/11 was an inside job too right? ___ {end} RE: No, you're trippin', numbnuts. Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 11:00 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated
What does 911 have to do with Eliot Spitzer's editorial which appeared in the February 14, 2008 edition of the Washington Post, titled Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime--How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers?
Look at the date the article was published and then check the date of Spitzer's exposure in the media (three weeks) and tell me that the Bush administrations didn't have all the motive necessary to use the FBI against Spitzer?
The fact is, brainless, that if you get your "news" from the US "mainstream" media, you know nothing (other than that which the man wants you to know).
___ {end} RE: No, you're trippin', numbnuts. Posted by: bizeeb on Dec 22, 2008 11:20 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated
So Blagojevich must have pissed off Bush et al somthing fierce. Look, Einstein, I don't read the MSM, and I don't believe everything I'm told, but why exactly are you so enamored with Spitzer? He was a silver spoon lawyer politician, much admired by the mainstream media, and you seem to have bought the hype. By the way, drop the name calling, it's unwarranted. ___ {end} RE: No, you're trippin', numbnuts. Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 11:34 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated
Wikipedia writes, "The Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal began on March 10, 2008..." Eliot Spitzer's article, titled "Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime", appeared in the Washington Post on Thursday, February 14, 2008. On Wednesday, March 12, 2008 the Washington Post wrote an article titled, "FBI Watched Spitzer Before February Incident". Now, why would the Bush administration compel the FBI to investigate the Governor of New York? Could it have anything to do with Eliot Spitzer's editorial, referenced above, which states, "...Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye."? The Bush administration's motive in this sordid episode couldn't be clearer to those who have eyes to see. Nothing there folks; move along... ___ {end} RE: No, you're trippin', numbnuts. (continued) Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 1:05 PM    Current rating: 5 Spitzer became Governor of New York following a record as a relentless State Attorney General who prosecuted financial crimes such as the Enron fraud and corrupt Wall Street investment banks during the 2002 dot com bubble meltdown. As a result, Spitzer made many powerful enemies. He was/is bitterly hated on Wall Street. He had made his political career by prosecuting high-level financial corruption. As Governor of New York, Spitzer had begun making high profile attacks on the complicity of the Bush Administration in covertly arranging bailout of its Wall Street financial friends at the expense of ordinary homeowners and citizens, paid all with taxpayer funds. That said, Spitzer hasn’t been charged with a crime. Prostitution is illegal in most US states; nevertheless, clients of prostitutes are virtually never charged, nor are their names leaked in a case in process. The Spitzer case, moreover, is in the hands of Washington and not state authorities, which proves the clear political nature of Spitzer's political "assassination." The case is clearly political when compared with recent cases involving Republicans. For example, Republican Mark Foley was caught propositioning male interns in Congress; Rudolph Giuliani was discovered cheating on his wife, but no or few Republican calls for resignations were heard. Spitzer became increasingly public in blaming the Bush Administration for the nation’s current financial and economic disaster. Spitzer testified in Washington in February 2008 before the US House of Representatives Financial Services subcommittee on the problems in New York-based specialized insurance companies, known as "monoline" insurers, where he laid blame for the financial crisis on the Bush Administration. Bush ordered both the IRS and the FBI to wiretap (entrap) Spitzer, and thus end his campaign to protect consumers against the predations of both the banks and the Bush administration. ___ {end} You're correct, waterflaws Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 12:00 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated and your suspicion's are justified. Please see the following, which will confirm your suspicion's with regard to the events surrounding the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal: [1] Why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. [2] Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime--How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers, by Eliot Spitzer. [3] FBI Watched Spitzer Before February Incident.

By Lindsay Beyerstein, The Media Consortium. Posted December 24, 2008.
The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much

2008-12-24

RE: I'd eat my gun before living in So Cal
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Seoul Korea for the last 6 months. Tacoma Washington for 3 years before that. Taji Iraq 15 months, Birmingham Alabama for 4 years, Melbourne Florida for 5 years, Long Island NY for 13 years.
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Honky, you're a f****** jarhead
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 24, 2008 12:55 PM   
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That explains it. :P 

By Mark Steel, Independent UK. Posted December 24, 2008.
Why Do People Cling to the Myth of the Nuclear Family?

2008-12-24



By Nergui Manalsuren, IPS News. Posted December 26, 2008.
Sodomy Laws Are Rooted in British Colonialism

2008-12-26

Odds and Sods
Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 26, 2008 11:12 AM   
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"All men are created equal." -- Thomas Jefferson

Contrary to right-wing folklore, Thomas Jefferson did not actually believe "All men are created equal".

Jefferson owned slaves--and at least one slave was known to be the mother of his children.

Fuck Thomas Jefferson and the trailer park-educated crackers who worship him. 

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted December 29, 2008.
Was the 'Credit Crunch' a Myth Used to Sell a Trillion-Dollar Scam?

2008-12-29



By Bill Moyers, Bill Moyers Journal. Posted March 4, 2009.
Zombie Banks Are Devouring Our Public Money with No End in Sight

2009-03-04








Posted by Tana Ganeva, AlterNet at 3:00 PM on March 5, 2009.
Catholic Church Excommunicates Doctors Who Helped 9-Year-Old Rape Victim

2009-03-05









Bring it on, wing-nut. I'll happily debunk your Federal Reserve conspiracy lies.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 6, 2009 9:53 AM   
Current rating: 2

Bring it on, hotshot.
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F@%^ you! Bornbrainless.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 6, 2009 9:50 AM   
Current rating: 3

Listen conspiranoid, I've forgotten more about the FRS than you'll ever know.

I've exposed your lies REPEATEDLY. Not only have I exposed your lies, I've exposed the right-wing, anti-Semitic origin of FRS conpiranoid theory.

You don't fool me, bornbrainless. You're a right winger who spews right-wing, anti-American conpiranoid theories as fact.

Well, I'm calling you on your bullshit, and every time you post your anti-Fed lies YOU CAN COUNT ON ME TO DEBUNK YOU, OR ANY OTHER RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA SPEWING DEGENERATE.

Your lies and bullshit will NOT stand--period. 


By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted March 6, 2009.
Is the Future Going Down the Drain? Baby Boomers Going Bust

2009-03-06

» No, what are you smoking?  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: No, what are you smoking? Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» RE: No, what are you smoking? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: No, what are you smoking? Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» Excuse me, you arrogant little pissant. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Boomers Are Supposed to Still Be Employed Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Just a note Posted by: Cybershaman
» I'm No Slacker Posted by: NoPCZone
» actually, there are 2 phases of baby boomers... Posted by: ellie
» RE: Boomers Are Supposed to Still Be Employed Posted by: MaggieS
» RE: Boomers Are Obsolete Posted by: kettleblack
» Baby Boomers Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» RE: Baby Boomers Posted by: Evelyn
» RE: Baby Boomers Posted by: Evelyn
» RE: Baby Boomers Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Baby Boomers Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Baby Boomers Posted by: reason
» Obama's a Boomer Posted by: Alenna
» Obama is Generation X Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» Sorry, but I'm not falling for it Posted by: GuitarBill
» Sorry but even the US Government Posted by: Alenna
» I'm a Baby Boomer and I'm not a Senior Citizen. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Baby Boomers 1939-1953 Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» RE: Baby Boomers 1946 - 1964 Posted by: GuitarBill
» Baby Boomers 1939-1953 Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» RE: Baby Boomers 1939-1953 Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
RE: uh uh! Is it Boomer-bashing time?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 PM   

AlterNetBlogger writes, "...So many baby boomers are in total denial about the COP OUT their generation has taken part in...There are baby boomers among you who know the truth, and also know that your generation has been fraudulent and phony."

"Who are the hippies? Where the Hell did they come from?" -- Abby Hoffman

The sixties were characterized by counterrevolutionary activity on the part of the United States political establishment. The establishment used the FBI's COINTELPRO for the covert purpose of investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. COINTELPRO, it should be mentioned, used illegal methods to "protect national security, prevent violence, and maintain the existing social and political order." That said, many alleged "hippies" were in fact FBI informants who were used by the power establishment to discredit the anti-War movement. You see, the first anti-War protesters were not "hippies"; they were college professors and their students. The "hippies", with their drugs and free love, either wittingly or unwittingly, were used to discredit the anti-War movement, as Abby Hoffman made very clear. And you know what? It worked--and it worked in spades.

But I digress...

J. Edgar Hoover, then Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), "used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to have amassed secret files on political leaders and to have used illegal methods to collect evidence."

"COP OUT"?

I'd like to see Gen-X or Gen-Y go up against J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI. They'd make minced meat out of you.

"...fraudulent and phony"?

Only in your alternate universe.
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Thanks, Perry. You nailed it.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 6, 2009 8:57 AM   
Current rating: 5

I was born in 1962 so I was too young to participate in the anti-War movement, but I'm old enough to remember that everything you cite in your comment is true.

Thanks, Perry.  


By Steve Brown, AlterNet. Posted March 9, 2009.
Why Did The New York Times Kill This Image of Henry Kissinger? (Not for His Naked Butt Cheeks!)

2009-03-09







By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted March 10, 2009.
Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons? We'll Probably Find Out Soon Enough

2009-03-10

		



RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Mar 10, 2009 9:34 AM   
Current rating: 5

9/11 was an inside job, as was it's cover up.

I too wonder why AlterNet doesn't do stories on it. Are they afraid, think it is foolish, or what?
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 9:57 AM   
Current rating: 2

After seven years no creditable evidence has come forth to support the "inside job" argument.

The Truthiness movement is all hot air.
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: amerimet on Mar 10, 2009 12:16 PM   
Current rating: 5

I don't know, I've seen more believable evidence for the inside job theory, than the widely accepted conspiracy theory.
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 12:19 PM   
Current rating: 1

What evidence, everything the truhtiness movement puts forth has been debunked, as either false, innunedo or rumors.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM   
Current rating: 5

Did not! Did not! Icky-poo on you. So there, nyah-nyah nyah-nyah-nyah.

(I finally decided to respond at a level you could comprehend. I've yet to see Newton's Laws of Motion debunked...)
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM   
Current rating: 1

in what way does a building falling down defy any known laws of physics.

Unless there is an outside force objects tend to fall straight down.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 10, 2009 2:13 PM   
Current rating: 5

Unless there is an outside force objects tend to fall straight down.

Give the man a Kewpie doll! Objects do tend to fall straight down.

Except when there's a building in the way. Then they tend to follow the path of least resistance...

... unless acted upon by an outside force.

Furthermore, they tend to do so at a velocity determined by the acceleration of gravity. Except when there is a building in the way. Then they'll fall down considerably slower...

...unless acted upon by an outside force.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 2:58 PM   
Current rating: 1

The towers didn't fall at free fall speeds, no matter what the basement editing of Loose Change would have you believe.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 10, 2009 4:27 PM   
Current rating: 5

And you worked that out all by your little lonesome, did you? Or are you simply believing what you've been told to believe? kool aid mmm-mmm good.

I'll bet you have no clue what "one-half a tee squared" means, let alone how to apply it. Here's your chance to demonstrate your unappreciated brilliance. Grab a stopwatch, time the tape, and solve for a.

Show your work. I'll wait.

And then we can talk about whether the towers fell over sideways.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 5:00 PM   
Current rating: 1

And fractal algorithms, look pretty, but don't support the theory that 9/11 was an inside job.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 10:20 AM   
Current rating: 5

Out of the mouths of babes...

Your statement is true on its face. Physics don't support the theory that 9/11 was an inside job.

What they do accomplish is to debunk the theory that the towers fell because of airplanes and fires.

Now take out your crayon and connect the dots...
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 11, 2009 2:14 PM   
Current rating: 1

Thanks to Krotos, digging up the published paper (how many Truthiness papers are have been published outside of the movement's journal), the phyics not only blow the inside job theory out the window but prove the fallacy of your free fall argument.

Enjoy the F on your term paper.
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Can I try that question?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 10, 2009 8:08 PM   
Current rating: 5

The term 1/2at^2, gives the displacement of an object starting from rest and moving with uniform acceleration.

Since your term only deals with acceleration (a) and time (t),

a = v(e) - v(i)/t^2

Where v(e) is ending velocity and v(i) is intial velocity.

If distance (d) is given (and in your case it's not) the solution is

a = 2d - 2v(i)t/t^2
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RE: Can I try that question?
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 10:17 AM   
Current rating: 5

Obviously, you're too smart to be a conservative. ;-)

But d is known, it's the height of the tower & you can measure t to good enough accuracy.

I tried it on one tower & got about 31.9 ft/sec^2 (instead of 32.2)

I did, however use only a portion of the tower, since the bottom part was too cloudy & besides by then you're colliding with the debris pile. So, count up the windows & multiply by (uhhh, height of tower divided by number of floors...)

It's close enough for me.
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RE: Can I try that question?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 11, 2009 10:41 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Sorry, I didn't write that very well.

When I mentioned distance (d) I was referring to the term you provided, 1/2at^2. Of course, distance is known, but the term you provide doesn't include distance, so I wasn't sure if you wanted to solve for a in terms of distance or not. Hence, two answers to your question instead of one.

I based my calculation's on

a = Dv / Dt

where a is acceleration, Dv is change in velocity, and Dt is change in time.

My sincere apology for the confusion.
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RE: Can I try that question?
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 12:44 PM   
Current rating: 5

No problem, no confusion - you figured out what I was driving at. Encie, of course, still hasn't gotten it. (Fractals, indeed.)

FWIW: Newton needed to invent calculus to solve that very problem. But today, most people still can't handle algebra - go "figure".
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Krotos on Mar 11, 2009 12:39 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Grab a stopwatch, time the tape, and solve for a.

So how are you calculating the experimental uncertainty in that measurement, and what is it?
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 12:56 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Despite my taunting of the under-educated, all you have to do is watch the tape.

If the singularity was actually accelerating at a rate less than free fall, you should see great big chunks of concrete and steel beams outpacing the dust cloud. THEY aren't constrained by the building underneath them - they are indisputably in free fall. (If you want to bring up aerodynamic drag: be my guest, but show your work)

But then, one might ask why so much dust and so few chunks of concrete.

You don't need a micrometer to determine whether a mouse is taller than an elephant, neither do you need to quibble over experimental uncertainty.

All you have to do is open your eyes.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Krotos on Mar 11, 2009 1:25 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You don't need a micrometer to determine whether a mouse is taller than an elephant, neither do you need to quibble over experimental uncertainty.

Well yeah, you do, if you want to make something resembling a scientific argument. Analyses such as this one predict that the initial collapse would proceed at something close to free-fall at the very beginning of the collapse, while slowing down significantly after about 2 or 3 seconds (i.e., a = a(t) -- see Fig. 7). How big your error bars are determines whether or not you can exclude the progressive-collapse scenario.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: tlv on Mar 11, 2009 7:11 AM   
Current rating: 4

The second tower was hit at a corner. The top began to spiral and fall. The release of energy would have allowed the rest of the tower to remain standing. Instead, the entire thing collapsed straight down into its own footprint even though it had burned for far less time that the first tower, did not have the weight of the top floors on it anymore so nothing to push it down, and the top portion began to DISINTEGRATE in the air well before hitting anything on the ground. There is no scientific or imaginary reason for steel and concrete to disintegrate in the air. The only explanation is explosives.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 11, 2009 7:37 AM   
Current rating: 2

The second tower was hit left of center, the fire still blew out the opposing side. Nor did the top of the tower "DISINTEGRATE", but crumbled as floors impacted on floors below it.

Creative retelling of 9/11 to fit your theory as to what happened never makes the theory correct, just shows how dishonest it is.
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RE: Go Damn, Encie-boy!
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 10:27 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Creative retelling of 9/11 to fit your theory as to what happened never makes the theory correct, just shows how dishonest it is.

Damn, you're on a roll today Encie-boy. That's what? Three correct statements today?

Here's the video showing that tlv's account is correct. (making your account a "creative retelling")

The top of the tower starts to fall and POOF! just disintegrates without being acted on by an outside force.
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: amerimet on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM   
Current rating: 5

Start with David Ray Griffin and Steven E. Jones. They've done some notable research.
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM   
Current rating: 1

You are joking right, a Theology Professor commenting on science and a disgraced Physics Professor.

The only thing they done was found a get rich scheme off of the paranoia of others.
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...has been debunked
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 11, 2009 7:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

The debunkers have been debunked too, EncinoM. I finally took the time to read the entire showdown between Griffin and Taibbi (find it by putting "Griffin Taibbi" in Alternet's own search engine). Griffin's points were far more cogent than Taibbi's wind, and Taibbi didn't even bother with any counterpoint. He just plowed forward with more of his junk.

You falsiness enforcers are the ones in the minority throughout the world.
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RE: ...has been debunked
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 11, 2009 10:30 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Further, Tabbi refused to address the physics of the issue.

Can you imagine either side of the faked moon landing "debate" refusing to address the science behind it?

People can lie, motives can be hidden - but you can't fool mother nature.
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RE: ...has been debunked
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 11, 2009 2:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

But the opinions of a theology professor commenting on phyics is okay.

The truthiness movement has the same relationship with science as does the intelligent design folks.
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...the opinions of a theology professor...
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 12, 2009 6:51 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

And the editors of Popular Mechanics are hack journalists. You don't have to be a chicken to recognize a rotten egg. I'll take inquiry into the truth over your insistence on the official bunk any day, Encino. I somehow think you have a stake in the official story, since you are always there, like a buzzard on a fence, attacking any time anyone questions it. I'll take "truthiness" over your falsiness any time.
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RE: ...the opinions of a theology professor...
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 12, 2009 9:32 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Leaving out Popular Mechanics, you have the researchers and scientists at NIST, Major Universities, leading and respected scientific and engineering journals all debunking the truthiness movement.

But the opinion of the theology professor is worth more then the words of a scientist. I bet you believe in intelligent design also.
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"I bet you believe in intelligent design also."
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 12, 2009 10:02 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

No, or if there is intelligent design, God failed at least on the day he created a persistent, name calling, rethug, anti-truth rethug troll like you.
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RE: "I bet you believe in intelligent design also."
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 12, 2009 5:21 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I am surprised, your attacks on science and the scientific method, blindly following the peaching of a theology professor over that of actual hard scientist, the cherry picking of facts and quotes that support your view and the rejection of all others, you would make a perfect intelligent designer, you should give it a try.
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RE: Go Damn, Alternet!
Posted by: bornxeyed on Mar 10, 2009 7:54 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Do I need to calculate the ballistic tragectory of those large chunks of steel beams and walls embedding in buildings across the street again?

I'd be happy to, but then brunowe would show up and ruin my good mood.

Suffice it to say, anything defying physics requires very little proof it did.
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LOL,,,, sorry Encino, you should not have said "hot air"....
Posted by: Prophit on Mar 15, 2009 2:46 PM   
Current rating: 1

You saying that made me crack up and I can't stop laughing...... its just that you are basically the one with so much I bet you could have blown the towers over by yourself.....LOL

Oh, the imaging of it..... sorry, its just too funny. 


RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 10, 2009 12:50 PM   
Current rating: 5

First orginal 9/11 Truth post in a long time.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 1:39 PM   
Current rating: 1

Not really, cause, the whole post is based on belief in various other conspiracy theories that the tin foil hat crowd holds on to, control of the weather, man made earthquakes, EM fields controlling mobs of people.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: aonghus36 on Mar 10, 2009 2:13 PM   
Current rating: 5

But, if extreme possibilities are never considered, then people's minds may stay in the usual boxes that they're often in. I find the HAARP theory highly plausible, because our government and their corporate handlers, have often demonstrated their greed and desire for control at all cost. If you are skeptical of the Nikola Tesla theory, then why don't you try to get his classified papers released using the Freedom of Information Act?
I think that would be highly preferable to trying to humiliate people for thinking outside the box by calling them "tinfoil hat wearers" or changing the subject to 9/11, when the topic was about Earthquakes as weapons.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM   
Current rating: 1

Actually, I didn't change the subject the orginal posted brought up 9/11 and the truthiness madness.

Tesla was a man who proved the point that there is a fine line that seperates madness from genius.

The rest is of the theories you and others in teh tin foil hat crowd propose, are not based on science or evidence, not even suspision but paranoia.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: aonghus36 on Mar 11, 2009 8:42 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

That is ridculous. The only thing you are capable of is name-calling. Mountains of evidence has been shown by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, but you won't have any of it. False flag attacks have been a "proud" tradition of governments when they want a war for since "forever", and people are waking up to it. You might as well get used to it.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 11, 2009 2:04 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

There is not mountains of evidence, there is opinions of individuals who viewed a video tape or otherwise had their statements taken out of context.
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RE: 10 out of 5
Posted by: bornxeyed on Mar 10, 2009 8:02 PM   
Current rating: 5

I didn't say I believed in them, although unlike the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, these effects are physically possible and there'seven theory to support it.

The statement was rhetorical, implying Alternet's belief in there present practicability - hence the article's mention of HAARP in this context - while denying vehemently not only that the WTC was intentionally destroyed but it was even possible to do so.

Ironically, if the implications of HAARP are true, it could have been used to demolish the WTC.

Now, back to the tarpits for you.

Posted by Nicholas Graham, Huffington Post at 10:55 AM on March 11, 2009.
Jon Stewart's Smackdown Continues: Slams Cramer (Again), Whole NBC Family

2009-03-11








By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted March 14, 2009.
Why Do People Listen to Rush Limbaugh?

2009-03-14

» You forgot to mention that Father Coughlin was a raving anti-Federal Reserve conspiranoid.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» What's your point? Posted by: ReallyBearish
» The sins omission Posted by: GuitarBill
» Idiot, it's still an ad hominem argument Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Like you, Peter Schiff is a right-wing numskull with an agenda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Learn what an ad hominem argument is Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Learn what an ad hominem argument is Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Learn what an ad hominem argument is Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Learn when an ad hom argument is a fallacy. Posted by: Longdream
» A list of domestic anti-Semites who spearheaded the anti-Fed conspiranoid milieu. Posted by: GuitarBill
» A list of domestic anti-Semites who spearheaded the anti-Fed conspiranoid milieu. Posted by: GuitarBill
» A list of domestic anti-Semites who spearheaded the anti-Fed conspiranoid milieu. Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're so far off topic I can't figure out what the hell your point is Posted by: bizeeb
» Well, in case you're wondering, genius Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Well, in case you're wondering, genius Posted by: bizeeb
» RE: This isn't new Posted by: aichbe
» morally grounded Posted by: YogiBear
» RE:Don't leave us in suspense, explain how liberals do Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: Don't leave us in suspense, explain how liberals do Posted by: bizeeb
» RE: Don't leave us in suspense, explain how liberals do Posted by: Beck
» Oh please. Democrats are too nice to their ABUSIVE spouse, the GOP ! Posted by: superfeduphoosier
» So if Beck's a feminist, then why support a party that continues anti-feminism as shown here? Posted by: superfeduphoosier
» Thanks for pointing out damaging evidence of sheer hypocrisy. And all this despite Pelosi being the Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» That's right ! And as long as men are left out, GOD will punish us with more Limbaugh hell ! Posted by: superfeduphoosier
» RE: morally grounded Posted by: isnamthere
» Why? Because they like him! Posted by: blackdog
» Why Do People Listen to Rush Limbaugh? Posted by: monkeywrench
» RE: Why Do People Listen to Rush Limbaugh? Posted by: bizeeb
» RE: Why Do People Listen to Rush Limbaugh? Posted by: JenniferBedingfield

By Garrett Zehr, The Tyee. Posted March 17, 2009.
Bush Visits Canada: Will He Be Arrested for War Crimes?

2009-03-17








If you planned to "slip the knife" into a sidewinder like Bushit, would you get in his face?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 12:20 PM   
Current rating: 5

If you planned to "slip the knife" into a sidewinder like Bushit, would you get in his face?

I don't know about you, but I would not advise that particular approach.

So, what's President Obama done so far?

He restored the old rules and regulations for Freedom Of Information Act requests, which effectively reverses the Bushit administration's secretive and restrictive FOIA policy.

Now, I don't know about you, but if I wanted to go after Bushit, that's exactly what I'd do.

Just think of all the human rights lawyers and investigative journalists who'd love to get a piece of the Bushit administration.

Good luck, Bushit; you're going to need it.

:P 

I'll bet a calculator sends your head spinning.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009  2:41 PM    
Current rating: 5
The population of the United States is 305,186,613. The number of people who voted for Bushit in 2004 was 62,040,610 part/whole * 100 = % thus, 62,040,610/305,186,613 * 100 = 20.32% Since when does 20.32% equal half the US population? Oh, I understand, you're using Limbaughtonian "mathematics". :P

By G. Pascal Zachary, AlterNet. Posted March 17, 2009.
Chimps R Us: How Much Longer Are We Going to Keep Our Cousins as Pets?

2009-03-17

Keeping 'em as pets?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5

Don't you mean why do we elect them president?

(You realize, don't you, that America was ruled by chimps from 1968 to 2008.) 


Now now now..
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 17, 2009 8:28 AM   
Current rating: 1

you're being racist..we're not allowed to mention the word chimp while Obama is president!
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Can you read, Pointy? I didn't call Obama a chimp
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 AM   
Current rating: 5

I called Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and GW Bushit chimps.

You'll recall, Pointy, that Barack Obama took office in January 2009, not 2008.
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RE: Can you read, Pointy? I didn't call Obama a chimp
Posted by: progunprogressive on Mar 17, 2009 1:23 PM   
Current rating: 1

So it's ok to call a white man any slur you can think of, but if the corrupt dumbass politician happens to be a black man you can't use those exact same words to characterize him? For example, we refer to Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW as "Chimps" because we believe a primate with his limited brain power could have made better decisions. Yet if I were to call Obama a "chimp", I would be called a racist because in this case everyone would assume I was insinuating that blacks are inferior to whites when the reality is I called him a chimp for the same reasons I call the above white men a chimp.
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Well, perhaps you believe that Obama's a "corrupt dumbass politician"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 1:42 PM   
Current rating: 5

but, so far, I think he's doing a decent job, for a Democrat.

In fact, he's done a very good job of proving me wrong about him.

If he proves to be a bad president (a "chimp", if you will, and contrary to your opinion, the title is not racially motivated) I'll be the first to admit it.

Oh, and for your information, genius, I didn't bring up the subject of race, Pointy did. So, why don't you direct your question to Pointy?

Or do you have an axe to grind with me, which explains why you resorted to that chicken-shit, one-paragraph straw man argument to attack me for something which I never said?

Allow me to give you a clue, Sherlock: Don't f*ck with me, because you aren't smart enough, microcephalic midget. Got it?.

And by the way, "progunprogressive" (whatever the Hell that is), don't let your mind wander; it's much too small to be let out on its own.
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RE: Well, perhaps you believe that Obama's a "corrupt dumbass politician"
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 17, 2009 6:28 PM   
Current rating: 1

""Don't f*ck with me, because you aren't smart enough, microcephalic midget. Got it?."".

Too funny.. a chimp with an attitude! Let me give you an aptitude test. What side do you peal a banana on first.
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RE: Well, perhaps you believe that Obama's a "corrupt dumbass politician"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 7:14 PM   
Current rating: 5

If there's one thing I've learned from you, Pointy, it's this: Never argue with an idiot. They pull you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

:P
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RE: Well, perhaps you believe that Obama's a "corrupt dumbass politician"
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 18, 2009 8:33 AM   
Current rating: 1

How true professor, evidenced by your comical threat of how mentally superior you are to the rest of the world. I'm hoping you dont expect everyone else to hold your view of your self importance.
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Wake up!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 17, 2009 6:24 PM   
Current rating: 1

Your post dont usually say much but I do read them from time to time. You really aren't the fast on the uptake, for a professor... you haven't been keeping up with the threads lately.. Yes how can we forget when the "ONE" took office.

You are not allowed to mention the word chimp in political context while Obama is president, EVEN if you are not directly referring to him! It's racist.
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RE: Wake up!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 17, 2009 7:10 PM   
Current rating: 5

Pointy writes, "...You are not allowed to mention the word chimp in political context while Obama is president."

Show me the law, Pointy.

Can't?

Then you're full of ....
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RE: Wake up!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 18, 2009 8:37 AM   
Current rating: 1

It amazes me how a "smart" person as yourself missed the satirical reference. Did you not see the article on here regarding the NY Post Chimp comic?

Did you not read the high volume of posts suggesting how it was racist even though it never mentioned Obama and actually referred to those that wrote the stim plan - Pelosi and Reid?

A smart guy such as yourself? Come on now! You can add 1 and 1 cant you.. I mean a chimp can do that! 

Posted by Melina Ripcoco, Brilliant at Breakfast at 3:39 PM on March 19, 2009.
Was Eliot Spitzer Taken Out Because He Was Going to Bust AIG?

2009-03-19

» Goldman Sachs are also big "inside players" of banks that own the Federal Reserve....  Posted by: Prophit
» You're a liar, "prophit". Who really owns JPMorgan Chase and State Street Corp? Posted by: GuitarBill
» What are you, the official mouthpiece for the bankers???? It appears so. Posted by: Prophit
» I'm not trying to fool anyone, "prophit". Posted by: GuitarBill
» I gave you links to what I said and I stand by them... your propoganda isn't working. Posted by: Prophit
» So where's your proof of foreign ownership? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I'm not trying to fool anyone, "prophit". Posted by: lively56
» RE: I'm not trying to fool anyone, "prophit". Posted by: GuitarBill
» No, Prophit, you idiotic b@#$h, you need medication . . . Posted by: Scientz
» You're a liar, "Prophit". Goldman Sachs does not own Federal Reserve Stock. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Corporate Interlocking Directorates are not illegal and not a "conflict of interest". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Debunking "prophit". Is Goldman Sach owned by foreigners? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your source is GOLDMAN SACHS???? hahahahahaha I must have really hit a nerve... Posted by: Prophit
» Tim Geithner was not appointed to the NYFR by Goldman Sachs. And he never worked for GS. Posted by: GuitarBill
» And my source isn't Goldman Sachs, idiot, it Yahoo finance. Posted by: GuitarBill

By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009.
Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder

2009-03-21








Seek psychiatric intervention, squirrel-bait
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 22, 2009 12:04 AM   
Current rating: 3

Paranoia Agent, Symptom, Cause, Treatment and Medication of Paranoia.

Specifically, you suffer from Type 1, Type 2 and Type 3 Paranoia (Conspiranoia):

[1] Persecutory paranoia -- This is the most prevalent type of paranoia, and in this patient makes himself believe that all those around him are his enemies, bent on harming him or even taking his life. In this delusion people of an aggressive temperament often turns dangerous killers;

[2] Delusion of Grandeur -- In this patient believes himself to be, a great individual, and according to Bleuler, this delusion of grandeur accompanies a persecutory delusion;

[3] Reformatory paranoia -- In this the patient turns to considering himself a great reformer. He accordingly looks upon all those around him. As suffering from dangerous disease, and believes that he is their reformer and curator.

You're pitiful, "prophit".

Again, seek psychiatric intervention.
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"prophit", didn't you claim that Timothy Geithner worked for Goldman Sachs?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 22, 2009 9:29 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Yet, Geithner's resume makes no mention of Goldman Sachs. Thus, you make up your "facts" out of thin air.

Didn't you also claim that "Chase Manhattan Bank" with the help of "...the Rothschilds heavily financed John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil by helping him in 1911 to establish prominence of his Chase Manhattan Bank of NY through acquiring the huge Equitable Trust. Chase Manhattan Bank is now one of the co-owners of the Rothschild-controlled Federal Reserve Bank"?

But that assertion's (heavy emphasis on ass) not true, either, because the Chase Manhattan Bank was formed by a merger of The Bank of Manhattan Company and The Chase National Bank in 1955. Thus, the "Chase Manhattan Bank" didn't exist in 1911 as you claim. So, there's another "fact" you made up without regard to the truth.

The fact is that you make things up without checking your "facts". When your "facts" are debunked, you accuse the person who debunked your "facts" of being part of "the conspiracy"--which is typical of a conspiranoid.

So, where's your proof?

Prove that Timothy Geithner worked for Goldman Sachs.

Prove that the Chase Manhattan bank existed in 1911.

Prove that "the Rothschilds" own the Federal Reserve.

Can't?

Then you're full of .... 




Prove it. Where do I "defend Zionists" and "the official story on 9/11"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 22, 2009 12:38 AM   
Current rating: 5

There's a big difference between the defense of Zionists and debunking Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories.

Care to debunk anything I've said about the anti-Semitic origins of FRS conspiranoid theories?

Allegations aren't proof.

Where's your proof?

Put up, or shut up.
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So. . . you don't believe the official story on 9/11 . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 22, 2009 6:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

If that is the case, then I owe you an apology.
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I don't want your apology, twit. Where's your proof?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 22, 2009 8:25 AM   
Current rating: 5

Otherwise, put a sock in it, conspiranoid.
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Why don't you just post another identity theft link . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 22, 2009 9:01 AM   
Current rating: 1

so you can pretend to be a good guy and expose it.

I'm on to you, dimwit.
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Why don't you click on the "Privacy Center" link, genius.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 22, 2009 9:09 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

That should fix your problem.
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RE: Why don't you click on the "Privacy Center" link, genius.
Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 22, 2009 11:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You are the last person I would want to give access to my computer. 


By Naomi Wolf, AlterNet. Posted March 25, 2009.
Do the Secret Bush Memos Amount to Treason? Top Constitutional Scholar Says Yes

2009-03-25

» What makes anyone think it was a failed coup?  Posted by: dustdevil
» "Israel's control over our legislature has allowed this to happen." Posted by: GuitarBill
» Bill, by now everyone knows you are a Neocon . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» dustdevil, by now everyone knows you're a right-wing anti-Semite Posted by: GuitarBill
» This time, TrollBill, you are caught in your blatant lies. Posted by: dustdevil
» No, you cherry piked my comments. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hard to lie your way out of this one . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» I did my own research and came to my own conclusions. Posted by: GuitarBill
» When the lies start flowing, they just don't stop . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» No, you claim I lie, but you've proven nothing. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The lies and obfuscation keep coming . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» No your ignorance just keeps coming and coming. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Still working on that reading comprehension thing, Einstein? Posted by: GuitarBill
» So, what has 911 "truth" given us? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Going for the Alternet straw king title, eh GB? Posted by: LeftWright
» Going for the Alternet distraction title, LeftWright? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oh, and one more issue I'd like to address,"LeftWright". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Hard to lie your way out of this one . . . Posted by: EncinoM
» LOL! ROTFLMAO! Posted by: GuitarBill
» EM, let's give more credit than that, okay? :P Posted by: GuitarBill
» That would be better than emptying . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» As opposed to what? Posted by: GuitarBill
» That would be better than emptying . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Jump right in and try to rescue your fellow troll . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» The only "troll" around here is you, dirtdigger. Posted by: GuitarBill
» This is the way our exchanges always end . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: Aquinas
» Oh, I lied? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The coup was a success, many, many years ago Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: The coup was a success, many, many years ago Posted by: inanaturallight
» RE: The coup was a success, many, many years ago Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: The coup was a success, many, many years ago Posted by: inanaturallight
» RE: The coup was a success, many, many years ago Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Before there was treason, these was civil war Posted by: kaelieh
» Come on, Naomi...how can you be "shocked" by these memos, but not by the lies of 9/11??? Posted by: pfgetty
» No one's emailing you because you aren't worth it Posted by: brunowe
» Thanks for the correction! Posted by: pfgetty
» Utter incompetence at best Posted by: nikolai
» RE: brunowe's use of hate, "you aren't worth it", shows us how he feels about America Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Still bringing the crazy? Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Still bringing the crazy? Posted by: nikolai
» As of today there are over 620 architects and engineers calling for a new investigation Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Well said Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: As of today there are over 620 architects and engineers calling for a new investigation Posted by: EncinoM
» EncinoM - Try these: Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: ncinoM - Try these: Posted by: brunowe
» Unable to dispute the message, you have to resort to disparaging the messenger Posted by: LeftWright
» If you use the term "peer-reviewed", then I get to call you... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: ncinoM - Try these: Posted by: EncinoM
"Israel's control over our legislature has allowed this to happen."
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 11:24 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Rant, spit, rant, slobber, slobber.

Israel controls the US Congress?

Prove it, fruitloops. 
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dustdevil, by now everyone knows you're a right-wing anti-Semite
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009  2:17 PM    
Current rating: 4
Actually, I'm a Democrat. I registered as a Democrat at age 18 and have always voted for same. Furthermore, I don't defend the official story of 911, as you lie. Idiot writes, "...How many of the United Nations resolutions against Israel (101 of them at present) has our Congress backed? How many of them has our Congress vetoed?" Another display of the breadth and depth of your ignorance? Our Congress has no control over the UN--you ass. The Congress can condemn UN resolutions until they're blue in the face and it has no affect on the legality of the UN resolution. Try reality, neo-Nazi. ___ {end} This time, TrollBill, you are caught in your blatant lies. Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 3:34 PM    Current rating: 3 This is one of your posts on the recent Matt Taibbi article. Do you deny posting this? You can call me and others you disagree with right wing anti-Semites, but the majority of Alternet readers know you as a liar. ___ {end} At one time I thought 911 Truth had merit. No longer. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 23, 2009 3:35 PM Current rating: 1 [1] 75% of the WTC Tower's weight was in the first 15 floors. [2] The WTC Towers escape stairwells were NOT designed to withstand a hit by an airliner; thus; condemning EVERYONE above the airliner's point of entry to death by fire or asphyxiation. [3] The WTC Towers were NOT built to New York City building code, which is perhaps the most stringent building code in the World. On the contrary, the WTC Towers were built on NYC Port Authority property; thus, the TWC Towers were NOT subject to NYC building code. [4] And, finally, the most pernicious lie of all: The WTC Towers were built to withstand an impact with a Boeing 707. This assertion is pure rubbish. The steel built into the upper floors of the WTC was less than 1/3 of an inch thick and the superstructure itself was built from substandard steel, which doomed the building to collapse. After looking at the design of the Towers, it's clear to me that, in terms of structural design, the twin towers departed completely from other high-rise buildings. The vast majority of skyscrapers, since the 19th century, have been built with a skeleton of interior supporting columns that supports the structure itself. The exterior walls of glass steel or synthetic material do not carry any load. The Twin towers are radically different in structural design as the exterior wall is used as the load-bearing wall, which support the weight of the floors. The only interior columns are located in the core area, which contains the elevators. The outer wall carries the building vertical loads and provides the entire resistance to wind. The wall consists of closely spaced vertical columns--that is, 21 columns 10 feet apart--tied together by horizontal beams that span the tower at every floor. On the inside of the structure the floor sections consist of trusses spanning from the core to the outer wall. Thus, the Twin Towers were designed with unproven lightweight high-rise construction techniques. How did lightweight high-rise construction evolve after WWII? It evolved with the help of the so-called "performance code". After WWII the builders complained about building codes. They said they were too restrictive and specified every detail of construction. They called the old building codes "specification codes". They complained the codes specified the size and type and some times even the make of a product used in construction. They complained the specification code was old fashioned. Go to this link to read the entire comment:GuitarBill's Popular Mechanics moment ___ {end} No, you cherry piked my comments. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 3:53 PM    Current rating: 5 You forgot to include this post, dufus: "David Ray Griffin didn't do a very thorough investigation, in my opinion.". The relevant quote follows: "...First, let me say that I place zero value in the NIST report, Popular Mechanics, etc. These documents don't explain the events of 911; they lead one down the rabbit hole." You're about as intellectually honest as your buddy, "prophit". Who do you think you fool when you cherry pick evidence in support of your predetermined conclusions? ___ {end} Hard to lie your way out of this one . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 4:04 PM    Current rating: 2 Where did you get the information you supplied about the towers? You are not going to fool me. My business is related to the building of skyscrapers. ___ {end} I did my own research and came to my own conclusions. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 4:19 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated In fact, the NY Port Authority was sued by 911 victims. The settlement stipulated no new law suits could be brought against the NY Port Authority as relates to this issue. The fact is that 911 "truth" is a distraction designed to protect the NY Port Authority, which built the Tower using substandard building methods and materials. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the NY Port Authority will be subject to legal retribution if the real story of the non-conformance to NY building codes is ever exposed. Naturally, in your zeal to blame Jews for all the problems of the World--like any tried and true anti-Semite--you've fallen for readily debunked conspiranoid nonsense. Now, if you want to talk about lies, why don't you explain to us why you claimed Timothy Geithner is a former employee of Goldman Sachs when his resume states otherwise? ___ {end} When the lies start flowing, they just don't stop . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 4:52 PM    Current rating: 1 You won't be able to back up your claim that I said Geithner was a former employee of Goldman Sachs because I never did and it has nothing to do with 9/11. You don't seem to have anything to back up your ridiculous claims about the construction of the towers. Made it all up, didn't you? You are getting desperate here. Time to start calling me names. ___ {end} No, you claim I lie, but you've proven nothing. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 5:19 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated Actually, a third-rate anti-Semite of your ilk doesn't merit a response, but in this case I'll make an exception, dufus. Everything I need to back up my claim is in the document. It's a well known fact that the NY Port Authority is not required to meet NY building code standards. The article reads, "...Thomas D. Shanahan, a lawyer for the group, the Skyscraper Safety Campaign, said the Port Authority claims that because it is a bistate agency, it is not required to comply with city safety codes." From All Business we read, "...The Skyscraper Safety Campaign's lawsuit to require the city's building and fire codes be applied to the new World Trade Center site has been delayed -- for now...The group, made up of victims' families who want the city codes to apply to the Port Authority property, had planned to file suit yesterday. " The substandard steel was supplied by a Pennsylvania steel contractor (who was, incidentally, connected to the Gambino Crime Family). The substandard steel was discovered early in the project and a New York City building inspector shut the project down. Rudolph Guiliani, as it turns out, lobbied the courts to get the NYC building codes changed allowing the substandard steel to pass inspection and thus prevent the steel contractor from having to replace the steel used in the building with steel that meets the building code. Thanks to Mr. Guiliani, the building codes were changed to allow the construction to continue using the substandard steel. The rest is history. An idiot, much, dustdevil? ___ {end} The lies and obfuscation keep coming . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 6:30 PM    Current rating: 1 "But the agency has said it voluntarily adhered to city codes in constructing the first trade center and intended to do the same with the rebuilding on the site.--from your first link. You did not read it very well, did you. Your link says New York building codes were voluntarily followed in building the Trade Towers. Your second link only states that the Safety committee wants these same codes to apply to any new buildings that are built on the site. You give no link to the substandard steel you say was used in the buildings. If the project was shut down because of this alleged substandard steel, the steel would have been changed, right? If not, give proof. I know you are lying again. Rudolph Giulianni is 64 years of age. The construction on the trade towers began in 1966. Giulianni would have been somewhere around 22 years of age at that time. So, this 22 year old got the courts to change the building codes? Give proof or admit you are making this shit up. ___ {end} No your ignorance just keeps coming and coming. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 7:33 PM    Current rating: 1 Guiliani graduated from law school in 1968 as Wikipedia states, "...Giuliani eventually decided to forego the priesthood, instead attending New York University School of Law in Manhattan, where he made law review and graduated cum laude with a Juris Doctor in 1968." The groundbreaking took place in 1968, but the construction wasn't completed until 1971 as Wikipedia points out: "...Groundbreaking for the World Trade Center took place on August 5, 1966. The North Tower (1) was completed in December 1970 and the South Tower was finished in July 1971." So, you're wrong, Guiliani was practicing law while the work on the Towers was underway. The New York Times documented the halting of construction after inspectors stopped the project. Any public library will have copies of the NYT on microfilm. There are no NYT documents from the 70s online that I'm aware of; however, Guiliani's involvement in the building code augmentation is well known and a matter of public record. "...You did not read it very well, did you. Your link says New York building codes were voluntarily followed in building the Trade Towers." Voluntary conformance to codes does not mean conformance to codes. As Berkeley engineer, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl points out, "...If the World Trade Center towers had been built in a more conventional way and in strict accordance with New York City building codes--from which they were exempt because they were built under the auspices of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey--the buildings probably would not have collapsed, he argues, and thousands of lives might have been saved...Those are lightweight buildings. There was no need for explosives to bring them down." According to NIST, the steel used in the perimeter of the WTC was 90 ksi steel. The NYC building codes at the time required 50 ksi steel. According to Cemco Engineering, "...Generally speaking, 50-ksi materials tend to be more likely required in high load applications (heavy floors, heavily loaded load bearing studs, load bearing headers)." 90 ksi steel according to Delta Steel, "...A hot-rolled structural steel, high strength low-alloy plate with improved formability for use in truck frames, brackets, crane booms, rail cars and similar applications." In addition to all that, we know that the Towers were not up to code at the time of the attacks because the owners of the building were upgrading the heat resistant materials used to protect the buildings support structure. Assface writes, "...You give no link to the substandard steel you say was used in the buildings. If the project was shut down because of this alleged substandard steel, the steel would have been changed, right?" No. Wrong. Can you read? I explained to you that Guiliani lobbied the courts to change the NYC building codes, which allowed construction to continue without changing the steel. ___ {end} More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 26, 2009 5:02 AM    Current rating: 1 If Giuliani's involvement in the building code changes is well known and a matter of public record, why can't you produce the source from which you got this information? And if this really happened and is so well known, why hasn't it been used against him in his quest for public office? Voluntary conformance means that all NYC building inspectors perform inspections just as they would if the Trade Center had been in their jurisdiction. Don't give me any information from NIST. Their reputation is shit. Don't give me one sellout engineer's opinion when I can give you 600 who have the opposite opinion. What has heat resistant material got to do with anything? The fires did not reach much below where the planes hit. The proof of this is shown by the fact that most of the floors below the impact area were evacuated by using the stairwells. Don't tell me the fires went down the elevator shafts. If that were even possible, the heat required to weaken the 47 massive steel core beams would have fried the people in the stairwells. ___ {end} RE: More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 6:57 AM    Current rating: 1 Idiot writes, "...If Giuliani's involvement in the building code changes is well known and a matter of public record, why can't you produce the source from which you got this information?" As I explained, you fucking idiot, I read the NYT article on microfilm at my local library. NYT articles from the 60s and 70s are not ONLINE, asshole. Thus, I can't produce a link. Why don't you go to your librarian and ask him or her to help you, just as I did. Idiot writes, "...And if this really happened and is so well known, why hasn't it been used against him in his quest for public office?" Because he obtained public office BEFORE 911, ass. Does the obvious always evade you? Idiot writes, "...Voluntary conformance means that all NYC building inspectors perform inspections just as they would if the Trade Center had been in their jurisdiction." No it does not. Voluntary means voluntary, no matter how vociferously you lie to the contrary--ass. Voluntary does not equal mandatory. Got it, ass? Idiot writes, "...Don't give me any information from NIST. Their reputation is shit." So, now you're going to tell me that NIST engineers couldn't determine what materials were used in the building construction? You're out of your f*cking mind. Idiot writes, "...Don't give me one sellout engineer's opinion when I can give you 600 who have the opposite opinion." Your puny 600 engineers are not backed by the remainder of the engineering community. Are you trying to argue that there are only 601 structural engineers in the US? If so, then you're a bigger dunce than I thought. Idiot writes, "...What has heat resistant material got to do with anything?" And that statement is proof positive that you're an idiot. Yeah, why would building inspectors concern themselves with fire resistance in a skyscraper? What an ass. ___ {end} RE: More lies and still nothing to back them up . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 26, 2009 2:03 PM    Current rating: 1 What you write in your comments is not plausible and that makes you appear to be a moron. I don't want to waste my time with morons so in the future I will most likely ignore your comments. ___ {end} Still working on that reading comprehension thing, Einstein? Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 2:39 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated Do what you want, anti-Semite. But I have a promise for you: Every time I catch you lying and spreading anti-Semitic filth, you're going to have me to deal with, got it? ___ {end} So, what has 911 "truth" given us? Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 11:21 PM    Current rating: 1 Dr. Foo: Lets see, what has the 911 "truth" movement given us, Reg? (Tin foil hat, please) Reg: Thermate, yeah that goes without saying... Dr. Foo: Shaped cutter charges, Reg? Reg: Well, granted that's there as well, but other than thermate what do we have? Dr. Foo: Pyroclastic flow, Reg? Reg: Pyroclastic flow, too, yeah... Dr. Foo: Pools of molten steel, Reg? Reg: Okay, pools of molten steel... Dr. Foo: Holographic planes, Reg? Reg: Oh, of course, holographic planes... Dr. Foo: Free fall,reg? Reg: Yeah, that's right...free fall as well, yeah... Dr. Foo: Pods? Pods anyone? Reg: Oh, pods, yes... Dr. Foo: And squibs, Reg? Reg: Yes, sqibbs, granted squibbs, yes... Dr. Foo: But other than thermate shaped cutter charges, pyroclastic flow, pools of molten steel, holographic planes, free fall, pods and squibs, what has 911 "truth" given us, Reg? Reg: "Well, they've given me a f*ckin' headache." None of this crap would stand up in a court of law. It's crap, pure and simple. ___ {end} Going for the Alternet straw king title, eh GB? Posted by: LeftWright on Mar 27, 2009 11:28 AM    Current rating: 2 Video and chemical evidence is presented and analysed in courts everyday. Not to mention eyewitness testimony. With posts like this you clearly demonstrate your position regarding empirical evidence and the scientific method. Combined with your habit of labeling anyone you disagree with as "anti-semitic" it is now obvious that you have no objectivity and are an anti-intellectual ideologue which calls into question the validity of anything you may post here. The only real questions now are why you post as you do and how soon will you change your name? The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward. ___ {end} Going for the Alternet distraction title, LeftWright? Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 27, 2009 11:36 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated I've already explained my views on 911 and 911 truth. I don't believe the government's version of events as I've already explained. The 911 "truth" movement is a distraction designed to lead people who are suspicious about the government's official story (and you should be skeptical) down a rabbit hole. To make a long story short, the real villains of 911 are [1] the New York City Port Authority, which approved the construction of WTC, while employing substandard materials and design practices; [2] Rudolph Guiliani, who lobbied the NY Port Authority after WTC construction was halted by building inspectors. The building inspectors stopped the construction because heavy load bearing beams were constructed with 90 ksi steel*. In this case, 90 ksi steel was used in applications that, by definition of NYC building code, are specified to use 50 ksi steel**. As a result, Rudolph Guiliani successfully lobbied the NY courts on behalf of the WTC developers to change the city codes, and the construction was allowed to continue without replacing the 90 ksi steel with 50 ksi steel. And the rest is tragic history. Face it, someone is going out of their way to make sure no one examines the NYC Port Authority and Rudolph Guiliani's role in the disaster. * 90 ksi steel, according to Delta Steel, is "[a] hot-rolled structural steel, high strength low-alloy plate with improved formability for use in truck frames, brackets, crane booms, rail cars and similar applications." ** 50 ksi steel, according to Cemco Engineering, "Generally speaking, 50-ksi materials tend to be more likely required in high load applications (heavy floors, heavily loaded load bearing studs, load bearing headers)." Try again, conspiranoid. :P ___ {end} Oh, and one more issue I'd like to address,"LeftWright". Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 27, 2009 11:42 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated Everything I said to that lying f*cker, dustdevil, applies to you. Every time I catch you spreading 911 "truth" BS, you can count on me to debunk your BS. ___ {end} RE: Hard to lie your way out of this one . . . Posted by: EncinoM on Mar 25, 2009 4:20 PM    Current rating: 5 Operating the coffe trucks outside skyscrapers doesn't count. ___ {end} LOL! ROTFLMAO! Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 4:21 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated :P ___ {end} EM, let's give more credit than that, okay? :P Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 4:30 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated He digs the pit and installs the outhouses for the construction workers. :P ___ {end} That would be better than emptying . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 4:58 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated ___ {end} Dick Cheney's bedpan--as you two are assigned. ___ {end} As opposed to what? Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 6:00 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated Consuming the contents of Cheney's bedpan--which just happens to be your specialty. :P ___ {end} That would be better than emptying . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 4:58 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated Dick Cheney's bedpan--as you two are assigned. ___ {end} Jump right in and try to rescue your fellow troll . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 4:54 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated this one is pretty lame even for you, EncinoM. ___ {end} The only "troll" around here is you, dirtdigger. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 5:21 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated And you're an anti-Semite, too. ___ {end} This is the way our exchanges always end . . . Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 25, 2009 6:05 PM    Current rating: 1 You can't defend your lies, so you resort to false accusations. You are a sad sad person. ___ {end} I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 6:08 PM    Current rating: Not yet rated And I defended everything I've said. Claiming that I lie while offering nothing to substantiate your assertions (heavy emphasis on ass) proves nothing--with the exception of your stupidity and intellectual dishonesty. Twirp. ___ {end} RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 26, 2009 11:50 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated awwww, c'mon, Bill- don't hold back, tell us what you *really* think. ;-) ___ {end} RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 2:42 PM    Current rating: 1 Sorry, but I get tired of dealing with these anti-Semites and used toilet water connoisseurs. Anyone who knows me will tell you that I don't suffer fools or liars. ___ {end} RE: I don't lie, you lie. Posted by: Aquinas on Mar 30, 2009 7:12 PM    Current rating: 3 Why don't you two get a room? Do you really believe that this site exists for the likes of you to argue back and forth like a couple of school kids? I did not! You did too! You're too childish to take seriously. ___ {end} Oh, I lied? Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 12:52 AM    Current rating: Not yet rated Care to substantiate that assertion (heavy emphasis on ass). Bring it on, alleged "Saint" Thomas. :P

By Matt Taibbi, AlterNet. Posted March 26, 2009.
AIG Exec Whines About Public Anger, and Now We're Supposed to Pity Him? Yeah, Right

2009-03-26

» Right wing trolls are becoming easy to identify on this site . . .  Posted by: dustdevil
» You're a lunatic. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Mention a right-wing troll and who pops up? Posted by: dustdevil
» Mention a right-wing troll and a brain-dead anti-Semite belches more lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Right Wing Troll calling long time progressives... Posted by: peacefullaim1
» RE: I've just been called a right-wing troll! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: It's hard to believe that Alternet readers aren't seeing this for what it is . . . Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: It's hard to believe that Alternet readers aren't seeing this for what it is . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: It's hard to believe that Alternet readers aren't seeing this for what it is . . . Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: It's hard to believe that Alternet readers aren't seeing this for what it is . . . Posted by: john mont
» I wish someone knowledgeable in this field would do the math . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Yeah I was outraged by CNN Campbell Brown presenting this without the facts Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Yeah I was outraged by CNN Campbell Brown presenting this without the facts Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Yeah I was outraged by CNN Campbell Brown presenting this without the facts Posted by: dustdevil
» You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: theScale
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: nothreat
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: Quannah
» Ah... that makes sense... Posted by: buffeliscious
» Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck? Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» What strangeness is this ?? Posted by: photon's feather
» Here's your explanation Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Here's your explanation Posted by: photon's feather
» And, for your information, I didn't rate your post. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: And, for your information, I didn't rate your post. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: Edansmommy
» Spare me Eddie Van Helsing - you're an idiot! Posted by: skoog5600
» Eddie Van Helsing = Honky the Nihilist. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Spare me Eddie Van Helsing - you're an idiot! Posted by: Quannah
» Who's the real idiot? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: Who's the real idiot? Posted by: Quannah
» I know I'm not welcome. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: I know I'm not welcome. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: Longdream
» Unfortunately for you, Longdream Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: Unfortunately for you, Longdream Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Unfortunately for you, Longdream Posted by: Longdream
» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi? Posted by: Tweck9
» $451MM not $165 MM Posted by: AIG_451mmbonus
» Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: atka
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: mcyclemama
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: LaurelAnn
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: gar1948
» RE: Blow me you stupid AIG Parasite Posted by: gopblowsgoats
» Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: LeaveMeAlone
» Cleaning house Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: Here's the problem. . . .Not one penny for bad investors and speculators we were told Posted by: RR#1
» That's a separate discussion Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: That's a separate discussion Posted by: RR#1
» One fine point Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: One fine point// I know nothing of technicalities Just know the results of these derivatives Posted by: RR#1
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: madmax427
» Who was asking who for proof? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: Edansmommy
» I assume your actually replying to me and not brunowe Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: I assume your actually replying to me and not brunowe Posted by: brunowe
» Where's the evidence of that? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Where's the evidence of that? Posted by: brunowe
» This is the most backwards part of Taibbi's argument Posted by: NthnBrazil
» The idea that he wasn't part of the problem is ludicrous Posted by: brunowe
» To whit Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: EXCUSE ME. Posted by: Longdream
» Why would I? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Why would I? Posted by: Longdream
» You're conflating things Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: I'm not talking about "Investment Banking" or commodities trading Posted by: Longdream
» Then I've lost the plot Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Why would I? Posted by: Quannah
» Actually. . . Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Actually. . . Posted by: Quannah
» Oh ages Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Why would I? Posted by: Longdream
» A couple of things Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: A couple of things// These retention contracts were entered into before the crash Posted by: RR#1
» RE: A couple of MORE things Posted by: Longdream
» We seem stuck on this "just as badly" thing Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: We seem stuck on this "just as badly" thing--No we're not. Posted by: Longdream
» Where is the evidence that anything illegal was done by the AIG commodities desk? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Where is the evidence that anything illegal was done by the AIG commodities desk? Posted by: Longdream
» You say To-mah-to, I say To-may-to Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: You say To-mah-to, I say To-may-to--Let's call Posted by: Longdream
» What a laugh!! Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Laugh now, while you can. Posted by: Longdream
» Playing the game means knowing the rules Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Playing the game means knowing the rules Posted by: Longdream
» The point is, you're last line is a lie you tell to yourself. Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: The point is, you're last line is a lie you tell to yourself. Posted by: Longdream
» I understand your frustration, but why the personal attacks? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: I understand your frustration, but why the personal attacks? Posted by: Longdream
» For real? Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: Tweck9
» Much discussion of this in the reply thread Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Much discussion of this in the reply thread Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: Here's the problem. . . . Posted by: gopblowsgoats
» Way too much on this in the reply thread to re-hash Posted by: NthnBrazil
» I thought you New Yorkers were tough Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: I thought you New Yorkers were tough Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: I thought you New Yorkers were tough Posted by: Tweck9
» And how long would it be before.... Posted by: David/Daoud
» RE: And how long would it be before.... Posted by: Tweck9
» Is anyone organising in front of Chris Dodd's home? Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Richard Shelby's would be the house to protest Posted by: pelican beak
» keep your eye on the ball Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» RE: keep your eye on the ball Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: keep your eye on the ball Posted by: GodlessUSSoldier
» RE: keep your eye on the ball Posted by: Quannah
» RE: keep your eye on the ball Posted by: photon's feather
» Are you? Posted by: Beck
» THE AIG CROWD IS NOT ANGRY Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Taibbi is still working for Bush/Cheney . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» It's time for an intervention Posted by: skoog5600
» You're out of your mind Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Don't look now, but the Black Helicopters are coming! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Temper, temper. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Taibbi is still working for Bush/Cheney . . . Posted by: Quannah
» Oy vey? Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Oy vey? Posted by: Quannah
» dustdevil = conspiranoid whack job/anti-Semite. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Quannah, the trolls are endorsing you . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Yeah, and who endorses you? The brain-dead? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Cretin. Posted by: GuitarBill
» If you don't have a plausible answer . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: If you don't have a plausible answer . . . Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» WAY TO GO, MATT Posted by: Mewsician
» Not wanting to be snotty but . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Fact checking? What do you know about fact checking? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Cretin Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Moron Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Cretin Posted by: Longdream
» Right-wing trolls hanging out together . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Look mom! The lunatic is back. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Fact checking? What do you know about fact checking? Posted by: EncinoM
» I know I am doing well . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Doing well? More like lying like rug. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Sub-moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Sub-moron Posted by: dustdevil
» Another double post? Posted by: GuitarBill
» No. Are you? Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: WAY TO GO, MATT Posted by: stevehamlin
» Total reminder of 'Ten Ways to Lose a Guy in 10 days" Posted by: Kellie M. Levans
» RE: Total reminder of 'Ten Ways to Lose a Guy in 10 days" Posted by: thesaurusrex
» RE:Do you have the link to the Dirty Dozen? Posted by: RR#1
» It's time for an intervention Posted by: skoog5600
» Hey, Skoog . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» This doesn't just affect the USA Posted by: megpie71
» When America Sneezes, Canada catches a Cold Posted by: RR#1
» RE: When America Sneezes, Canada catches a Cold Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Great Job Matt.. Posted by: KAvatar
» My Tiny Violin Is Playing Posted by: left_libertarian
» Thank you Posted by: Jeanne
» HISTORIC STRUGGLES Posted by: RR#1
» MATT WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND Posted by: Eat Politicians
» You sad salamander of shit. Posted by: weathered
» RE: I don't think he's laughing at them. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: I don't think he's laughing at them. Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: I don't think he's laughing at them. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: I don't think he's laughing at them. Posted by: Quannah
» You have one already--between your ears. Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: You have one already--between your ears. Posted by: Longdream
» This adolescent behavior . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Poor cretin got his ass kicked Posted by: GuitarBill
» By all means, let's get the vacuum cleaner. Posted by: GuitarBill
» This is getting to be fun . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: This is getting to be fun . . . Posted by: Longdream
» Moronic drivel . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Moronic drivel . . . Posted by: Longdream
» Signing off now . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Better yet, go back to www.freerepublic.com where you belong, wing-nut. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Signing off now . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Signing off now . . . Posted by: GuitarBill
» AIG is Parent of ILFC & Thats The Beef Posted by: Jonalist
» AIG is Parent of ILFC & Thats The Beef Posted by: Jonalist
» AIG is Parent of ILFC & Thats The Beef Posted by: Jonalist
» RE: AIG is Parent of ILFC & Thats The Beef Posted by: jleman
» Brilliant Rant Posted by: D_Gold
» RE: Brilliant Rant Posted by: photon's feather
» How things have changed Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: How things have changed Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Like all scammers, Jake was delusional. Posted by: peterjkraus
» gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
» The Public IS Angry because few of these arrogant criminals ever gets prosecuted. Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» jwitts Posted by: juliet
» RE: jwitts Posted by: DaBear
» We should throw dog shit at him Posted by: jeffrey7
» RE: We should throw dog shit at him Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: We should throw dog shit at him Posted by: Jonalist
» propaganda Posted by: Gregsdiary
» Essay is BS for two reasons Posted by: billwald
» RE: ssay is BS for two reasons Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: Uh-huh. Nice try. Posted by: Longdream
» Good on you. Taibbi has facts to back it up Posted by: FeralCat
» Best. Essay. Ever. Posted by: DaBear
» RE: Best. Essay. Ever. Posted by: PaulD
» Webster defines liberal as being open-minded . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Webster defines liberal as being open-minded . . . Posted by: dustdevil

By Joseph Stiglitz, Project Syndicate. Posted March 26, 2009.
9 Reasons Obama's Fiscal Plan Fails Both Markets and Taxpayers

2009-03-26







Americans and their blind spot: The Military Budget.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 8:01 AM   
Current rating: 5

Need money America?

CUT YOUR EXCESSIVE MILITARY SPENDING! 



Twisted right-wing "logic".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 9:10 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Yeah, Einstein, helping people who are sick is "wasteful", but throwing trillions at the military to kill and destroy is just fine.

God I hate twisted right-wing perverts. 

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times. Posted March 27, 2009.
Krugman: The Market Wizards Were Exposed as Frauds -- Too Bad Obama's Team Still Believes in Their Magic

2009-03-27

You have the unmitigated gall to call others "RACIST" and you make statements like this:
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 28, 2009 10:32 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"...Obama the charismatic, glib runway model is just along for the ride. Who better to lead the ransacking of the nation than a person of color?"

Scumbag! 


I don't give a damn where you're from, you're a liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 28, 2009 8:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Yellow knows who you are, and I believe him.

Want to prove that you're on the up-and-up?

Stop lying and spreading anti-Semitic propaganda. 


I'm not in denial
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 29, 2009 10:20 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You're an anti-Semite, what's that like?

Consumed with hatred, much? 



Posted by ZP Heller, Open Left at 6:53 AM on March 27, 2009.
Corporate Sponsors Won’t Stand for O’Reilly’s Ambush Journalism

2009-03-27

Yeah, and the most popular American TV show is WWF (Wrestling)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 9:04 AM   
Current rating: 5

And you wonder why morons of your ilk made O'Reilly so popular?

Stupid is as stupid does.

:P 


Bill O'Really: "Shut up!"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 27, 2009 3:10 PM   
Current rating: 3

"Shut up, you had your 35 minutes. Shut up!" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gua2nweOxyg



By Tony Newman, AlterNet. Posted March 30, 2009.
Kids Do the Darndest Things: Joe Biden's Cocaine Dilemma

2009-03-30


Democrat Apologists Poring Salt in the Wound
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 8:24 AM   
Current rating: 3

Democrat apologists are spending a lot of time trying to defuse the gathering anger among drug policy reform voters. As in this post it is a lot like poring salt into the wound.

Biden and the White House have not denied or repudiated the cocaine story. To me that says that the story is real.

This administration reacts to things in real time. this story broke on Saturday and they have not said a single word about it.

the Democrat apologists and party hacks need to get a better line of work. Something responsible like cesspool cleaning and maintenance. 
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That's strange?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 AM   
Current rating: 3

I support the decriminalization of drugs--and always have done so.

I'm not apologizing for anything.

The fact that I don't believe anything written by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp (the NY Post is owned by News Corp) does not mean that I support the drug war.

Try reading what I said, instead of stuffing words down my throat (which is known as a straw man argument).
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GuitarBill's posturing for Obama is tiresome
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 10:53 AM   
Current rating: 2

Murdoch's paper is not the only source. And you blanket condemnation of Murdoch's papers is ludicrous. Murdoch has run fund raisers for Hillary Clinton and his papers have run positive projects welcoming Obama.

You are attacking one of several messengers who published this story in an obvious attempt to run damage control for the drug warrior Democrats of the Obama administration. Your incessant apologist posture for the Obama thugs is so frequent and consistent that it has become tiresome.
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RE: GuitarBill's posturing for Obama is tiresome
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 AM   
Current rating: 2

aahpat writes, "...Murdoch's paper is not the only source."

The NY Post was the first to publish this scurrilous article--no matter how vociferously you lie to the contrary.

The remainder of your comment is a straw man argument, which proves you couldn't pass a formal test in elementary logic.

By all means, fat head, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh*t.

Question: What do you do if aahpat throws a grenade at you?

Answer: Pull the pin and throw it back at him.
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Personal attacks and insults
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 12:03 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

are not rebuttal.
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Straw men and red herrings?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

If you are compelled to resort to logical fallacies in order to substantiate your alleged argument, I reserve the right to make a mockery of you.

Obviously, you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Duplicitous, much? 


Posted by Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet at 7:50 AM on March 30, 2009.
Top Neocon Max Boot: Obama 'Continuing and Expanding' Bush's Foreign Policy

2009-03-30

And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 30, 2009 8:09 PM   
Current rating: 3

thinks that the nice noises coming from the likes of Max Boot and the rest of his ilk constitutes propaganda? Applause for the Bush policy that wasn't there?

Oh, never! Impugn the motives and the dedication to honest journalism that abides in the Party of the Walking Dead? HOW could I even TRY to say such a thing??

Well, here's how: It doesn't look like Bush, smell like Bush, or play like Bush.

It utilizes aid and support to Iraq and Afghanistan, with possible co-opting of Iran, and cooperation with them, not in a counter-insurgency (Iraq a la Bush) but in counter-terrorism initiatives against the hold and mystique of the Taliban and al Qaeda themselves. We wil not simply prop up existing leaders, but will have strict standards that military attachments to terrorist groups will end. We will utilize political leaders, civilians and other groups in a position to operate against terrorists, only if they meet our conditions.

The plan provides more troops, 4,000 of which will train Afghan soldiers and the national police; the plan is to have more than 130,000 soldiers and 82,000 police officers trained by 2011. If there is to be a counter-insurgency, these are the troops who will conduct it--not American or Nato troops. The balance of our troops will be given expanded counter-terrorism assignments and charged with defeating Al Qaeda, not just killing selected individuals in isolation.

Does that sound like fucking Bush to anybody here??

Those Republican smear-mongers only WISH Bush had led a coordinated, internationally cooperative mission like Barack's. If he had, he wouldn't be in total disgrace right now, and the jagwits who led him, followed him, praised him and bought him wouldn't be in the hole with him.

I must say, they still have some life in them, those fucking dead men walking. They know that if they say something is great, everyone else will think it's shit, and that's what all this fancy praise is about.
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RE: And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 1:49 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Hi Longdream,

I owe you an apology.

I said things about you, and President Obama, that I regret, and for that I'm very sorry.

Put simply, I was wrong.

I hope you'll accept my sincere apology.
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RE: And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 31, 2009 3:38 AM   
Current rating: 5

Huh? Me? Barack? Where? When?

Man, I've only been posting to you and with you recently. Never noticed, and if I did notice I probably sent it right back at you. But I notice you now.

You're a sane dude and I like your style. Keep it comin', and give' em hell.
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RE: And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 7:29 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

It's true, I was really bashing then Senator Obama during his presidential campaign.

I feel terrible about that, so want to apologize.

Thanks.
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RE: And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM   
Current rating: 5

No problema, man.

Apology accepted, if it makes you feel better. But let's not waste time feeling terrible about the past.

There's a particularly obnoxious troll population around here now. I think we've got an infestation of teen-aged skinhead wannabes.
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RE: And nobody--NOBODY---in the crowd of naysayers and conspiracy theorists
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 31, 2009 9:35 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Longdream writes, "...There's a particularly obnoxious troll population around here now. I think we've got an infestation of teen-aged skinhead wannabes."

I agree, it's time zap the skinheads and debunk their lies and hateful propaganda.

Will do!

Thanks.
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RE: I said things about you, and President Obama, that I regret
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Mar 31, 2009 11:28 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Wow Bill, I am impressed. 



By Scott Horton, The Daily Beast. Posted March 30, 2009.
The Woman Who Could Nail Bush: Are the Worst of the Torture Memos Still to Come?

2009-03-30








Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 12:35 PM on March 30, 2009.
'Rodeo Clown' Glenn Beck: 'If You Take What I Say as Gospel, You're an Idiot.'

2009-03-30







By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted March 30, 2009.
I Married an Illegal Immigrant: A First-Hand Account of How Screwed Up This Country's Rules for Foreigners Are

2009-03-30

"nation of immigrants" Lies
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Mar 30, 2009 12:18 AM   
Current rating: 3

Perhaps the US was once a "Nation of Immigrants" but that is no longer the case.

I am a Native American born of native parents who were born of native parents. When my great grandparents immigrated here in the early part of the last century, they didn't scurry across the border in the middle of the night but came here legally.

Aside from the author's situation and maybe people adopting children from abroad, immigration is a tool for the corporate elites to undercut the middle class. H1B visa holders prevent computer scientist and engineers from receiving the compensation they would otherwise receive. Illegals are likewise used to union bust and destroy blue collar wages.

America is not the world's welfare program.
___ {end}


Honky the Onanist writes, "...I am a Native American"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 12:53 AM   
Current rating: 3

So, what tribe to you belong to, Onanist?

Honky, you're so full of sh*t, that if I beat it out of you with a boat oar, I could bury your remains in a matchbox.

Please, do the World a favor, finish the abortion your "mother" botched.
___ {end}


"...I am a Native American"
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Mar 30, 2009 1:03 AM   
Current rating: 2

I am not from any tribe. My ancestors were Celtic, Anglo, Saxon, Teutonic, and Mandarin.

Ambiguous threats over the internet? You're cool.
___ {end}


Idiot, you're of European origin, not native American.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 1:09 AM   
Current rating: 4

I didn't threaten you, putz.

But don't let that stop you from stuffing words down my throat.

Intellectually dishonest, much?
___ {end}


"Native American"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 1:13 AM   
Current rating: 4

Don't you mean domestic fascist?

:P
___ {end}


RE: "Native American"?
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 30, 2009 6:26 AM   
Current rating: 2

You're a couple of strings short of a chord.
"Native American" is an invented term used to foster pity and suck money from the gullible bleeders of the type who feel for Oral Robber's million dollar scam.

I AM a REAL native American.
I am a caucasian who was born in the United States of parents who were born in the United States.
I AM a native American and dod NOT beed to use that term to suck at the public teat.
I EARN my way.

Maybe you have enough strings left for a uke.lol
___ {end}


Yeah, tell me about it, GI Joe
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 7:29 AM   
Current rating: 3

Well. if nothing else, jack@ss, you've taught me one thing: Never argue with a right-wing, brain-dead idiot; they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Did you know that lead poisoning can be prevented if you'll merely stop suckin' on your gun barrel?

Try it. 


Honky the Onanist an immigrant?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 11:43 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Honky the Onanist was created in Petri dish.

It's impossible immigrate from a Petri Dish.

Sh*t is a sh*t does. 


"Class"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 11:48 PM   
Current rating: 1

In right wing vernacular, class is a contraction of "clueless ass".

Go back to www.freerepublic.com, scumbag. 


Posted by Liliana Segura, AlterNet at 8:56 PM on April 6, 2009.
Secret Report Reveals Role of Medical Personnel in Torture at CIA Black Sites

2009-04-06

» Dr. Foo: Lets see, what has the 911 "truth" movement given us, Reg?  Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Molten pools of steel', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: hilaryuk
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: hilaryuk
» Dr. Foo: "Pyroclastic flow', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Free-fall speeds', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition", Reg?" Ever heard of Kinetic Energy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Their work is 'undisputable', Reg?" [SIC] Posted by: GuitarBill
» Avery is more credible then Cheney and The minion Posted by: godsbreath64
» Pinocchio is more credible than Cheney and Bushit combined. Posted by: GuitarBill
» PFGetty You Are a Broken Record Posted by: EncinoM

Posted by Rachel Weiner, Huffington Post at 8:18 AM on April 7, 2009.
Rachel Maddow Mocks Right-Wing Conspiracy Theorists Who Say "Obama Has Pledged Himself to Satan"

2009-04-07








Dr. Foo: "Free-fall speeds, Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 7, 2009 11:16 AM   
Current rating: 1

"Free-fall speeds, Reg?"

Those buildings didn't fall at "free fall speed", no matter how vociferously 911 "truth" conspiranoids lie to the contrary.

Of all the 911 conspiranoid theories, the claim that the towers fell at "free fall speed" is laughably wrong and can be dis-proven by empirical evidence.

Even the most simple-minded observers should be able to tell that they did not fall at "free fall speed".

This is obvious if you simply look in the right places when watching the collapse.

Watch as free-falling pieces of debris fall away from the towers considerably faster than the rest of the towers fell.

As you can clearly see with the debris as represents free-fall speed. The towers had plenty of resistance as they fell.

Now, let's do the math, shall we?

Given a distance of 417 meters (the height of the WTC),

d = 1/2at^2

Hence,

t = (2d/a)^1/2

Thus, acceleration is 9.8 m/s^2.

The height of the WTC was 417 meters.

Hence,

t = (834m/9.8m/s^2)^1/2 = 9.23 s

Thus, any object falling from the top of the WTC at free-fall speed would reach the ground in 9.23 seconds.

So, what was the velocity?

v = at

Thus,

v = (9.8 m/s^2 x 9.23 s) = 90.4 m/s

If the top fell freely as 911 "truth" conspiranoids claim, in 13.23 seconds it would have fallen about two and one-half times as far as it actually did fall in that time. So the collapse was at much less than free-fall rates.

Let's prove that statement, shall we?

90.4 m/s x 13.23 s = 1195.99 m

So, if the height of the WTC is 417 meters

(1195.99 m/s) / 417 m = 2.87

Hence, if the WTC fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 2.87 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

Proof that the WTC North and South Towers did NOT collapse at "free-fall speed".

Watch the Videos which prove the Tower did not fall at free fall speed.

The South Tower fell in 14.75 seconds.

The North Tower fell in 22.2 seconds, as the video proves beyond question.

[1] For the South Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 14.75 = 1333.4 meters

(1333.4 m) / 417 m = 3.20

Hence, if the South Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 3.20 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

[2] For the North Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 22.2 s = 2006.88 meters

(2006.88 m) / 417 m = 4.81

Hence, if the North Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 4.81 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

So much for alleged "free-fall speed."

:P 


Dr. Foo: "Pools of 'molten steel', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 7, 2009 10:50 AM   
Current rating: 4

As I've explained elsewhere, conspiranoids claim that the alleged presence of "pools of molten steel" at ground zero is one of the best pieces of evidence of a controlled demolition--even if they have no idea how it serves as evidence.

After all, actual controlled demolitions never leave behind pools of molten steel.

The fact is that even if an incendiary such as thermate were used (as Steven Jones claims) the steel would have immediately began to cool and solidify as the incendiary burned out--and certainly wouldn't be found in a molten state six weeks after the terrorist attack.

Despite the lack of evidence to support such outlandish claims, let's look at the three pieces of evidence cited by conspiranoids to "prove" that molten steel was present at ground zero:

[1] NASA thermal imaging

[2] Pictures and videos

[3] Eyewitness accounts

"Loose Change" (more appropriately titled, "Loose Cannon") claims that NASA thermal imaging documents temperatures approaching 2800 degrees F, which is consistent with molten steel.

But this is a lie.

In fact, NASA reports a temperature range of 800 degrees F to 1350 degree F. In any case, these temperatures are consistent with a smoldering pile of steel--remember the fires in the WTC were burning at 1800 degrees F, which is well below 2800 degrees F.

Source: USGS Thermal Data Analysis of Ground Zero.

Many conspiranoids claim that pictures also substantiate their argument; however, this is false as well.

In his lectures, Steven Jones, includes a photo as "evidence" of molten steel--and the photos are very convincing. However, the photo was doctored.

Jones, an alleged "scholar" conveniently fails to show the video from which the doctored photos were taken.

The video CLEARLY SHOWS that the source of the alleged glowing molten steel was, in fact, a high-powered flashlight used by the NYC firefighters to search the rubble for bodies and potential survivors.

Moreover, there are dozens of accounts from cleanup workers and others of "molten steel". But did they actually find "molten steel", or something else?

Unfortunately, the conspiranoids conveniently fail to mention that aluminum was abundant at ground zero owing to its use in the WTC facade, the two 767s, and hundreds of vehicles in the WTC's underground parking lot. Aluminum melts at between 800 degrees F and 1184 degrees F--depending on the composition of the alloy.

Fed by office contents, fuel from elevator hydraulics, vehicles filled with gasoline and the intense heat created by the collapse of the towers sourced with oxygen from hollow beams and tunnels which acted as virtual chimneys, underground fires burned for weeks at temperatures approaching 1700 degrees F--which is more than hot enough to account for POOLS OF MOLTEN ALUMINUM, not steel, which melts at a much higher temperature (~2750 degrees F).

Finally, there is NO EVIDENCE of "molten steel" at ground zero NOR WOULD THERMATE ACCOUNT FOR ITS PRESENCE IF IT WERE. However, conditions in the pile--tons of aluminum and super hot fires--were perfect for large pools OF MOLTEN ALUMINUM TO FORM.

So much for "pools of molten steel".

:P 





» Rock Stars have such a hard life!  Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: The 9/11 conspiracy nut cases Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: The 9/11 conspiracy nut cases Posted by: EncinoM
» 9/11 was staged! Posted by: Alan8
» RE: 9/11 was staged! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: 9/11 was staged! Posted by: uncleeddie
» RE: I don't think he is getting paid Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Dr. Foo: "Free-fall speeds, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE:You go guitarBULL Posted by: sasquuatch55
» ;-) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE:Those that were involved KNOW, everyone else SHUT UP! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Your red shirt goes well with your eyes. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: That's intelligent..save your breath and your fuzzy math! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Dr. Foo: "Free-fall speeds, Reg?" Posted by: uncleeddie
» RE: 9/11 was staged! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: worse not worst Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Nukes? No. It's more likely Americans who can't do basic high school-level physics. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: An earthquake has a little more energy in it than a plane crash and hydrocarbon fire Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Dr. Foo: "Pools of 'molten steel', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Observations Suggesting the Use of Small Hydrogen Bombs Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Observations Suggesting the Use of Small Hydrogen Bombs Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Who needs conspiranoid theories when high school physics will answer our questions? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Who needs conspiranoid theories when high school physics will answer our questions? Posted by: EncinoM
» Shhhhhhh..... Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» A '1' coming from someone who couldn't operate a four-function calculator. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: Alan8
» RE: I'm glad you gave me an opportunity to review a showing of "Loose Change" Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I'm glad you gave me an opportunity to review a showing of "Loose Change" Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Diablo Valley College Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Diablo Valley College Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: They need to know how good you are at bringing the crazy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Would you care for a real review of "Loose Change"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The film I saw was the third cut Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Rock Stars have such a hard life! Posted by: axlotl
» RE: Your "facts" that it wasn't an inside job aren't credible either! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Your "facts" that it wasn't an inside job aren't credible either! Posted by: surfreality
» You can't prove "controlled demolition" or "inside job". No one can--period. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Exactly, can't be proved either way......yet. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: You can't prove "controlled demolition" or "inside job". No one can--period. Posted by: Alan8
» RE: ock Stars have such a hard life! Posted by: uncleeddie
» RE: 9-11 conspiracy nuts Posted by: Sister_Lauren

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted April 11, 2009.
Is Hysterical Right-Wing Media Pushing the Unhinged Over the Edge?

2009-04-11










By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted April 13, 2009.
We're Being Lied to About Pirates

2009-04-13

» There is always more to the story.......THANKS. You do this well. Why not do the same for 9/11?  Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: There is always more to the story.......THANKS. You do this well. Why not do the same for 9/11? Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» You make good points Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: There is always more to the story.......THANKS. You do this well. Why not do the same for 9/11? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» I understand your position, but.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I understand your position, but.......... Posted by: Reader in Japan
» I am "intense" for a reason........... Posted by: pfgetty
» You're not "intense". You're suffering from a case of acute conspiranoia. Posted by: GuitarBill
» And why does your opinion matter, GB? Posted by: Centavo
» And why does my opinion matter, conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you GB are a bootlicking Useful Idiot. Posted by: Centavo
» Is that comment an example of your alleged "brilliance", plugged-nickel? Posted by: GuitarBill
» maybe you are right....... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: maybe you are right....... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You're not "intense". You're suffering from a case of acute conspiranoia. Posted by: aonghus36
» And you, Reader in Japan, are a Reader in Denial Posted by: Centavo
» Thanks, Centavo....... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Thanks, Centavo....... Posted by: Centavo
» Riddle me this, conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your Mantel of Usefull Idiotness is confirmed Billy Boy Posted by: Centavo
» And what do I get in return? An ad hominem and fact-free nonsense. What else? Posted by: GuitarBill
» OK Mr. 'LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND... Posted by: Centavo
» "humble pie"? From a clown who couldn't solve a simple quadratic equation? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: OK Mr. 'LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND... Posted by: EncinoM
» AH, Encinoman, another useful idiot appears. Posted by: Centavo
» RE: I understand your position, and agree Posted by: ron heringhauser
» RE: I understand your position, and agree Posted by: pfgetty
» More of your conspiranoia and monomania, pfgetty? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You cut and paste..........big deal Posted by: pfgetty
» No, I don't cut-and-paste. I did my homework and saved the work as files on my computer. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I just saw pure cut and paste, but here, read this: Posted by: pfgetty
» How can I cut-and-paste something I wrote? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Steven E. Jones is a liar, and here's the proof: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Pfgetty Avoid being dishonest.... Posted by: EncinoM
» It amazes me, EM Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Pfgetty Avoid being dishonest.... Posted by: Reader in Japan
» And what gives you the confidence to say without doubt... Posted by: Centavo
» RE: And what gives you the confidence to say without doubt... Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: And what gives you the confidence to say without doubt... Posted by: Centavo
» Dr. Foo: "Is the 911 'truth' movement a right-wing scam, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Molten pools of steel', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Free-fall speeds', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Free-fall speeds', Reg?" Posted by: aonghus36
» Dr. Foo: "'Pyroclastic flow', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition", Reg?" Ever heard of Kinetic Energy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill

By Jerome Starkey, Independent UK. Posted April 14, 2009.
Taliban Gunmen Murder Leading Afghan Women's Rights Activist

2009-04-14

» Forgive me  Posted by: weathered
» I don't think it is fear and anger that motivates them . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Geezus, what a paranoid Posted by: sausage
» Journalists? Are you kidding? . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Journalists? Are you kidding? . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» GuitarBill under any other name . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Get a brain, farmboy. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I don't think it is fear and anger that motivates them . . . Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I don't think it is fear and anger that motivates them . . . Posted by: weathered
» RE: Forgive me Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: Forgive me but does that mean you think the Taliban are Feminists? Posted by: yellow
» RE: Forgive me Posted by: weathered
» RE: Forgive me Posted by: Spiritgirl
» RE: Forgive me Posted by: weathered
» So you're a 3rd generation Republican. You're still the same, you just shifted you ignorance around! Posted by: yellow
» Because you're full-of-crap Posted by: GuitarBill
» Weathered, how odd you trust the same MSM to accurately dish up dirt on Israel without doubting it!! Posted by: yellow
» RE: Weathered, how odd you trust the same MSM to accurately dish up dirt on Israel without doubting it!! Posted by: Squarehead
» These misogynist gunmen sure need some serious history lessons about oppressing women. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Unfortunately, Obama's escalation... Posted by: sausage
» RE: Unfortunately, Obama's escalation... Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: I am also for the death penalty Posted by: 876
» RE: I am also for the death penalty for anyone who verbally supports the US troops in Afghanistan... Posted by: yellow
» When do we start believing MSM? . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: When do we start believing MSM? . . .Did you see Frontline last night? Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: When do we start believing MSM? . . .Did you see Frontline last night? Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: When do we start believing MSM? . . .Did you see Frontline last night? Posted by: Woodenman

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted April 17, 2009.
New Bush Torture Bombshell Memos: 10 Horrifying Discoveries

2009-04-17

» What do you expect from the people who brought us 9/11. Oh, that's right...we can't talk about that  Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: What do you expect from the people who brought us 9/11. Oh, that's right...we can't talk about that Posted by: tiellis
» 911 sham dialoge not in the alternet fold. FYI. Posted by: godsbreath64
» RE: AlterNet can bring it out in the open too, why not? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Right on Sis' Posted by: godsbreath64
» RE: When I saw H... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Just keep writing about it. Whatever you do. Posted by: godsbreath64
» Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» Encino, you don't me at all. Posted by: weathered
» RE: ncino, you don't me at all. Posted by: weathered
» RE: ncino, you don't me at all. Posted by: EncinoM
» Quannah please Posted by: weathered
» RE: Quannah please Posted by: EncinoM
» Dr. Foo: "Did Larry Silverstein say 'pull it', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Torture gave us... the 9/11 Commission Report. Posted by: realtruther
» RE: 9/11 was a big cover up to start with, maybe it was designed for the press Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I think our society Posted by: realtruther
» RE: It is like the truth about marijuana Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Almost off topic: Jedi religion, force in the UK to admit it has Jedi officers Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: weathered
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: PFGetty..9/11 is all you talk about... Posted by: EncinoM
» Will DNA evidence conveince you, Herr Weathered? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Pickings slim there Billy? Posted by: godsbreath64
» Full of sh*t, god? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well no, but maybe your's though, Billy Posted by: godsbreath64
» An "adult discussion"? Are you a comedian? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I think this is the most tragic discussion there is. Posted by: godsbreath64
» EncinoM..9/11 is all you post replies on... Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: ncinoM..9/11 is all you post replies on... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: ncinoM..9/11 is all you post replies on... Posted by: EncinoM
» Dr. Foo: "Socrates, my old friend, what is torture?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill, my old friend, what is torture? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» "Sister_Lauren, my old friend, what is torture?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: sunnywater
» LOL. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Jersey Girls Posted by: weathered
» Ya, well Billypicker sleeps with the rules of evidence. Posted by: godsbreath64
» Yeah, and 911 "truthers" bathe in diseased peanut butter. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Someone let Billy by the keyboard again. Posted by: godsbreath64
» Are you yammering away again about alleged "adult discussion"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why don't I take symbolic offense as if your bliss were nevertheless cogent. Posted by: godsbreath64
» Extremist right-wing conpiranoid trolls and their apologists. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I am defending discussion of topics that Billy may have the problem with Posted by: godsbreath64
» No, you're defending off-topic disinformation Posted by: GuitarBill
» Torture is a penumbra of 911, Billy. Sorry. Posted by: godsbreath64
» Want more proof that you're wrong, weathered? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hey everybody, Billy and the rule of evidence are engaed again. Posted by: godsbreath64
» RE: Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» What happened to the bodies? Will DNA evidence convince you, Lauren? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Will DNA evidence convince you, Lauren...not if she sat on the OJ jury... Posted by: EncinoM
» Riddle me this? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: iddle me this? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» P.S. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Physics, in this instance, is everything. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Physics, in this instance, is everything. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Physics, in this instance, is everything. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Physics, in this instance, is everything. Posted by: Reader in Japan
» Sheesh, people... Posted by: DrDon
Lying again, "prophit"? You lie like a rug.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:05 AM   
Current rating: 1

For example, the liar, "prophit", writes--and I quote--"...That publications editor is the nephew of Chertoff, did you know that??? LOL"

Another transparent lie from one of the most prolific prevaricators to ever scribble bullsh*t to Alternet.

Want proof that you're a liar, "prophit"?

Wikipedia writes, "...Supporters of the conspiracy theories have claimed that 9/11: Debunking The Myths is 'a propaganda piece' written by 'a senior government official's cousin' because Chertoff has the same last name as Department of Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff. However, Chertoff has repeatedly denied this claim, most notably in the September 11, 2006 issue of U.S. News & World Report, stating 'no one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff'. In an audio interview, he noted that any possible relationship would likely only be found in "19th-century Belarus", and that his mother has described any such possible relationship as 'distant'."

So, there you go, liar.

Want more examples of the kind of liars you claim represent 911 "truth"? Read on, Pinocchio.

Have a look into the backgrounds of the people who are primarily responsible for the spread of "911 truth", Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories and anti-Semitism masquerading as "anti-Zionism":

[1] Dylan Avery;
http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html

[2] Jeff "the wig" Rense;
http://minimal-meandering.blogspot.com/2006/06/jeff-rense-aka-compulsive-liar.html

[3] Steven E. Jones.
http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

So, what's really going on here? Why do right-wingers masquerade as left-wingers, while spreading anti-Semitism, right-wing Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories, 911 "truth", etc?

Here's the answer:

Conspiracy Theories and Far-Right Disinformation.
http://www.drlaniac.com/articles/view.asp?file=ConspiracyDisinfo.htm

"...The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you would ever believe. Or so the conspiracy theorists of the world would have you believe. But dig behind the scenes of the conspiracy crowd, and you'll find another conspiracy."

Put that in pipe and smoke it, "prophit" (read liar). 



» No one likes to be Lied to.  Posted by: weathered
» Where in the world have you gotten the idea that Alex Jones is right wing??? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Where in the world have you gotten the idea that Alex Jones is right wing??? Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: Where in the world have you gotten the idea that Alex Jones is right wing??? Posted by: mikeblack
» Thanks, mikeblack. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dems or Republics it's all wrong! That's reality. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» You just contradicted yourself in your own post.... LOL Posted by: Prophit
» Good post, Prophet Posted by: pfgetty
» Lying again, "prophit"? You lie like a rug. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I love it when you give me an opportunity to really expose the inside dirt of this system...LOL Posted by: Prophit
» You couldn't expose the dirt under your fingernails. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You couldn't expose the dirt under your fingernails. Posted by: sunnywater
» The truth from Christopher Bollyn? Now I know you're a right-winger. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You can't argue with GuitarRush the bullheaded shill. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Christopher Bollyn? What next, "prophit", are going to source David Duke? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Wikipedia? HAH! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: You just contradicted yourself in your own post.... LOL Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: You just contradicted yourself in your own post.... LOL Posted by: mikeblack
» What a bunch of garbage! Posted by: pfgetty
» Well, if nothing else, pfgetty, you're just as full-of-crap as Alex Jones. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: What a bunch of garbage! Posted by: mikeblack
» RE:GuitarBill, mikeblack Pots calling the kettle full of crap. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» PS: you are confusing to say the least Posted by: pfgetty
» Encino and Guitar Bill also defend the bankers... now how is that... Posted by: Prophit
» Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-) Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Do the Rothschilds own JPMorgan Chase? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who owns State Street Corp.? Foreigners? No! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Please do not Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» And what do you call those who write on Alternet? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And what do you call those who write on Alternet? Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» RE: And what do you call those who write on Alternet? Posted by: sunnywater
» If you want 911 truth, forget about 911 "truthers" and their BS. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: If you want 911 truth, forget about 911 "truthers" and their BS. Posted by: sunnywater
» "...self evident truth"? BS. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "Lets see, what has the 911 'truth' movement given us, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Free-fall speeds', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» NIST says the buildings "came down essentially in free fall" Posted by: LeftWright
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Ever heard of Kinetic Energy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Molten pools of steel', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Pyroclastic flow', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "And WTC 7, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "And WTC 7, Reg?" Posted by: sunnywater
» No, 911 "truth" is composed of right-wingers, anti-Semites and lunatics. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBull back to his monotonous tirade. Same crap different day. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Posted by: sunnywater
» Are you on drugs? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Foo: "Were the Towers designed to withstand an impact with a 707, Reg"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "Were the Towers designed to withstand an impact with a 707, Reg"? Posted by: sunnywater
» You're not a "patriot", you're a right-wing nutter. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Strange; a building that size tightly packed in a city not built to withstand hit from airliner, Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Dr. Foo: "What are the backgrounds of the people who spread right-wing conspiranoid theories, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dr. Foo: "What are the backgrounds of the people who spread right-wing conspiranoid theories, Reg?" Posted by: sunnywater
» Paul Craig Roberts is a former Reagan administration official (eg. liar) Posted by: GuitarBill
» "Alex Jones is a well known journalist..." Posted by: techcafe
» Right On Right On Right On Posted by: Ethical1
» Some peaceful forms of psychosis Posted by: TimV
» I am becoming very encouraged by this group of posters on here right now. Posted by: Prophit
» I agree Posted by: Bob Horn
» Bob, its easy to explain.... just look at what you wrote.... Posted by: Prophit
» I found the link on the retraction and the role of the Israeli's in the KOS article.... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Some peaceful forms of psychosis Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin
» No Longer Quivering Posted by: deni_haven
» Congratulations. Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» Great! That means you won't buy the fear from this article and hate the right either.... Posted by: Prophit
» Look folks! Now the neo-Nazi, "prophit" is quoting Joseph Goebbels Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Great! That means you won't buy the fear from this article and hate the right either.... Posted by: melloe2
» The slander continues . . . Posted by: regans
» Its called "provocatuering" - that is when you "provoke" others to hateful.... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: The slander continues . . . Posted by: techcafe
» Where??? Posted by: wint
» Sue the bastards for Psychological abuse! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Is Hysterical Right-Wing Media Pushing the Unhinged Over the Edge? Posted by: flagsforfreedom
» RE: Is Hysterical Right-Wing Media Pushing the Unhinged Over the Edge? Posted by: mikeblack
» Good, someone else has picked up on that fact as well..... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Is Hysterical Right-Wing Media Pushing the Unhinged Over the Edge? Posted by: Lilly
» Hypnotised Sleepwalkers Posted by: Purple Girl
» Actually, the Boston Tea party was about taxation, but only on the tea.... not in general. Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Actually, the Boston Tea party was about taxation, but only on the tea.... not in general. Posted by: melloe2
» rgd Posted by: rgd
» Thank you, I humbly thank you for so succinctly speaking the truth to power. Posted by: Prophit
» RE: What is the best way to rob a bank? Own one. Posted by: marid
» Tortured media Posted by: grindermonkey
» Can I get a job as an assistant editor at Alternet? Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: Can I get a job as an assistant editor at Alternet? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Can I get a job as an assistant editor at Alternet? Posted by: techcafe
» RE: Can I get a job as an assistant editor at Alternet? Posted by: techcafe
» persecution and martyrdom are kinda attractive, y'know? Posted by: smendler
» RE: persecution and martyrdom are kinda attractive, y'know? Posted by: Beck
» Tana Ganeva DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE Posted by: ds1st
» follow the money Posted by: techcafe
» horror flicks Posted by: techcafe
» Dr. Foo: "Is Alex Jones a nutter, Reg?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - Your shameless, guilt-by-association smear tactics only underscore your desperation Posted by: LeftWright
» Exclusive Franchise on Anger Posted by: chorton
» RE: Exclusive Franchise on Anger Posted by: techcafe
» Ugh.. Posted by: kristinleah
» a.jones was hated by repugs just a yr ago Posted by: cyphage
» Is Hysterical LEFT-WING Media Pushing Urban Killers Over the Edge? Posted by: EagleX
» RE: Is Hysterical LEFT-WING Media Pushing Urban Killers Over the Edge? Posted by: kelethian
» logical fallacy Posted by: techcafe
» Alex Jones goes into a psychotic rage - Part 1 - you gotta hear these Posted by: techcafe
» RE: Alex Jones goes into a psychotic rage - Part 2 - you gotta hear these Posted by: techcafe
» RE: Alex Jones goes into a psychotic rage - Part 2 - you gotta hear these Posted by: kelethian
» I'll See Your Crazy Diatribe And Raise You One From October.... Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: Alex Jones goes into a psychotic rage - Part 1 - you gotta hear these Posted by: kelethian
» AlterNet will not tolerate: Posted by: sunnywater
» And who do you think the military will recruit, left-wingers? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Scopes "monkey" trial Posted by: willymack
» More of the same Posted by: willymack
» constitutional rights Posted by: techcafe
» The solution is simple. Posted by: kelethian
» RE: The solution is simple. Posted by: kelethian
» Don't try your policy on any of my friends or myself Posted by: TimV
» RE: Don't try your policy on any of my friends or myself Posted by: kelethian
» Your "solution" is a totalitarian nightmare Posted by: LeftWright




I love it when you give me an opportunity to really expose the inside dirt of this system...LOL
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 11, 2009 4:15 PM   
Current rating: 3

... but if you want to know the truth, check this out about the whole Popular Mechanics PURGING THAT WENT ON ......... BEFORE THEY PUBLISHED their scam supporting the official 9-11 false flag....written and published in 2005. Its a long article so I will eliminate all the similarities to the Reichstag Fires in Nazi Germany and stick with the Popular Mechanics scandel that occured and leave the rest out. (THOSE TRULY INTERESTED IN THE DEPTH OF THIS STORY, PLEASE READ THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF RESEARCH ON ALL THE DIRTY PLAYERS IN THIS 9-11 SCAM)

The Hidden Hand Of The CIA,
911 And Popular Mechanics

By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
3-19-5

A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

The Reichstag fire, a key event in German history, and the steps that followed en suite leading to the Nazi dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, provide remarkable precedents for what occurred in the United States on 9/11 and since.

The day after the burning of the Reichstag, the government headed by Adolf Hitler enacted a decree for the Protection of the People and the State.Hitlers emergency decree dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.

Likewise, a month after 9/11 the U.S. Congress passed, without even reading, similar emergency legislation: the Bush administrations USA PATRIOT Act of 2001. The pre-prepared massive security act's long title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism."

"DISINFORMATION AND DECEPTION"

"Ninety-five percent of the work of intelligence agencies around the world is disinformation and deception," Andreas von B|low, former parliamentary official responsible for the budget for Germany's intelligence agencies, told American Free Press in December 2001.

Like Nazi Germany of 1933, American newsstands today carry a mainstream magazine dedicated to pushing the government's truth of 9/11 while viciously smearing independent researchers as extremists who peddle fantasies and make poisonous claims.

The magazine pushing the government's 9/11 propaganda, Popular Mechanics (PM), is published by the Hearst family. Its March cover story, Debunking 9/11 Lies, has been exposed by credible researchers to contain numerous distortions and flawed conclusions. American Free Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior researcher who authored the 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The PM article illustrates how a propaganda method, used by dictatorships, is now being employed by the U.S. government: controlling mainstream media outlets to promote its version of 9/11.

The actions of Michael Chertoff concerning the events of 9/11, the non-investigation that followed, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the propaganda being disseminated in PM, are strikingly similar to actions attributed to the Nazi ministers Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Gvring." Read remainder when I get the new link.

I have written to the publication to get the actual link to this article that I saved the text to since the old one doesn't work.... I will publish that when I get it so you can finish reading the rest of this incredibly exposing indepth article.... it really sinches how deep this thing goes....
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You couldn't expose the dirt under your fingernails.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 5:00 PM   
Current rating: 2

Attempting to substantiate conspiranoid nonsense by posting hyperlinks to more conspiranoid nonsense is not proof--you grandstanding conspiranoid boob--it's a circle jerk.

Christopher Bollyn, on the other hand, is a compulsive liar, right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi who was terminated from his position at American Free Press (formerly the anti-Semitic tabloid named Spotlight) "effective immediately" for "submitting false stories" and "was a disloyal employee."

So, the "hero" you hold up as "evidence", Christopher Bollyn, is, in fact, a right-wing, neo-Nazi extremist who worked for an extreme right-wing, anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi tabloid. The same Christopher Bollyn was fired by the aforementioned right-wing, anti-Semitic tabloid for submitting false stories (fraud and libel) and lying about his employer.

Quite a guy you cite, Pinocchio.

So, the burden of proof is on you, Pinocchio, because you cited a well known compulsive liar and neo-Nazi as a source.

Thus, you've failed to disprove my citation from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia writes, "...Supporters of the conspiracy theories have claimed that 9/11: Debunking The Myths is 'a propaganda piece' written by 'a senior government official's cousin' because Chertoff has the same last name as Department of Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff. However, Chertoff has repeatedly denied this claim, most notably in the September 11, 2006 issue of U.S. News & World Report, stating 'no one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff'. In an audio interview, he noted that any possible relationship would likely only be found in "19th-century Belarus", and that his mother has described any such possible relationship as 'distant'."

Did you really think you could fool me, "prophit"--you little neo-Nazi?

Sieg Heil.

Try again--you neo-Nazi puke.



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RE: You couldn't expose the dirt under your fingernails.
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:31 AM   
Current rating: 3

The overall aim is to avoid discussing links in the chain of evidence which cannot be broken by truth, but at all times, to use clever deceptions or lies to make select links seem weaker than they are, create the illusion of a break, or better still, cause any who are considering the chain to be distracted in any number of ways, including the method of questioning the credentials of the presenter. Please understand that fact is fact, regardless of the source. Likewise, truth is truth, regardless of the source.

Particularly with respects to public forums such as newspaper letters to the editor, and Internet chat and news groups, the disinfo type has a very important role. In these forums, the principle topics of discussion are generally attempts by individuals to cause other persons to become interested in their own particular position, idea, or solution -- very much in development at the time. People often use such mediums as a sounding board and in hopes of pollination to better form their ideas. Where such ideas are critical of government or powerful, vested groups (especially if their criminality is the topic), the disinfo artist has yet another role -- the role of nipping it in the bud. They also seek to stage the concept, the presenter, and any supporters as less than credible should any possible future confrontation in more public forums result due to their early successes. You can often spot the disinfo types at work here by the unique application of "higher standards" of discussion than necessarily warranted. They will demand that those presenting arguments or concepts back everything up with the same level of expertise as a professor, researcher, or investigative writer. Anything less renders any discussion meaningless and unworthy in their opinion, and anyone who disagrees is obviously stupid -- and they generally put it in exactly those terms.
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The truth from Christopher Bollyn? Now I know you're a right-winger.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:54 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Give it up, Sunnywater.

You're just another right-winger masquerading as a "left-winger".

Christopher Bollyn is the equivalent of David Duke.

Only a right-wing nut would trust someone who wrote for the lunatic right tabloid, Spotlight.

Do us a favor, Sunnywater, and go back to www.freerepublic.com.

You're not welcome here. Got it?
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RE: You can't argue with GuitarRush the bullheaded shill.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 13, 2009 6:46 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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Christopher Bollyn? What next, "prophit", are going to source David Duke?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 8:03 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let me guess, "prophit", you dye your hair blond and cut in a Mohawk-style, wear black Doc Martin's boots, live in Coeur d’ Alene, Idaho, but plan to move out of state because your heard an African-American family moved in next-door--in Montana.

Christopher Bollyn? What next, "prophit", are going to source David Duke?

:P

"What a maroon" -- Bugs Bunny. 


What a bunch of garbage!
Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 11, 2009 9:03 AM   
Current rating: 2

GuitarBill doesn't have anything worth replying to.
And you say you know it all have been very open minded, but EVERYTHING that truthers have come up with gets trashed in five minutes.
Yeah, right, like that happens with thermite and so much else.
I don't know where you are coming from, but I'll put my money on the people at Patriots for 911 truth, thousands of people of achievement, pillars of the community, scientists, clergy, military, intelligence, doctors, former political people, and all of them signing onto a site calling for a new investigation.

You sound pretty sketchy actually. You say you have tried talking to truthers, but you say you were one, but that truthers never listen and you gave up. I don't think you were open minded at all. Maybe you ARE GuitarBill.
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Well, if nothing else, pfgetty, you're just as full-of-crap as Alex Jones.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 1:41 PM   
Current rating: 2

Which represents a major accomplishment on your part for a certified promulgator of laughable conspiranoid nonsense, I suppose.

Examples of Alex Jones lunacy are legion; however, I'll provide one example, which should suffice.

Thumb Scanning.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, thumb scanning :P

The state of Texas introduced thumb scanning for drivers licenses a few years back. To be fair, civil libertarians are upset because they believe that scanning is intrusive--and I agree with the civil libertarians on that point.

But Alex just can't help himself, so naturally he ventures off into the realm of the lunatic fringe.

According to Alex Jones, this is a deliberate attempt by the state government of Texas (a component of the "New World Order" in Alex's "considered" conspiranoid opinion) to track its citizens for the nefarious purposes of the coming one-world government (aka., "New World Order").

Get real Alex, scanning proponents aren't evil and they don't intend for the program to be used for evil--you droolin' conspiranoid boob.

Scanning has nothing whatsoever to do with the alleged "New World Order." Perhaps scanning is a bad policy judgement, but it's not evil and it has nothing at all the do with the so-called "New World Order."

That said, Alex Jones is such a grandstanding conspiranoid lunatic that on Wednesday, 25 March 1998, he was arrested at the local DPS office when he went to renew his driver's license and protest thumb scanning.

:P

Alex Jones is such an unhinged conspiranoid nutter that he finds "The New World Order" lurking at his local DPS.

And you trust this fruit loop as a source of "information"?

Astounding.

:P
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RE: What a bunch of garbage!
Posted by: mikeblack on Apr 12, 2009 10:28 AM   
Current rating: 5

Your stuff gets "trashed in 5 minutes", because it's all lies, half-truths told half-way which makes them untrue, and paranoid beliefs represented as fact. You also don't have a single person in your camp who is remotely convincing or even remotely likable. You can't try to sway people into a huge jump in reality by being so ragingly confrontational. Look at say, Kennedy Assassination conspiracy believers, or even Alien believers. They don't come out all enraged and look down upon people who question their beliefs. And you know what? Over time, even though they're called insane by people, they've swayed a helluva lot more people over to their beliefs than Truthers have. And they don't have to rely on White Supremacist kooks for numbers, either.

It's a losing war, and apparently it slowly drives every Truther a little kooky by the looks of it. Then it turns into "Oh yeah, well prove to me your side is right!" after the Truther info gets ripped. Which of course turns into "No, you can't cite that source! I discredited it as government disinfo! Cite something else!" And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Then people get tired of arguing with the brick wall in human form known as a Truther. And when they give up and move on you cite that as a victory for yourselves. Sad.
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RE:GuitarBill, mikeblack Pots calling the kettle full of crap.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 13, 2009 6:59 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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PS: you are confusing to say the least
Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 11, 2009 9:07 AM   
Current rating: 3

You start off telling how Alex is right wing. Then you say he is both sides.
They you go back to Alex is right wing, but still left wing too.
I think you are sketchy.

You were a truther, but for years you were trying to get truthers to listen to reason? How many years were you a truther? A month? And then you got onto whatever?

You sound mixed up, with an agenda for sure.

If you were as you say you are, I would think you would also want a huge new investigation to clear up matters, as confused as you are!
That is what is unclear. You and Encino and GuitarBill seem opposed to a new investigation. Wonder why?
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Encino and Guitar Bill also defend the bankers... now how is that...
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 11, 2009 10:10 AM   
Current rating: 3

... for controlled opposition, huh? Thus it makes sense they would also like to hide and disparage the 9-11 truth search.

I don't think people realize the implications of the 9-11 event if it was a false flag. The implications of not dealing with it, leaves the door open to another one only much more serious and probably in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.... that is why this MUST BE PURSUED if nothing else but to stop any further attempts like what happened with those so called "missing nukes" in 2007. Remember that?

All military personnel from the missing nukes event who were involved are now dead, enlisted men, officers and the commanding officer of the Minot airbase.... I keep thinking about Cheney's death squads on domestic soil. That is how serious this shit is.

Minot AFB Crew Commander found Dead

Don't forget, Chertoff warned Americans many times during the week before the so called "missing nukes" were announced, that intel determined that 5 American cities were going to be nuked and Cheney had scheduled war games for the friday of the 14th of Sept 2007 (just like the 5 wargames cheney did on 9-11, remember?) and then the loading of those nukes by the military proving they were not missing, was leaked by someone to the military times.... and blew open the entire episode.

After that within two weeks the bodies of those airmen began showing up dead.... within a year they were all dead including the commanding officer of the base who happened to suicide himself DURING THE INVESTIGATION OF THAT LOADING... and no witness left who did the loading telling us who gave the orders...Nice huh?
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Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:49 AM   
Current rating: 1

No, what I do is debunk the Federal Reserve Conpiranoids' lies and distortions about the Federal Reserve System--you know, like the sh*t you spread about the Rothschilds owning the Federal Reserve, which is utter bullsh*t.

Big difference, liar.

Furthermore, the Federal Reserve is not a bank in the traditional sense of the term. It's a bank regulatory agency and fiscal agent for the US Treasury--nothing more; nothing less.

Too bad you're either too stupid or brainwashed to understand the difference between a central bank and a commercial or investment bank.

Try a real education, "prophit", as opposed to a trailer park education.

:P
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RE: Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-)
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:20 AM   
Current rating: 1

QUOTE
The news that the bankers Rothschild are to withdraw from the gold market, in which they have been a major player for two centuries, has been hailed as the end of an era.

In one sense, of course, it is. This was the company that smuggled gold coins across the English Channel to finance the Duke of Wellington's advance through France to his final triumph at Waterloo over Napoleon (who, it turned out, had also borrowed money from the Rothschilds).

But in another way it marks out the continuation of an even older tradition - the ability of the family which has founded one of the world's largest private banking dynasties to sustain their secretive fortune, which industry insiders count not in billions but in trillions, and keep it within the family.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_brit...rticle56239.ece
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RE: Another blatant lie, "prophit"? This time I "defend the bankers". ;-)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:27 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Question: Is the Federal Reserve owned and controlled by foreigners?

Answer: No.

Gary Kah, author of En Route to Global Occupation, etc, claimed in 1991 that a global group of conspirators owned a controlling share in the New York Federal Reserve. Gary Kah claimed that the eight largest shareholders were Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin; Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy; Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York; Chase Manhatten Bank and Goldman, Sachs of New York.

Kah's assertion, however, is clearly false, as I'll prove below.

Eustace Mullins, on the other hand, claims that the top eight shareholders of the New York Federal Reserve, as of 1982, were Citibank; Chase Manhatten Bank; Morgan Guaranty Trust; Chemical Bank; Manufacturers Hanover Trust; Bankers Trust Company; National Bank of North America and Bank of New York.

Mullins contends that the Rothschilds of Europe (in this case London) own virtually all of the aforementioned banks; however, this assertion is also false.

The law does not permit stock of the Federal Reserve to be traded on the open market like a corporate security (stock). The Federal Reserve Act, which you've never read, stipulates that only US owned banks may become a member of the Federal Reserve System--foreign ownership is strictly prohibited. Banks who become members of the FRS must purchase stock in the FRS, BY LAW. The mysterious "families" who many conspiracy theorists claim "own" Federal Reserve stock simply do not exist. The FRS stocks are held by the bank itself, not some mysterious "family", and may not exchange hands as would a common corporate stock.

In fact, we can test Kah and Mullins' claims by examining documentation released by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. As of 30 June 1997 the top eight shareholders were Chase Manhatten Bank; Citibank; Morgan Guaranty Trust Company; Fleet Bank; Bankers Trust; Bank of New York; Marine Midland Bank and Summit Bank.

All the shareholders of Federal Reserve System are either US owned or state chartered banks.
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Do the Rothschilds own JPMorgan Chase?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:31 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's examine JPMorgan-Chase as one example.

The top major direct holders as 25 January 2009 are James Dimon, 3,530,240 shares; William T. Winters, 1,319,216 shares; Charles W. Scharf, 1,025,569; Steven D. Black, 896,717 shares; Ina R. Drew, 792,928 shares.

The top institutional investors are State Street Corp., 169,476,617 shares (4.54%); FMR, LLC, 154,384,945 shares; The Vanguard Group, Inc., 119,000,644 shares; AXA, 117,308,390 shares; Capital World Investors, 104,752,000 shares; Capital Research Global Investors, 61,990,215 shares; Bank of New York Mellon Corporation, 55,865,662 shares; and Morgan Stanley, 52,895,783 shares.

Top Mutual Fund investors include Washington Mutual Investors Fund, 42,353,515 shares (1.13%); Davis New York Venture Fund, 37,301,199 shares; Vanguard 500 Index Fund, 34,949,203 shares; SPDR Trust Series 1, 28,430,859 shares; Select Sector SPDR Fund Financial, 27,160,447 shares; Growth Fund of America, Inc., 24,515,000 shares; Vanguard/Windsor II, 23,979,403 (0.64%); Fidelity Contrafund, Inc., 23,481,629 shares; and Vanguard Institutional Index Fund, 21,990,489 shares.

The largest share of stock held by any investor in JPMC--institutional or direct--is 4.54%.

So much for foreign ownership of the Federal Reserve money center banks.

Source: Yahoo Finance--JPMorgan Chase Major Shareholders.
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Who owns State Street Corp.? Foreigners? No!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:37 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

The largest direct holders of SST as of 5 March 2009 include Ronald E. Logue, 263,904 shares; James S. Phalen, 151,416 shares; Joseph C. Antonellis, 108,465 shares; Joseph L. Hooley, 93,815 shares; Edward J. Resch, 86,095 shares.

The largest top institutional holders as of 5 March 2009 include State Street Corporation, 23,049,487 shares (5.34%); MA Financial Services Co., 19,020,989 shares; Barclays Global Investors UK Holdings, 18,030,793 (4.18%); Wellington Management Company, 17,761,174 shares; Price Associates, Inc., 15,605,686 shares; Vanguard Group, Inc., 14,140,890 shares; FMR, LLC., 11,080,002 shares; Capital Research Global Investors, 9,905,000 shares; Legg Mason Capital Management, Inc., 9,716,145 shares; General Electric, 8,148,340 shares (1.89%).

The largest top Mutual Fund holders as of 5 March 2009 include Growth Fund of America, Inc., 7,470,000 shares (1.73%); Vanguard/Wellington Fund, Inc., 6,801,527 shares; Vanguard 500 Index, 4,126,960 shares; SPDR Trust Series One, 3,947,539 shares; AMCAP Fund, 3,325,000 shares; Vanguard Total Stock Market Index, 3,310,873 shares; Select Sector SPDR, 3,182,921 shares; College Retirement Equities Fund, 3,067,232 shares; Price Blue Chip Growth Fund, 2,900,000 shares; and MFS Series Fund, 2,869,680 shares (0.66%).

Thus, the largest shareholder of State Street Corporation is State Street Corporation with 23,049,487 shares or 5.34% ownership of outstanding SST shares.

Source: Yahoo Finance--State Street Corp. Major Shareholders.

So much for the Rothschild's and their alleged ownership of the Federal Reserve. 


And what do you call those who write on Alternet?
Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 11, 2009 9:15 AM   
Current rating: 3

So glad you know the difference, Crabby.
You don't like Alex, so he's not a journalist.
But those you DO call journalists conspire to ensure that the American public do not see and hear the truth about 9/11.
And that doesn't bother you.
It doesn't bother you that no one in msm or alternative media, except a few like Alex, have the guts to go against the grain and present the excellent work of many 9/11 truth researchers. NOT one. Nobody on Alternet. Just mockery.
And you don't see that as suspicious?
NAW........you already know who you like and don't like.
Great!
We need more Americans like you voting............NOT!
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RE: And what do you call those who write on Alternet?
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Apr 11, 2009 3:31 PM   
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You sure jump to a lot of conclusions based on little or no evidence.

I say Alex Jones is not a journalist because he is clearly not reporting facts in an objective manner. He is hysterically repeating rumors based on emotion. My saying he is not a journalist has nothing to do with whether I like him or not. It has to do with the definition of journalism.

I never called ANYONE a journalist in my post. I think there are very few real journalists in America.

Journalists do not jump to conclusions. So you are OBVIOUSLY not a journalist.

I am so grateful that I do not have to deal with you in "real life." Go away now.

Luv,
granny
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RE: And what do you call those who write on Alternet?
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:40 AM   
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You wonder how one of the mostprotected buildings in the world was struck so easily and withoutdefense; yet in one of the most secure buildings in the country not oneclear video exists of footage supporting the official conspiracytheory. You read about and become aware of the plethora ofinconsistencies in the official conspiracy theory, and you realized howtaken together, nothing adds up. You ask yourself who benefited mostfrom the 9/11 attacks.
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If you want 911 truth, forget about 911 "truthers" and their BS.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:23 AM   
Current rating: 1

"pfgetty" couldn't find his @$$ with a hunting dog and a compass.

Want the truth about 911? Read on.
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RE: If you want 911 truth, forget about 911 "truthers" and their BS.
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:43 AM   
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The destruction and implosion of the Twin Towers, falling into their own footprints, along with the destruction of WTC 7 by controlled demolition on 9/11 is now a self evident truth.

This truth is noconspiracy theory, as the corporatist media would have us believe. It is quite obvious and apparent, to those whose eyes have been opened andwhose minds have found freedom of thought.
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"...self evident truth"? BS.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 9:11 AM   
Current rating: 1

If 911 is a "self evident truth", then you should have no problem going down a couple of posts and disproving my math and physics.

You can't?

Then 911 is NOT a "self evident truth".

So where's your math?

No math?

Then STFU!
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Dr. Foo: "Lets see, what has the 911 'truth' movement given us, Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:25 AM   
Current rating: 1

(Tin foil hat, please)

Reg: Thermate, yeah that goes without saying...

Dr. Foo: Shaped cutter charges, Reg?

Reg: Well, granted that's there as well, but other than thermate what do we have?

Dr. Foo: Pyroclastic flow, Reg?

Reg: Pyroclastic flow, too, yeah...

Dr. Foo: Pools of molten steel, Reg?

Reg: Okay, pools of molten steel...

Dr. Foo: Holographic planes, Reg?

Reg: Oh, of course, holographic planes...

Dr. Foo: Free fall, Reg?

Reg: Yeah, that's right...free fall as well, yeah...

Dr. Foo: Pods? Pods anyone?

Reg: Oh, pods, yes...

Dr. Foo: And squibs, Reg?

Reg: Yes, sqibbs, granted squibbs, yes...

Dr. Foo: But other than thermate shaped cutter charges, pyroclastic flow, pools of molten steel, holographic planes, free fall, pods and squibs, what has 911 "truth" given us, Reg?

Reg: "Well, they've given me a f*ckin' headache."

Now, let's move on a demolish the 911 "truthers" so-called argument, shall we?
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Dr. Foo: "'Free-fall speeds', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:27 AM   
Current rating: 1

Those buildings didn't fall at "free fall speed", no matter how vociferously 911 "truth" conspiranoids lie to the contrary.

Of all the 911 conspiranoid theories, the claim that the towers fell at "free fall speed" is laughably wrong and can be dis-proven by empirical evidence.

Even the most simple-minded observers should be able to tell that they did not fall at "free fall speed".

This is obvious if you simply look in the right places when watching the collapse.

Watch as free-falling pieces of debris fall away from the towers considerably faster than the rest of the towers fell.

As you can clearly see with the debris as represents free-fall speed. The towers had plenty of resistance as they fell.

Now, let's do the math, shall we?

Given a distance of 417 meters (the height of the WTC),

d = 1/2at^2

Hence,

t = (2d/a)^1/2

Thus, acceleration is 9.8 m/s^2.

The height of the WTC was 417 meters.

Hence,

t = (834m/9.8m/s^2)^1/2 = 9.23 s

Thus, any object falling from the top of the WTC at free-fall speed would reach the ground in 9.23 seconds.

So, what was the velocity?

v = at

Thus,

v = (9.8 m/s^2 x 9.23 s) = 90.4 m/s

If the top fell freely as 911 "truth" conspiranoids claim, in 13.23 seconds it would have fallen about two and one-half times as far as it actually did fall in that time. So the collapse was at much less than free-fall rates.

Let's prove that statement, shall we?

90.4 m/s x 13.23 s = 1195.99 m

So, if the height of the WTC is 417 meters

(1195.99 m/s) / 417 m = 2.87

Hence, if the WTC fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 2.87 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

Proof that the WTC North and South Towers did NOT collapse at "free-fall speed".

Watch the Videos which prove the Tower did not fall at free fall speed.

The South Tower fell in 14.75 seconds.

The North Tower fell in 22.2 seconds, as the video proves beyond question.

[1] For the South Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 14.75 = 1333.4 meters

(1333.4 m) / 417 m = 3.20

Hence, if the South Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 3.20 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

[2] For the North Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 22.2 s = 2006.88 meters

(2006.88 m) / 417 m = 4.81

Hence, if the North Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 4.81 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

So much for alleged "free-fall speed."

:P
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NIST says the buildings "came down essentially in free fall"
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 13, 2009 1:44 AM   
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NIST: [Question:] “How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)— speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?” [Answer:] ...As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that: “... the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact through energy of deformation. Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos”

I suggest you take take it up with NIST.

Absent that, I suggest you do your math problems factoring in the conservation of momentum and see what times you get. I think you'll find that those times will be far greater than the observed times, which even NIST now admits.

Keep in mind that you're still asking us to believe that 20% of a building crushed 80% of the same building, violating all the basic laws of physics.

More pathological science from our resident straw spamming "mathematician".

Btw, did you ever do those probability calculations on the put options, or is too hard to fake those answers?

You do realize that you now have zero credibility with 90% of the Alternet readers, don't you?

If you want to redeem yourself, you should consider writing a paper and submitting it for peer-review. Try something easy like your bogus free fall analysis, and see how far you get.

It's also worth noting that you stay away from WTC 7, why not study this guy and see how it's done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9Qp5QWRMQ

He also does the North Tower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c&NR=1

and the South Tower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atSd7mxgsGY

Cheers!
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Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?" Ever heard of Kinetic Energy?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:28 AM   
Current rating: 1

Try something called "Kenetic Energy", @$$.

KE = 1/2mv^2

According to Mass of the World Trade Center, by Eric Chen, 2004, from The Physics Fact Book, the mass of the towers was about 450 million kg. Chen provides four sources, by the way.

So given the Kinetic Energy of the top floor, and divide by two, that will give us the average for the top floors. Next, compare that result to a floor in the middle of the structure, and if they're comparable, then all bets are off, Einstein.

208 ft x 208 ft = 43,264 sq ft

50 lbs/sq ft * 43264 sq ft = 2,163,200 lbs = 981,211 kg

So the top floor would be

450,000,000 kg / 110 floors = 4,090,909 kg/floor

with a total mass of

4,090,909 kg + 981,211 kg = 5,072,120 kg/floor

Now, the velocity at impact, which I've previously determined, 90.4m/s, hence,

KE = (5,072,120 kg x (90.4 m/s)^2)/2 = 20,725,088,521 Joules

Now, divide by two, which equals 10,362,544,260 Joules.

Now, let's move up one floor. First, let's calculate the t, time

t = (2d/a)^1/2 = (417/9.8)^1/2 = 6.52s

Next, we'll determine v, velocity

v = at = (9.8 * 6.52) = 63.93m/s

And, finally, Kinetic Energy

KE = (mv^2)/2 = (5,072,120kg x (63.93m/s)^2)/2 = 10,363,863,011 Joules

Dr. Foo: Oh my God, Reg! They're almost EQUAL!!!

Reg: "...Oh no, Dr. Foo, we're in deep trouble now."

Dr. Foo: "...Man the BatCar, Reg; our bat-shit crazy lies are under fire!"

But I digress... ;-)

Of course, that means I can multiply that 10 billion Joules of energy by 110 floors and get a very accurate total. So, what is that total? (And this is a conservative estimate, by the way)

110 floors * 10,362,544,260 Joules = 1,139,879,868,600 Joules

It's well known that a ton of TNT is 4,184,000,000 Joules. So, you might ask, how many tons of TNT is 1,139,879,868,600 Joules? Good question.

And the answer is,

1,139,879,868,600 Joules / 4,184,000,000 Joules/ton = 272 tons

That's over a quarter kiloton. We're talking about as much energy as a small nuclear weapon--and we've only calculated the kinetic energy of the falling building.

"Controlled demolition?" Not by any rational calculation. There was more than enough kinetic energy (KE) present to bring the towers down once the collapse ensued.

Again, do you have any facts? Or nothing but conspiranoid theories?

Put a fork in it, conspiranoid, you're done.
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Dr. Foo: "'Molten pools of steel', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:29 AM   
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As I've explained elsewhere, conspiranoids claim that the alleged presence of "pools of molten steel" at ground zero is one of the best pieces of evidence of a controlled demolition--even if they have no idea how it serves as evidence.

After all, actual controlled demolitions never leave behind pools of molten steel.

The fact is that even if an incendiary such as thermate were used (as Steven Jones claims) the steel would have immediately began to cool and solidify as the incendiary burned out--and certainly wouldn't be found in a molten state six weeks after the terrorist attack.

Despite the lack of evidence to support such outlandish claims, let's look at the three pieces of evidence cited by conspiranoids to "prove" that molten steel was present at ground zero:

[1] NASA thermal imaging

[2] Pictures and videos

[3] Eyewitness accounts

"Loose Change" (more appropriately titled, "Loose Cannon") claims that NASA thermal imaging documents temperatures approaching 2800 degrees F, which is consistent with molten steel.

But this is a lie.

In fact, NASA reports a temperature range of 800 degrees F to 1350 degree F. In any case, these temperatures are consistent with a smoldering pile of steel--remember the fires in the WTC were burning at 1800 degrees F, which is well below 2800 degrees F.

Source: USGS Thermal Data Analysis of Ground Zero.

Many conspiranoids claim that pictures also substantiate their argument; however, this is false as well.

In his lectures, Steven Jones, includes a photo as "evidence" of molten steel--and the photos are very convincing. However, the photo was doctored.

Jones, an alleged "scholar" conveniently fails to show the video from which the doctored photos were taken.

The video CLEARLY SHOWS that the source of the alleged glowing molten steel was, in fact, a high-powered flashlight used by the NYC firefighters to search the rubble for bodies and potential survivors.

Source: Was molten metal in the basements caused by demolitions materials?

Moreover, there are dozens of accounts from cleanup workers and others of "molten steel". But did they actually find "molten steel", or something else?

Unfortunately, the conspiranoids conveniently fail to mention that aluminum was abundant at ground zero owing to its use in the WTC facade, the two 767s, and hundreds of vehicles in the WTC's underground parking lot. Aluminum melts at between 800 degrees F and 1184 degrees F--depending on the composition of the alloy.

Fed by office contents, fuel from elevator hydraulics, vehicles filled with gasoline and the intense heat created by the collapse of the towers sourced with oxygen from hollow beams and tunnels which acted as virtual chimneys, underground fires burned for weeks at temperatures approaching 1700 degrees F--which is more than hot enough to account for POOLS OF MOLTEN ALUMINUM, not steel, which melts at a much higher temperature (~2750 degrees F).

Finally, there is NO EVIDENCE of "molten steel" at ground zero NOR WOULD THERMATE ACCOUNT FOR ITS PRESENCE IF IT WERE. However, conditions in the pile--tons of aluminum and super hot fires--were perfect for large pools OF MOLTEN ALUMINUM TO FORM.

So much for "pools of molten steel".

:P
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Dr. Foo: "'Squibs', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:30 AM   
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"Squibs"? BULLSH*T!

Each tower was 110 stories tall; each floor a full acre in size (208' x 208' x 12').

Moreover, each floor contained 519,128 cubic feet of air. As each acre-wide floor pancaked into the floor below, it pulverized the building's concrete and pushed a half million cubic feet of air per floor out through the windows.

That said, the air inside the elevator shafts and stairwells wouldn't have been forced out as easily. Instead it would have been trapped in the shafts and stairwells as the collapse above built up pressure, until it finally broke through at the path of least resistance. This accounts for the ejected air which can be seen several stories below the pancaking floors.

So much for "squibs".
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Dr. Foo: "'Pyroclastic flow', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:31 AM   
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"Pyroclastic flow", Reg?

The argument that there were "Pyroclastic flows" is BS.

You'll find not one person who was cooked at ground zero.

According to Wikipedia, "...The gas is usually at a temperature of 100-800 degrees Celsius (100 degrees C is the boiling point of water). The flows normally hug the ground and travel downhill under gravity, their speed depending upon the gradient of the slope and the size of the flow."

So, why wasn't, for example, William Rodriguez, your so-called eyewitness, cooked like a poached fish if there were "Pyroclastic flows"? Why were trees left green next to the towers? Why did paper and other debris hit the ground without being burned?
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Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:32 AM   
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Controlled demolitions always leave identifiable remnants in the debris pile. The WTC debris pile was spread over a 16-acre site, and many of the cleanup workers had backgrounds in controlled demolition cleanups. Nevertheless, not one person found a single remnant that would indicate controlled demolition.

Moreover, no explosions can be heard in any of the videos. In addition, no evidence of explosives were found at ground zero. Thus, the "controlled demolition" scenario is an impossibility.

"...Our team, working at ground zero, including myself, never saw indication of explosive use that would have been evident after the event. You just can't clean up all that det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, burn marks along clean-cut edges of columns, etc., nor is there any evidence in the thousands of photos taken by the press and dozens of agencies over the following days." -- Brent Blanchard, Demolition Expert; International Society of Explosives Engineers.

Controlled Demolition of Wachovia Building Midtown Atlanta.

Landmark Implosion.

Aladdin Hotel Implosion.

The Kingdome in Seattle is demolished.

911 "truthers" don't like to talk about real controlled demolitions.

Why?

Notice that actual controlled demolitions are accompanied BY LOUD EXPLOSIONS, which can be heard for miles.

Now given the real controlled demolitions you've just watched, examine the following video:

Why are no explosives audible while the WTC collapse was underway?

The answer is obvious to even the most simple-minded observer: Because there were none.

Finally, notice that debris ejected from the tower which represents free-fall, reaches the ground long before the tower.
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Dr. Foo: "And WTC 7, Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:33 AM   
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The WTC 7 collapse is easy to explain.

Conspiranoids point to the alleged "strange" collapse of WTC 7 as proof of 911 "truth" demolition theory; however, like all 911 conspiranoid theories, this is false.

While it's true that no plane struck WTC 7, a Boeing 767 is not the only way to inflict damage on a skyscraper of lightweight design.

WTC 7 was located less than 300 feet from the North Tower. Videos from multiple angles of the North Tower's collapse clearly show large debris repeatedly striking the WTC 7. Photographs taken by multiple sources confirm the damage to the Tower as the result of falling debris from the collapse of the North Tower.

Due to heavy smoke, the picture and videos don't reveal the worst of the damage as witnessed by firefighters and police officers.

Shyam Sunder, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sc.D., Structural Engineering, 1981, lead investigator for the NIST said--and I quote--"...On about a third of the face of the center and to the bottom, approximately ten stories, about 25% of the depth of the building was scooped out."

So, obviously, the building was already severely damaged, with the weight of 47 stories redistributed to its remaining columns. Firefighters remarked on video from ground zero, "Look at the hole in that building, That thing may come down."

Then came the fires. WTC 7's fires were fueled by a series of diesel power generators (they supply power to mission-critical computer systems during power outages) distributed throughout the lower floors, which is where most of the fires were concentrated.

Around 2:00 PM, firefighters noticed a "bulge" in the southwest corner and began hearing creaking sounds coming from the building. At 3:00 PM, the firefighters, fearing a collapse, began pulling back and evacuated the building, allowing the fires to rage unchecked. The on setting collapse, the firefighters believed, was now inevitable.

WTC 7 was also uniquely designed in that its entire upper section, above the 7th floor, was supported by three main trusses. Exposed to fire for seven hours and critically weakened, Truss1--in the Northeast corner--failed at 5:20 PM. This initial collapse progressed vertically all the way to the roof, as evidenced by the collapse of the East Penthouse.

At this point, the building was no longer able to support the redistributed weight, the two remaining trusses gave way approximately 8 second later, resulting in the complete collapse of the building.

The fact is that there was nothing strange about the collapse of WTC 7, at all. The firefighters certainly weren't surprised when the building collapsed just as they had predicted.

Moreover, considering that international news agencies around the World were reporting that WTC 7 was on fire, and according to the firefighters, in danger of collapse, it should not come as a surprise to anyone (with the exception of conspiranoids, I suppose) when WTC 7 collapsed after 7 hours of raging fire.

Try reality, instead of conspiranoid nonsense.

:P

The Conspiranoid Song.
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RE: Dr. Foo: "And WTC 7, Reg?"
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:36 AM   
Current rating: 3

The truth is apparent, it canno longer be denied. The 9/11 Truth Movement thrives because it hastruth and a quest for justice on its side. It has the power of thenaked eye, for WTC 7 video footage cannot lie. It has physics, science,witnesses and research into government action and inaction. It hastechnology, experts and whistleblowers. It has honor, integrity andmomentum. Of course there will always be 30 percent of the populationthat will never be made to believe in the criminality of its right wingheroes, even if the button for the controlled demolitions is put infront of their face. These 30 percent are sheeple, individualscomprising the army of good Americans, the most ignorant and closedminded people around. The Movement will never convince them. Thechallenge is reaching the millions who do have free-thinking minds,those who can put common sense and science and reason together.
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No, 911 "truth" is composed of right-wingers, anti-Semites and lunatics.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:46 AM   
Current rating: 1

The four clowns, listed below, are all the proof you need to understand that 911 "truth" is a fraud.

[1] Dylan Avery;

[2] Jeff "the wig" Rense;

[3] Steven E. Jones;

[4] Eustace Clarence Mullins.

Are you sure you want to be associated with scumbags like Avery, Rense, Jones and Mullins?
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RE: GuitarBull back to his monotonous tirade. Same crap different day.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 13, 2009 7:03 AM   
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nt
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Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:34 AM   
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To support their cockamamie claims that the WTC fell as the result of "controlled demolition", conspiranoid theorists attack the official NIST Report by insisting that fire doesn't melt steel.

Clearly, this is a straw man argument; the NIST Report does not (nor did it ever) make the claim that the steel melted.

What NIST does claim is that the fires were sufficient to weaken the steel to the point of structural failure.

Most high-rises have a concrete inner core or concrete-encased outer columns, or both.

The World Trade Center had neither.

On the contrary, the WTC's steel column's and trusses were protected by a layer of foam fireproofing, which was knocked off during the plane impacts.

For the North Tower, 15% of the perimeter columns and 13% of the core columns were completely severed with many more severely damaged.

For the South Tower, 14% of the perimeter columns and 21% of the core columns were completely severed with many more severely damaged.

Unlike most office fires, the crashes piled debris against the furthest walls and corners, providing fuel for persistent fires at the most vulnerable points of the buildings.

For example, the temperature simulation for the 82nd floor of the South Tower shortly before its collapse shows the fires concentrated around the northeast corner.

Although steel doesn't melt until it reaches ~2750 degrees F, it loses 50% of its strength at ~1100 degrees F. The worst of the WTC fires burned at ~1800 degrees F.

As the weakened 90 ksi steel floor trusses sagged, they pulled on both the core and perimeter columns. Because the perimeter columns provided 40% of the building's support and were weakened the most by fire, the sagging caused the perimeter columns to bow inward.

Photos taken by Police helicopters show bowing of 20 inches along the East face of the South Tower at approximately 9:54 AM that day.

The bowing continued until the perimeter columns finally reached their breaking point and snapped.

The fact that the worst fire took place where the debris is concentrated is why the South Tower collapsed to the east, and the North Tower collapsed to the South.

The North Tower had half as many floors of weight on its weakened columns, which is one reason it stood twice as long as the South Tower, but its own collapse was inevitable.

At 10:21 AM an NYC aviation officer unit reported that the North Tower was buckling in the southwest corner and leaning to the south.

Conspiranoid theorists seem unable to discredit the bowing theory in the face of photo and video evidence confirming it as fact, so the conspiranoids fabricate straw man arguments such as "fire doesn't melt steel" and then go on the attack against this instead.

Of course the Towers didn't melt.

Ultimately, it was the fires and the sagging of the floor trusses that bowed the columns and led to the collapse of both WTC towers--not a "controlled demolition".
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RE: Dr. Foo: "'Controlled demolition', Reg?"
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:26 AM   
Current rating: 3

The cult-like "skepticism" club headed by former psychic spoon bender, James "Amazin'" Randi, posted a summary of the financials for the the govt loyalist site in the the govt loyalist site Forum. Despite running up a loss of nearly $80,000, the organization paid Randi $175,000:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php...725#post3214725

the govt loyalist site Loss $79,859 FY 2006
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Are you on drugs?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:48 AM   
Current rating: 1

What does that idiotic post have to do with what I've written?

Put the bong down, please.
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Dr. Foo: "Were the Towers designed to withstand an impact with a 707, Reg"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:36 AM   
Current rating: 1

UC Berkeley Engineer, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., Structures, University of Michigan; M.S.E., Structures, University of Michigan; M.S., Civil Engineering, Tehran Polytechnic Institute; P.E. writes, "...If the World Trade Center towers had been built in a more conventional way and in strict accordance with New York City building codes — from which they were exempt because they were built under the auspices of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey — the buildings probably would not have collapsed, and thousands of lives might have been saved...This building was so strange, and so many violations of practice and code were introduced...The design contains at least 10 unusual elements...For example, rather than using a traditional skeletal framework of vertical and horizontal columns, the twin towers relied partly on a "bearing wall" system in which the floors and walls worked together to support each other...That system allowed designers to use thinner steel in the buildings' columns and exterior than would be used in a traditional design...in some places the steel in columns was only one-quarter of an inch thick...Those are lightweight buildings. There was no need for explosives to bring them down."

John T. O'Hagan (1925–1991), 22nd Fire Commissioner of the City of New York was critical of the WTC design and safety practices. Wikipedia writes, "...He earned a reputation as a brilliant fire officer and a tough manager, despite his initial lack of knowledge of how to work the levers of city government. Even Chief O'Hagan, commanding a leader as he was, could not thwart a 1968 revision of the building code, drafted in large part by the real estate industry, that he thought thinned the margin of fire safety...Still, Chief O'Hagan did not give up. He returned in 1973 with safety measures added to the code. But they did not apply to the World Trade Center, which, being owned by another government agency, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was exempt from city codes — and fire inspections."

Ever heard of an investigative journalist named, Jim Scanlon? He contributed to the Marin County Postal Coast, and was widely respected in California.

Scanlon wrote in August 2003, "...The Skyscraper Safety Campaign, composed of parents of families of firefighters and victims of the World Trade Center catastrophe, are actively organizing and campaigning to insure that whatever is built at the site is built strictly according to the City's new international building codes. The New York/New Jersey Port Authority, which owns the site, wasn't and isn't, strictly speaking, required to abide by the City's building codes. The Port Authority is resisting formal commitment to these rules but has said it will obey them voluntarily.

"The reader may remember that the materials and the novel structure of the Two Towers were never subjected to rigorous testing, that they were built without sprinkler systems (or sewage treatment) and their structural steel supports were inadequately fireproofed by a subcontractor with Mafia connections. (The contractor was shot to death during litigation in the early 1990s and his body dumped in the parking lot beneath the Towers.)"

The fact is that those buildings were not built to withstand an impact with an airliner. This is the 911 "truth" movement's big lie and number 1 straw man argument.

So much for 911 "truth".
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RE: Dr. Foo: "Were the Towers designed to withstand an impact with a 707, Reg"?
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:37 AM   
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Forwhat is braver, questioning authority or following it? What is moreconvenient, thinking for oneself or believing only what televisionwants you to believe? Who is more a patriot, the person who challengesthe blatant lies of leaders in times of trouble or the person whoobediently believes everything he is told him by a government that hasnot once told the truth?
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You're not a "patriot", you're a right-wing nutter.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:58 AM   
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Christopher Bollyn?

Why don't you cite David Duke as "evidence"?

Who do you think you're foolin', right-wing nut?

"Patriot".

Don't make me laugh.
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RE: Strange; a building that size tightly packed in a city not built to withstand hit from airliner,
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 13, 2009 7:15 AM   
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rocket, bomb, earthquake etc. Says a lot about planning, design, engineering, ,and architecture. I suppose you think none of this was even considered in the construction. And you, being a mathematical genius.
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Dr. Foo: "What are the backgrounds of the people who spread right-wing conspiranoid theories, Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 11:53 AM   
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Reg: "You mean besides yourself, Dr. Foo?"

Dr. Foo: "Of course, Reg".

Have a look into the backgrounds of the people who are primarily responsible for the spread of "911 truth", Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories and anti-Semitism masquerading as "anti-Zionism":

[1] Dylan Avery;

[2] Jeff "the wig" Rense;

[3] Steven E. Jones.

So, what's really going on here? Why do right-wingers masquerade as left-wingers, while spreading anti-Semitism, right-wing Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories, 911 "truth", etc?

Here's the answer:

Conspiracy Theories and Far-Right Disinformation.

"...The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you would ever believe. Or so the conspiracy theorists of the world would have you believe. But dig behind the scenes of the conspiracy crowd, and you'll find another conspiracy."

"...The truth shall set you free."
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RE: Dr. Foo: "What are the backgrounds of the people who spread right-wing conspiranoid theories, Reg?"
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 12, 2009 8:23 AM   
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Paul Craig Roberts Reviews Griffin's Debunking 9/11 Debunking

Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, Paul Craig Roberts, reviews David Ray Griffin’s new book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking...

9/11 and the Evidence

By Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7262
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Paul Craig Roberts is a former Reagan administration official (eg. liar)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 12, 2009 8:42 AM   
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Brilliant!

How does your post address the dishonesty of Rense, Avery and Jones?

Let me know when you want to address the subject, rather than toss out red herrings.



Dr. Foo: "Is Alex Jones a nutter, Reg?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 11, 2009 2:43 PM   
Current rating: 2

Reg: "Compared to who, Dr. Foo?"

Dr. Foo: "Pick a nut--any nut, Reg"

Reg: "Examples of Alex Jones lunacy are legion; however, I'll provide one example, which should suffice, Dr. Foo."

Thumb Scanning.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, thumb scanning :P

The state of Texas introduced thumb scanning for drivers licenses a decade ago. To be fair, civil libertarians are upset because they believe that scanning is intrusive--and I agree with the civil libertarians on that point.

But Alex just can't help himself, so naturally he ventures off into the realm of the lunatic fringe.

According to Alex Jones, this is a deliberate attempt by the state government of Texas (a component of the "New World Order" in Alex's "considered" conspiranoid opinion) to track its citizens for the nefarious purposes of the coming one-world government (aka., "New World Order").

Get real Alex, scanning proponents aren't evil and they don't intend for the program to be used for evil--you droolin' conspiranoid boob.

Scanning has nothing whatsoever to do with the alleged "New World Order." Perhaps scanning is a bad policy judgement, but it's not evil and it has nothing at all the do with the so-called "New World Order."

That said, Alex Jones is such a grandstanding conspiranoid lunatic that on Wednesday, 25 March 1998, he was arrested at the local DPS office when he went to renew his driver's license and protest thumb scanning.

:P

Alex Jones is such an unhinged conspiranoid nutter that he finds "The New World Order" lurking at his local DPS.

And you trust this right-wing fruit loop as a source of "information"?

Why do I call Alex Jones a right-winger?

He supports Ron Paul, an extremist right-wing Republican, doesn't he?

Dr. Foo: "What are the backgrounds of the people who spread right-wing conspiranoid theories, Reg?"

Reg: "You mean besides yourself, Dr. Foo?"

Dr. Foo: "Of course, Reg".

Have a look into the backgrounds of the people who are primarily responsible for the spread of "911 truth", Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories and anti-Semitism masquerading as "anti-Zionism":

[1] Dylan Avery;

[2] Jeff "the wig" Rense;

[3] Steven E. Jones;

[4] Eustace Clarence Mullins.

(Credit for the Dylan Avery link goes to EncinoM).

So, what's really going on here? Why do right-wingers masquerade as left-wingers, while spreading anti-Semitism, right-wing Federal Reserve conspiranoid theories, 911 "truth", etc?

Here's the answer:

Conspiracy Theories and Far-Right Disinformation.

(Credit for the Conspiracy Theories and Far-Right Disinformation goes to "techcafe").

"...The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you would ever believe. Or so the conspiracy theorists of the world would have you believe. But dig behind the scenes of the conspiracy crowd, and you'll find another conspiracy."

Reg: "...The truth shall set you free, Dr. Foo."

:P
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GB - Your shameless, guilt-by-association smear tactics only underscore your desperation
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 13, 2009 6:00 PM   
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I think you should keep Dr. Jones out of your unfounded smear campaign, or do you have a problem with his Mormon faith?

GB = GarbageBag 




By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted April 27, 2009.
The Bush White House's Appalling and Evil Legacy: Now We Know the Whole Story

2009-04-17

» Mr. Rich, why are you scared to write about 9/11 TOOTH?  Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Mr. brunowe, grow up Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Which one of the voices in your head told you to say that? Posted by: brunowe
» Our Underlying Unity Posted by: cedaray1
» 9/11 BIG OIL WARS & MILLIONS DEAD are "TOOTH" too - right BrunClod? Posted by: PointMan
» Wow PointyHead... Posted by: brunowe
» Wow, BunClod... Wrong Again (what a surpirse!) Posted by: PointMan
» But Pointy, didn't you claim there were bombs in the WTC? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GasBag "GuitarBill" paranoid TROLL is BUSTED again... Posted by: PointMan
» No, Pointy, you had two videos not one. Posted by: GuitarBill
» No, GasBag TROLL - I referenced 1 Video Segment - WRONG AGAIN (what surprise) Posted by: PointMan
» You can't prove who said what with that video. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GasBag TROLL: do you have ANY idea how Stupid you Sound? Posted by: PointMan
» The only person who spoke in that video was the cameraman. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 9/11 BIG OIL WARS & MILLIONS DEAD are "TOOTH" too - right BrunClod? Posted by: techcafe
» Unable to fight the truth with facts, brunowe resorts to lame "ridicule" Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Unable to fight the truth with facts, brunowe resorts to lame "ridicule" Posted by: brunowe
» Are you referring to the peer-reviewed paper sponsored by the University of Copenhagen? Posted by: LeftWright
» I'm talking about the vanity press... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: I'm talking about the vanity press... Posted by: Crazy H
» NEWSFLASH--You're totally incorrect!! Posted by: brunowe
» so, brunowe, you don't actually have any substantive criticism of the paper, huh? Posted by: realtruther
» RE: so, brunowe, you don't actually have any substantive criticism of the paper, huh? Posted by: EncinoM
» You are the "JOKE" EncinoMuck - Nobody takes you Seriously Posted by: PointMan
» RE: You are the "JOKE" EncinoMuck - Nobody takes you Seriously Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: You are the "JOKE" EncinoMuck - Nobody takes you Seriously Posted by: Crazy H
» YOU'RE the ones who claim that it was a peer-reviewed paper Posted by: brunowe
» Is that really the best you can do, brunowe? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Is that really the best you can do, brunowe? Posted by: Krotos
» It's as good as I need to do Posted by: brunowe
» RE: NEWSFLASH--You're totally incorrect!! Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: NEWSFLASH--Do your homework Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: NEWSFLASH--Do your homework Posted by: brunowe
» NEWSFLASH--You're wrong again Posted by: brunowe
» 9/11 truth deniers never do deal in facts--how could they when the facts are not in their favor? Posted by: realtruther
» RE: 9/11 truth deniers never do deal in facts--how could they when the facts are not in their favor? Posted by: cplot
» 9/11 conspiranoids are complete narcissists Posted by: brunowe
» RE: 9/11 conspiranoids are complete narcissists Posted by: realtruther
» RE: 9/11 conspiranoids are complete narcissists Posted by: brunowe
» What is your point? That over 400 people showing up for a lecture on a rainy day means nothing? Posted by: realtruther
» RE: What is your point? That over 400 people showing up for a lecture on a rainy day means nothing? Posted by: GuitarBill
» do you realize how ridiculous you look? Posted by: realtruther
» Point? Posted by: GuitarBill
» That you can't even fill a SMALL auditorium speaks volumes. Posted by: brunowe
» Yes, Mr. Rich....how can you talk about the "Whole Story" and not mention 9/11??? Posted by: pfgetty
» Can pfgetty really be that slow? Posted by: brunowe
» See what happens, Alternet, before the trolls (guitarBill and Encino) wake up? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: See what happens, Alternet, before the trolls (guitarBill and Encino) wake up? Posted by: EncinoM
» Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: See what happens, Alternet, before the trolls (guitarBill and Encino) wake up? Posted by: wal55
» 9/11 TOOTH? Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: it was not radioactive beavers ... Posted by: shanaza
» shanaza, do you also make fun of cancer victims? Posted by: realtruther
» RE: Why, are you a cancer victim? Posted by: shanaza
» Reactive troll becomes proactive . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: eactive troll becomes proactive . . . Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: eactive troll becomes proactive . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: eactive troll becomes proactive . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: eactive troll becomes proactive . . . Posted by: EncinoM
» "those whose request(s) are based in reality" . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: "those whose request(s) are based in reality" . . . Posted by: EncinoM
» marvin did it Posted by: techcafe
» RE: marvin did it Posted by: EncinoM
» Hold it, that's the Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: marvin did it Posted by: techcafe
» Y'all are FUNNY! But you simply cannot top this... Posted by: realtruther
» RE: Mr. Rich, why are you scared to write about 9/11 TOOTH? Posted by: particle
» RE: PEOPLE!! ARGUING WITH TROLLS GIVES THEM WHAT THEY WANT - CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE.. Posted by: Gisele
» You're right, Gisele Posted by: Centavo
» Gisele - Not countering obvious disinformation does the same thing Posted by: LeftWright
» "obvious disinformation"? We'll see who's spewing disinformation, shall we? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why do you keep repeating yourself? Posted by: realtruther
» I've given you dozens of examples of your dishonesty Posted by: GuitarBill
» coming from someone who calls the FDNY oral histories bogus, this is hardly convincing. Posted by: realtruther
» Not only are you a liar, you're an @$$. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I dunno, Bill, sure looks like you did use an apostrophe to make a plural... Posted by: realtruther
» Yes, just keep changing the subject, liar. Posted by: GuitarBill
» go ahead and call *me* a liar, but PLEASE stop calling the 9/11 firefighters liars, OK? Posted by: realtruther
» You, Avery and Griffin are the Ones Makeing the FDNY out to be Liars Posted by: EncinoM
» your english is atrocious - start there... Posted by: realtruther
» The spinning straw king of Alternet continues his retreat into the land of zero credibility Posted by: LeftWright
» The 911 "truth movement" is a pack of lies. You're caught lying so just admit you're a fraud. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The 911 "truth movement" is a pack of lies. You're caught lying so just admit you're a fraud. Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: The 911 "truth movement" is a pack of lies. You're caught lying so just admit you're a fraud. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Enlighten us, GB, please give a detailed explanation of your conspiracy theory Posted by: LeftWright
» I don't cast pearls before swine. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Once again, GB runs away when he knows he has no facts to stand on Posted by: LeftWright
» No, @$$, I've already explained my ideas about NY/NJPA and 911 "truth". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The 911 "truth movement" is a pack of lies. You're caught lying so just admit you're a fraud. Posted by: parrhesia
» GB - Your desperation could not be more obvious for all to see Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: GB - Your desperation could not be more obvious for all to see Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitar Bill, what motivates you to do this day after day year after year? Posted by: realtruther
» You're not "skeptics" motivated by "justice". You're a lynch mob, motivated by "hate". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You're not "skeptics" motivated by "justice". You're a lynch mob, motivated by "hate". Posted by: Reader in Japan
» GB - Who is it that you think I hate and why? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: GB - Your desperation could not be more obvious for all to see Posted by: Reader in Japan
» I suggest you take the time to study cointelpro and disinformation Posted by: LeftWright
» ... disinformation, shall we? Posted by: parrhesia
» RE: Mr. Rich, why are you scared to write about 9/11 TOOTH? Posted by: rimchamp77
» For those truly interested in investigating the events of 9/11/01, start here: Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: For those truly interested in learning the truth about 911 "truth", start here: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Actually the proof is the FDNY's own oral histories... Posted by: realtruther
» Oh, now it's the bogus "oral histories", right? Posted by: GuitarBill
» the oral histories are bogus, eh? tell that to the FDNY! Posted by: realtruther
» David Ray Griffin is just like any other truther. He cherry-picks the data and selectively quotes Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill, why did you say that the FDNY oral histories are "bogus"? Posted by: realtruther
» Can you read, Mister "Truth"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» yes indeed, and I read a few posts up that you say the "bogus 'oral histories'" Posted by: realtruther
» RE: Can you read, Mister "Truth"? Posted by: realtruther
» Yes, hurry, change the subject when caught lying. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Can you read, Mister "Truth"? Posted by: EncinoM
» I can see a huge difference, you mean to tell me you can't? Posted by: realtruther
» RE: I can see a huge difference, you mean to tell me you can't? Posted by: Krotos
» RE: I can see a huge difference, you mean to tell me you can't? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» that's where you're wrong--it's just not as complicated as you seem to think. Posted by: realtruther
» The Oral Histories are Not Bogus, only the Way Griffin Lies about is bogus Posted by: EncinoM
» you're the one cherry picking quotes now! LOL Posted by: realtruther
» RE: you're the one cherry picking quotes now! LOL Posted by: EncinoM
» "I assume now" Posted by: realtruther
» RE: "I assume now" Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: "I assume now" Posted by: realtruther
» Okay... Posted by: EncinoM
» I pulled that eyewitness quote from an unbiased website not my OSS!:) Posted by: realtruther
» RE: I pulled that eyewitness quote from an unbiased website not my OSS!:) Posted by: EncinoM
» BWAHAHAHA! So the smell of kerosene is enough to reduce a 50 ton hydraulic press to rubble? Posted by: realtruther
» here are some more eyewitnesses to/victimsx of explosions in the basements Posted by: realtruther
» ... talk about cherry picking & straw men Posted by: parrhesia
» Elephant in the room Posted by: cedaray1
» Well said, cedaray1, and thank you! Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: How much does it pay? Posted by: D. Shenary
» If your son is as stupid as you are... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Mr. Rich, why are you scared to write about 9/11 TOOTH? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» The Rot is Bipartisan, So the Solutions Must Come from Outside Posted by: DrBrian
» How About Phony "Al-Qaeda" (AL-CIAda) tortured for 9/11...? Posted by: PointMan
» Major 9/11 Breakthrough in Japan, Spectacular Support for Yukihisa Fujita Posted by: LeftWright
» So how come this "support" hasn't been manifested... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: So how come this "support" hasn't been manifested... Posted by: Reader in Japan
» Brunowe, is that you? Posted by: dustdevil
» No, we are all just aspects of your split personalities Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Brunowe, is that you? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: Brunowe, is that you? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: Brunowe, is that you? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» Mr. Rich, the "appalling evil" at this point is American media, you included! Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: How About Phony "Al-Qaeda" (AL-CIAda) tortured for 9/11...? Posted by: EncinoM
» Right, Pointy. Tell us all about "[t]ortured lies from start to finish". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: ight, Pointy. Tell us all about "[t]ortured lies from start to finish". Posted by: D. Shenary
» Yes, can't deal with the truth, change the subject and resort to ad hominems Posted by: GuitarBill
» mad as a tinfoil hatter Posted by: techcafe
» AssHat speaks BS Posted by: PointMan
» It's TROLLS Tweedle-Dee & Tweedle-Dummer (both BUSTED) Posted by: PointMan
» Lying again, Pointy? (Surprise, surprise). And that video proves nothing, too. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GasBag TROLL: do you have ANY idea how Stupid you Sound? Posted by: PointMan
» Again, the only person who spoke on that video was the cameraman. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Here is your fire-fighter, Billy. Posted by: Centavo
» So, what does that prove? Posted by: GuitarBill
» It proves you are dishonest, and intellectually bankrupt. Posted by: Centavo
» I saw that video years ago. It's one man's unverified account. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I don't believe you ever saw it and frankly your opinion about it is yours to have. Posted by: Centavo
» I saw that video years ago, it was all over the web. Posted by: GuitarBill
» "it's one man's unverified account" is your opinion. Others hold a different opinion. Posted by: Centavo
» Yes, just keep changing the subject. How about addressing the videos I presented? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I think we've been talking about Schroeder, you and I. And nothing else. Posted by: Centavo
» Impervious to truth, aren't you? You responded to my post, remember? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Moreover, the film you cite was produced by Dylan Avery (Loose Change). Posted by: GuitarBill
» I accept that you have convinced yourself that what you say is true. I see it differently. Posted by: Centavo
» No, you didn't read the link I provided, which proves Avery is a liar. Posted by: GuitarBill
» No, no, I did go. Cracked.com Tell me, Bill, who funds this 'Cracked.com'? Posted by: Centavo
» RE: No, no, I did go. Cracked.com Tell me, Bill, who funds this 'Cracked.com'? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oldest humor magazines? Cracked Entertainment? This is your reputable source? Posted by: Centavo
» Don't give me that cr*p--you self-righteous conspiranoid lunatic. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Which sources are you refering to? Posted by: Centavo
» Do you know how to use Google, @$$? Or must I do your homework for you, too? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I'm not talking to Google. I'm talking with you, and I'm not a mind reader. Posted by: Centavo
» ah yes, the old "there are tons of sources but i'm not going to give any examples" gambit... LOL Posted by: realtruther
» The truth is that you punks are too lame to do a Google search. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Take your ball and go home. Crybaby. Posted by: Centavo
» Your criticism sure does focus a lot on "Loose Change"! Posted by: realtruther
» Right you are RT. And don't forget Cracked.com. LOL Posted by: Centavo
» I won't Call the Firefighter a Liar, Just Confused 12 + Months after the Fact.. Posted by: EncinoM
» Were you there, in the lobby encinom? Posted by: Centavo
» RE: Were you there, in the lobby encinom? Posted by: EncinoM
» John Schroeders statements do not hold up to what video evidence? Posted by: Centavo
» RE: John Schroeders statements do not hold up to what video evidence? Posted by: EncinoM
» And how do Schroeders statements contradict what you perceive on the Naudet film? Posted by: Centavo
» Here is a detsailed account with the various problems in Schroeder's story Posted by: EncinoM
» Was Mark Roberts in the lobby of the World Trade Center on 9/11? Posted by: Centavo
» Nor was Griffin, Jones or Avery. Posted by: EncinoM
» What facts are we talking about? What liar are you refering too? Posted by: Centavo
» RE: What facts are we talking about? What liar are you refering too? Posted by: EncinoM
» True, but what is important is that Schroeder was giving the answers. Posted by: Centavo
» RE: True, but what is important is that Schroeder was giving the answers. Posted by: EncinoM
» Shroeder was there. You were not. Posted by: Centavo
» Lying about alleged "controlled demolition" again, Pointy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Lying about alleged "controlled demolition" again, Pointy? Posted by: parrhesia
» RE: It's TROLLS Tweedle-Dee & Tweedle-Dummer (both BUSTED) Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: It's TROLLS Tweedle-Dee & Tweedle-Dummer (both BUSTED) Posted by: parrhesia
» Coercive interrogation is not new Posted by: DignityForAll
» RE: Coercive interrogation is not new Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Coercive interrogation is not new Posted by: Reader in Japan
» Little things Posted by: Perry Logan
» That's one of the most brief and most absurd arguments in support of the government's 9/11 story Posted by: LeftWright

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted April 18, 2009.
Paranoid Right-Wingers See Obama's Volunteer Service Project as Sinister Plot to 'Re-Educate' Americans

2009-04-18

» The far right conspiranoid netherworld is the source of all conspiranoid theories.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The far right conspiranoid netherworld is the source of all conspiranoid theories. Posted by: arraya
» Your right and now there is the scary pandemic the conspiracy theorists have warned us about... Posted by: Prophit
» Last year I was a radical leftist now I am a ring nutter. LOL Posted by: arraya
» arraya is a FOOL! Posted by: GuitarBill
» That is a nice pre-packaged list of strawmen you have Bill Posted by: arraya
» Your insanity is confirmed by your conspiranoid nonsense. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: That is a nice pre-packaged list of strawmen you have Bill Posted by: EncinoM
» Forgive GuitarBill Posted by: arraya
» Ex-FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds didn't have the State Secrets Privilege used to Prevent Posted by: ATH
» RE: x-FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds didn't have the State Secrets Privilege used to Prevent-continued Posted by: ATH
» Good list of accurate information regarding 9/11 and economic collapse... they are related. Posted by: arraya
» Perry Logan thinks everybody is dumb... Posted by: arraya
» Yup, you nailed it, Perry. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Lets analyze Guitars Bills Post Posted by: arraya
» You couldn't analyze the back of your hand. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Bill writes a lot but does not say much. Posted by: arraya
» Ruppert is a fraud, and you're a wing nut. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE:GuitarBull is an attention whore. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Great comments Arraya, excellent. I am impressed. Posted by: Prophit
» Let's check one of GB's "sources", shall we? Posted by: LeftWright
» Mike Ruppert is a fraud and an asshat. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - All insults and NO FACTS Posted by: LeftWright
» Great call, Leftwright.... and beautiful counter proofs.... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Good job arraya Posted by: ron heringhauser
» You're not a "conspiracy nut"? You could have fooled me. Posted by: GuitarBill
» OFF-TOPIC!!!!!!! Posted by: Quannah
» Take it up with Perry Logan, Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: GuitarBull running interference. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» We are not off topic, this article begins with "paranoid right wingers..... Posted by: Prophit
» Actually, the best way to handle disinfo agents is to ignore them... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Lets analyze Guitars Bills Post/ Good Job! Posted by: ron heringhauser
» Remember Cheney's secretive "Energy Task Force" meeting pre-9/11 Posted by: arraya
» GuitarBill Says leave the Fed alone! Greenspan says ARMs are great the housing market is sound.. Posted by: arraya
» The FRS lost control of the money supply, interest rates and credit in the early 1990s. Posted by: GuitarBill
» They lost control buy flooding the market with cheap money and deregulating. Posted by: arraya
» No. Control of the system was lost to hedge funds, SIVs, conduits, money funds, etc. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: No. Control of the system was lost to hedge funds, SIVs, conduits, money funds, etc. Posted by: yellow
» RE: They lost control buy flooding the market with cheap money and deregulating. Posted by: yellow
» Don't forget the derivatives bubbles NO ONE EVER MENTIONS... Posted by: Prophit
» Don't forget the Office of National Preparedness and CJCSI 3610.01A Posted by: LeftWright

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted April 18, 2009.
'A Ton More People Were Wiretapped Than We've Been Led to Believe': FBI Whistleblower Thomas Tamm

2009-04-18

» 9/11 brought us wiretapping. Want to stop it? Expose the lies of 9/11!  Posted by: pfgetty
» Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11 Posted by: Aquinas
» "pfgetty" is AlterNet's Number One Troll. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Guitar Bill, AlterNet's newest Number One Fool! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» You're a nut, Lauren. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You're a bull shit artist Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Who belongs in jail? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You are just a sore loser Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I lost nothing. You've proven nothing, nut job. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yep, he's a bull shit artist Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» More spam from Alternet's new Straw King Posted by: LeftWright
» Physics? You 911 "truth" conspiranoids can't prove "free-fall speeds"--you conspiranoid lunatic. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Forget about almost as fast as 'free-fall', look at something else Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Suprised Lauren isn't busy dodging Feinstein's helicopters. Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Brunowe - is that the name Bush gave to your *** Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» The buildings didn't "vaporize thousands of bodies"--you conspiranoid nut. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Forensic Identification of 9/11 Victims Ends - More Than 1,000 Victims Unidentified Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's read the entire article without the conspiranoid spin, shall we? Posted by: GuitarBill
» More lame dodge ball from the spamming straw king of Alternet Posted by: LeftWright
» Without lies and illogic, 9-11 truthiness as nothing to say Posted by: brunowe
» Sonic booms near the ground? Posted by: LeftWright
» So peer-reviewed professional scientists are pathological... Posted by: brunowe
» Scientists who engage in pathological science are pathological... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Scientists who engage in pathological science are pathological... Posted by: brunowe
» Hey Crazy Lauren, you're delusional as usual. Posted by: brunowe
» What happened to the bodies? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You didn't even answer my question, What happened to the bodies? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» "You heard"? All you have is hearsay. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I live in California Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» No, Lauren,I live in California. You, on the other hand, live in LaLa Land. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Where in California, GB? Posted by: LeftWright
» No need for me to debunk you. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I'll take that as an admission that you cannot support your position Posted by: LeftWright
» No you can take it as a refusal to talk to people who are insane. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - The new Alternet spamming straw king with ZERO CREDIBILITY Posted by: LeftWright
» Want zero credibility? Look no further than the 911 "truth" movement Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Strange; a building that size tightly packed in a city not built to withstand hit from airliner, Posted by: sasquuatch55
» How did the concrete get powdered? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: So what was the kinetic energy of the standing building? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» 272 tons of TNT? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 272 tons of TNT with no starter charge does not blow up Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» You're so full-of-crap! More of you conspiranoid straw men? Posted by: GuitarBill
» There you go again with the "no starter charge" nonsense. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - Take it up with NIST Posted by: LeftWright
» More they "came down essentially in free fall", lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - Do you really believe the towers STARTED falling at 202mph? Posted by: LeftWright
» "Physics"? You know nothing about physics, and your post proves it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Same guitarbull crap; different day! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» "Physics, facts and logic"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Stop the presses! Stephen Jones defended! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Steven Jones purchased his "peer reviews". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Larry Silverstein said "pull it", right, conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Bill, how much does Alternet pay you to post? Posted by: Centavo
» Can't debunk Bill's argument? Accuse him of being an AlterNet employee. Posted by: GuitarBill
» No need to be defensive Billy, it was just a question. Got guilt? Posted by: Centavo
» RE: Yup, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh*t. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Bill who is paying you to pimp yourself like this Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Explosions? NO, conspiranoid whack job. Try exploding capacitors and transformers. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You're joking, exploding capacitors, transformers and cigars, oh my Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Posting conspiranoid nonsense as evidence isn't proof, conspiranoid. It's a circle jerk. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: circle jerk as are your mathematical "facts" Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Let's see what the Senior Project Design Engineer for electrical systems for the entire World Trade Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Explosions? Try watching Silverstein PBS interview he admits Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Pull "it" how do you twist the word it to mean removing the fire fighters? Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: GuitarBull reminds me of my bull headed Uncle. He's always.... Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Right On! Posted by: Styve
» RE: 9/11 brought us wiretapping. Want to stop it? Expose the lies of 9/11! Posted by: Centavo
» Now Billy, need I/ they say more? Posted by: godsbreath64
» Insane, much? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr. Billy, Dr Billy Posted by: godsbreath64
» Do you have anything of value to contribute to this thread, scumbag? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Don't call him names Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Don't call him names Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Calculations, I don't need no stinking calculations Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I doubt that you could do them Posted by: brunowe
» You don't need no stinkin' calculations because you can't do the math. Posted by: GuitarBill
» ax2 + bx + c = a complete asshole named Guitar Bill Posted by: Centavo
» RE: Don't hold your breath regarding Alternet and 9/11 truth Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» If you define "reform" as spreading conspiranoid lies and nonsense Posted by: GuitarBill
» Could you confirm some facts for me? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» Fair question Sister_lauren. I have no proof of anything... Posted by: Centavo
» RE: The illegal wiretapping was happening long before 911... Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: Bush and Cheney were appointed by the Supreme court Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Bill and the rules of evidence are proud to announce they are expecting in the fall !! Posted by: godsbreath64
» You really need to put down the bong, god. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Banjo, when did the wheels fall off? Lets start here. Posted by: godsbreath64
» God, master of Gobbledygook, speaks. Posted by: GuitarBill
» They are called naps, Billy. You lay down, close your eyes and you become still. Posted by: godsbreath64
» RE: Now I get Guitarbull, an angry recovering alcoholic. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Media cone of silence, I have a clue Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» What Israel hates most of all? Posted by: weathered
» RE: What Israel hates most of all? Being made a fool of Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: What Israel hates most of all? Being made a fool of Posted by: weathered
» The Bush-Obama National Security State Posted by: DrBrian
» Thank you for reinforcing truth Posted by: LillianB
» RE: The Bush-Obama National Security State Posted by: Aquinas
» Dismantle AIPAC Posted by: weathered
That is a nice pre-packaged list of strawmen you have Bill
Posted by: arraya on Apr 18, 2009 4:46 PM   
Current rating: 2

-Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11.

-Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime."

-Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management. 


Lets analyze Guitars Bills Post
Posted by: arraya on Apr 18, 2009 4:34 PM   
Current rating: 2

This is how propagandists work. They align racism, Aliens and other nonsensical theories with government corruption to keep rational people away. Also, why the hell would Right Wing fanatics blame Bushco with engineering 9/11. That makes no sense at all. 9/11 was to gain control of the second largest oil reserve on earth and put the county in lock down as we head into a controlled economic collapse due to our monetary systems incompatability with our new energy realities.

His whole post is about controlled demolitions and anti-semitism. First, controlled demolitions are completely irrelevant to USG COMPLICITY in 9/11. See Mike Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon.

Second you don't need to be a genius to see the banks have gone crazy and the Fed is the head bank. So it's just common sense. The very structure of our monetary system in a ponzi-scheme. It's coming to an end.

Here is a good article from a LEFT WING paper to give a little insight on the Obama crime crew that Bill is trying to defend.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/barack-obama-crime-boss/

Since taking office, Obama, wittingly or otherwise, has headed the largest criminal enterprise in history — the mass looting of national wealth to enrich his Wall Street benefactors. He assembled a rogue economic team of Clinton/Robert Rubin retreads — to fix the current crisis they engineered.
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You couldn't analyze the back of your hand.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 18, 2009 4:59 PM   
Current rating: 2

arraya writes, "...Also, why the hell would Right Wing fanatics blame Bushco with engineering 9/11."

Listen conspiranoid, 911 conspiranoid theories are united in their conviction that the attacks were self-inflicted by a corrupt U.S. administration. Right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts share a virulent hatred of America, and this hatred is expressed clearly in the 911 "truth" movement.

Moreover, I read the militia websites on 12 September 2001. So I watched the 911 "truth" movement, from its inception to the present.

arraya writes, "...9/11 was to gain control of the second largest oil reserve on earth and put the county in lock down as we head into a controlled economic collapse due to our monetary systems incompatability with our new energy realities."

Spoken like a self-deluded conspiranoid. But feel free to make unfounded accusations, if it makes you feel better.

"...See Mike Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon."

Mike Ruppert is a fraud. I wouldn't trust Mike Ruppert to tell me the time of day--and then I'd verify his answer with three sources.

arraya writes, "...Second you don't need to be a genius to see the banks have gone crazy and the Fed is the head bank."

Too bad you don't know what you're talking about.

The Federal Reserve System is the central banking system of the United States. The FRS is not a bank in the traditional sense of the word. On the contrary, the FRS is the fiscal agent for the U.S. Treasury.

All the "profits" of the FRS (~93%) are returned to the US Treasury, minus ~7%, which is set aside to pay the FRS's operating costs.

Thus the FRS does not charge interest on our money, as right-wing extremist conspiranoids would have us believe.

arraya writes, "...Since taking office, Obama, wittingly or otherwise, has headed the largest criminal enterprise in history — the mass looting of national wealth to enrich his Wall Street benefactors. He assembled a rogue economic team of Clinton/Robert Rubin retreads — to fix the current crisis they engineered."

Well, if nothing else, it's clear, to me at least, that you've never had an original thought in your life.

Ever considered a career as a parrot?

The Conspiranoid Song.


911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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Bill writes a lot but does not say much.
Posted by: arraya on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM   
Current rating: 3

Hey Everybody, Bill Says it should not concern you that Cheney was caught with his hand in the cookie jar pre-9/11. Nothing to see hear move along. He says it's silly to be concerned when somebody writes a foreign policy that requires a New Pearl Harbor and said event happens. Really, they just got lucky.

He also states from his Mike Ruppert scam article that there is no such thing as peak oil, well, I Guess old billy boy thinks it is infinite and that says a lot. It's funny because that is what a lot of right wing freaks think. haha. There are a few hundred scientists, engineers and geologists that disagree with you. ASPO, theoildrum, theenergybulliten, Energy Watch Group in Germany. Even our own energy agency has done a report. Lets see what they said.

The peaking of world oil production presents the U.S. and the world with an unprecedented risk management problem. As peaking is approached, liquid fuel prices and price volatility will increase dramatically, and, without timely mitigation, the economic, social, and political costs will be unprecedented. Viable mitigation options exist on both the supply and demand sides, but to have substantial impact, they must be initiated more than a decade in advance of peaking."
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Actually all it is is an observation and the data is in. Crossing the Rubicon has not been debunked by anybody. Back in 2005 Ruppert said by the end of 2008 we would be in economic collapse. Greenspan said everything was fine. I know, I know he just got lucky.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free /ww3/031005_globalcorp.shtml"
Every country in the world is betting everything it has on this one hand knowing that after 2007 or 2008 the game ends. The map of the future after that is unknowable and, to large extent, irrelevant

Hey Bill, What was the Fed saying back in 2005. Hmmmm

Why don't you write delusional and conspiranoid a few more times. I said nothing but the Fed was incompetent and exacerbated and encouraged the bubble.

It is very obvious to most that our political system is broken beyond repair you can't post a link to refute what most rational people OBSERVE. So stay in you little smoke and mirrors filled partisan political echo chamber. You will be forced out before long.

Retired geologist Colin Campbell (Texaco, BP, Amoco) cautioned:

Throughout history, people have had difficulty in distinguishing reality from illusion. Reality is what happens, whereas illusion is what we would like to happen. Wishful thinking is a well-worn expression. Momentum is still another element: we tend to assume that things keep moving in the same direction.

The world now faces a discontinuity of historic proportions, as nature shows her hand by imposing a new energy reality. There are vested interests on all sides hoping somehow to evade the iron grip of oil depletion, or at least to put it off until after the next election or until they can develop some strategy for their personal or corporate survival. As the moment of truth approaches, so does the heat, the deceptions, the half-truth and the flat out lies.


The poor countries will bear most of the burden [of high oil prices]. But the United States will be in serious difficulties. There is, I fear, a strong danger of some ill-considered military intervention to try to secure oil.
-- Colin Campbell, petrogeologist, Association for the Study of Peak Oil, December 2000

Yes, folks listen to Bill it is delusional to link Iraq to OIL. hahahaha
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Ruppert is a fraud, and you're a wing nut.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 18, 2009 6:19 PM   
Current rating: 2

The article exposes "...the real reason for Ruppert's sudden exodus from the country was not that staying here "would surely mean death," but that he was being investigated on suspicion of having staged the 'burglary' at his new offices in Ashland and he was facing possible arrest and, with that arrest, full exposure as the complete asshat and fraud that he is now and has always been...As far as I can determine at this time, it has not been verified that Ruppert is the prime suspect in the staged “burglary” (unfortunately, the Ashland Police Department declined to comment on the case, citing a department policy that forbids commenting on ongoing investigations), but that seems to be a far more plausible explanation for his abrupt departure than Mikey's breathless claim that he was facing an "imminent threat of death." Indeed, a careful reading of Ruppert's rambling, melodramatic diatribe yields clues that seem to support the theory that Sir Mike did indeed stage the scene at his offices."

Ruppert is an asshat who was born into a family with more intelligence connections than a switchboard. Ruppert is a former LAPD Narcotics Officer with deep CIA connections. Only an idiot would trust him.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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RE:GuitarBull is an attention whore.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 20, 2009 8:56 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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Great comments Arraya, excellent. I am impressed.
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 25, 2009 12:38 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You did a bang up job on Bill. I doubt he will go behind you in the future, and if he does then we know he is a masochist and that speaks volumes.... lol
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Let's check one of GB's "sources", shall we?
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 18, 2009 6:42 PM   
Current rating: 2

GB writes:

Mike Ruppert is a fraud. I wouldn't trust Mike Ruppert to tell me the time of day--and then I'd verify his answer with three sources.

and cites this:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr83.html

as his source for asserting that "Mike Ruppert is a fraud".

Checking that page we find two sentences about Mike Ruppert and this rather lame "conspiracy theory":

The pattern here seems rather clear: contradict the lie that the world is running out of oil, and you end up either dead or exiled to Siberia.

Which the author supports with:

June 22, 2004: Professor Thomas Gold, the West's most vocal and influential proponent of the abiotic origins of hydrocarbons, dies suddenly on the Summer Solstice.

and

August 20, 2004: Green Party activist Walter Sheasby, who six months earlier had penned a piece exposing the true backers of the 'Peak Oil' ruse, dies suddenly, reportedly from the West Nile Virus.

Checking the obits for these two men, we find:

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Thomas "Tommy" Gold, a brilliant and controversial figure in 20th century science and professor emeritus of astronomy at Cornell University, died June 22 at Cayuga Medical Center, Ithaca, N.Y., after a long battle with heart disease. He was 84 years of age.

and

Claremont resident Walter Sheasby, who ran four times for public office and served as editor for "Capitalism Nature Socialism," died of West Nile Virus infection after being hospitalized since August 10. "There was a bitter irony to Walt's death," wrote colleague Joel Kovel in a memorial statement, "as he succumbed at age 62 to complications of West Nile Virus, one of the rogue pathogens kicked into orbit by the destabilization of the ecological crisis against which he focused his formidable talent in the later years of his life."

So, we see that these two men who GB's source says died "suddenly" actually died "after a long battle with heart disease" at age 84 and "succumbed at age 62 to complications of West Nile Virus" after 10 days in the hospital.

When the intellectually bankrupt can't counter the truth with facts, they resort to lame ridicule backed by even more pathetic "sources".

As I've said before, GB, you have ZERO credibility with 99% of the readers at Alternet and this lame citation further underscores that point.

[btw, GB, you may want to have a look at this: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr67.html ]

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.
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Mike Ruppert is a fraud and an asshat.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 18, 2009 7:15 PM   
Current rating: 2

Demonstrating the breadth and depth of your stupidity once again, conspiranoid?

The article exposes "...the real reason for Ruppert's sudden exodus from the country was not that staying here "would surely mean death," but that he was being investigated on suspicion of having staged the 'burglary' at his new offices in Ashland and he was facing possible arrest and, with that arrest, full exposure as the complete asshat and fraud that he is now and has always been...As far as I can determine at this time, it has not been verified that Ruppert is the prime suspect in the staged “burglary” (unfortunately, the Ashland Police Department declined to comment on the case, citing a department policy that forbids commenting on ongoing investigations), but that seems to be a far more plausible explanation for his abrupt departure than Mikey's breathless claim that he was facing an "imminent threat of death." Indeed, a careful reading of Ruppert's rambling, melodramatic diatribe yields clues that seem to support the theory that Sir Mike did indeed stage the scene at his offices."

Ruppert is an asshat and a fraud--a distinction you hold as well.


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The Conspiranoid Song.

911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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GB - All insults and NO FACTS
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 19, 2009 4:27 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Go to his source:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

and you'll find that "dave" is a conspiracy theorist, too! Here's a small sample from his "newsletter #67":

From my perspective, there have always been three particularly productive avenues of research into the events of September 11, 2001, each of which has yielded a compelling body of evidence that strongly suggests that the attacks that day were a production staged by the Washington establishment, and certainly not a surprise attack by Islamic 'terrorists,' nor an anticipated attack by Islamic 'terrorists,' nor a 'terrorist' plot that was co-opted by elements of our intelligence agencies, nor the work of some foreign government (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Israel, Pakistan or China), nor any other explanation that invokes incompetence, neglect, limited U.S. involvement by some 'rogue cabal,' or desperate finger pointing at others.

Those three evidence trails have led to three nearly inescapable conclusions, each of which poses serious problems for those with a vested interest in selling the official mythology of what happened that day:

1. The perfectly symmetrical and total collapse of three commercial highrise office buildings that day (WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7), the first such collapses in history, can only be explained as controlled demolitions, requiring a considerable amount of advance planning, preparation, expertise and access.
2. The nation with the world's most formidable military apparatus, and with the world's most advanced air defense system, failed in every way imaginable to respond to the attacks, and failed to follow the most basic, routine, automatic procedures for responding to emergency situations. Not only did the Air Force and civil defense systems fail to respond, despite having more than ample time to do so, but the purported commander-in-chief also failed to respond, as did his staff and security detail, and all of his underlings.
3. It is impossible to reconcile the documented damage to the Pentagon with the notion that it was struck by a 757 passenger jet. Evidence instead indicates that it was either struck by a missile (and not one launched from a cave in Afghanistan), or taken out with explosives planted within the building.

Could you be any more intellectually bankrupt, GB?

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.
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Great call, Leftwright.... and beautiful counter proofs....
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 25, 2009 12:41 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

... Bill is the boy sent in to do a mans job and flubs it like a baby....Good for you. 


By William Astore, Tomdispatch.com. Posted April 20, 2009.
Will Afghanistan Be Worse Than Vietnam? 7 Tough Questions to Ask Obama Before He Sinks Us Into a New Quagmire

2009-04-20

» Obama continuing the lie that is 9/11.........we must conquer Afghanistan  Posted by: pfgetty
» "Fear! 911! Terror! 911! Terrorist! 911! Fear! Terror! Fear! 911!" Posted by: GuitarBill
» You are a weirdo! Posted by: pfgetty
» That, from the human broken record (NT) Posted by: brunowe
» More lame spam from Alternet's new straw king Posted by: LeftWright
» Desperate? No, making a mockery of 911 "truth" trolls is more like it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: More lame spam from Alternet's new straw king Posted by: EncinoM
» Yo, Mr. "Physics". I'm still waiting for you to prove that the WTC towers fell at "free-fall speed". Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - Do you really believe the towers STARTED falling at 202mph? Posted by: LeftWright
» "Physics"? You know nothing about physics, and your post proves it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Here, this should be easy Posted by: GuitarBill
» could the top of the north tower destroy the rest? Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: could the top of the north tower destroy the rest? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: could the top of the north tower destroy the rest? Posted by: cplot
» EncinoM continues to push the "pancake theory" which NIST rejected! Posted by: LeftWright
» Cherry pickin' the NIST Report again, jackass? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - show where NIST supports the "pancake theory" regarding the WTC demolitions? Posted by: LeftWright
» Once again, when GB has no factual basis for his assertions, he RUNS AWAY Posted by: LeftWright
» Typical "truther". Start from a false premise. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The problem you mention has nothing to do with velocity, but rather distance. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Don't you get it, genius? I set a trap for you. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Spin away, straw king. I ignored your "trap" as I ignore most of your BS Posted by: LeftWright
» No, Mr. "Physics", you missed a simple divide by 2--period. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your problem has to do with acceleration, and the fact that you still don't grasp the concept, Posted by: LeftWright
» Now, you're changing the subject. The problem was distance, as I proved. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Calculator broken, GB, or just afraid to do the math? Posted by: LeftWright
» Last chance, GB, is "free fall" velocity or acceleration? Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's talk about "credibility", shall we? Posted by: GuitarBill
» More straw from Alternet's new Straw King Posted by: LeftWright
» You don't know anything about math or physics, so how would you know if Jones is lying to you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Keep baling straw, GB, if it makes you feel better. Posted by: LeftWright
» You've never proven you can do math Posted by: GuitarBill
» You have yet to demonstrate any knowledge of basic physics, Posted by: LeftWright
» Is "free fall" velocity or acceleration, GB, do the calculations Posted by: LeftWright
» %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» I'm feeling generous, one last chance to do the calcs... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Obama continuing the lie that is 9/11.........we must conquer Afghanistan Posted by: EncinoM
» Credible forensic evidence of explosive incendiaries at the WTC Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Credible forensic evidence of explosive incendiaries at the WTC Posted by: EncinoM
» Dr. Steven E. Jones - Posted by: LeftWright

By William Greider, The Nation. Posted April 24, 2009.
Testicular Politics: Obama Is Getting Punked By the Big Dogs of Banking, Does He Have the Balls to Do What's Right?

2009-04-24

» Lying again, "prophit"? Tim Geithner never worked for Goldman Sachs.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» So what? Working under Gerald Corrigan at the NY Fed doesn't make Geithner a Goldman Sachs employee.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» I debunked this cr*p last week. That's an Op-Ed not a policy paper--you lunatic.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» Cherry-picking another news article?  Posted by: GuitarBill
» So, is this how your conspiranoid disinformation routine works, "Prophit"?  Posted by: GuitarBill
» The bankers are wimps. I did 911. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More "CFR" conspiranoid cr*p from the RenseMonkey.  Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill = Spammer /TROLL Posted by: Lara1967
» Lara1967 = Extremist/Right-wing nut. Posted by: GuitarBill

By Jeremy Scahill, Rebel Reports. Posted May 7, 2009.
After U.S. Strikes, Afghans Describe 'Tractor Trailers Full of Pieces of Human Bodies'

2009-05-07

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» RE: Silly villagers Posted by: villager1
» RE: Irony alert. Posted by: oregoncharles
» This is a smear aganist Obama! Posted by: eeezzz
» Memo, what memo? Posted by: truthlover
» Math for Neocons Posted by: DrBrian
» oops, typo Posted by: DrBrian
» RE: Math for Neocons Posted by: andrushka
» And it all happens, Jeremy, because of you. When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And it all happens, Jeremy, because of you. When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: andrushka
» When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: rt968
» Good point andrushka Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Good point andrushka Posted by: tony_opmoc
» Well where are you Guitar Bill Posted by: Zimbly
» Hold on! Just a minute. I can't find my tin foil hat! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Tony, concerning Dave McGowan. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Good point andrushka Posted by: chorton
» RE: And it all happens, Jeremy, because of you. When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: rinthy
» The U.S. military would not be occupying Afghanistan were it not for the big lie of 9/11 Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: And it all happens, Jeremy, because of you. When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: jenko
» Interesting site, jenko, a preliminary critique... Posted by: LeftWright
» I'm now reading the pdf version Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, David L. Griscom. Posted by: GuitarBill
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Kevin Barrett. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB - Don't expect me to defend Dr. Barrett, he's a loose cannon Posted by: LeftWright
» I don't expect you defend anyone, you twit. Posted by: GuitarBill
» William Christison - Former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis Posted by: LeftWright
» Melvin Goodman, PhD - Former Division Chief of the CIA's Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst Posted by: LeftWright
» Raymond L. McGovern – 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. Posted by: LeftWright
» Robert David Steele (Vivas) – U.S. Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years.  Posted by: LeftWright
» Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations. Posted by: LeftWright
» Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI.  24-year FBI career Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Eric Hufschmid, the Godfather of 911 "truth". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Terrell (Terry) E. Arnold, MA – Former Deputy Director, Office of Counter-Terrorism, State Dept. Posted by: LeftWright
» Angelo M. Codevilla, PhD – Former U.S. State Department Foreign Service Officer Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Christopher Bollyn. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001 Posted by: LeftWright
» Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980. Posted by: LeftWright
» What's the problem, LeftWrong? Upset because the 911 "truth" movement is connected to anti-Semites? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian and associate of nutter David Ray Griffin. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Sofia Shafquat. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Senator Mark Dayton – Former U.S. Senator from Minnesota 2001 - 2006. Posted by: LeftWright
» Hurry, LeftWrong, and bury my posts before I expose more "truthers" as anti-Semites! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible, Claremont School of Theology Posted by: LeftWright
» Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible. So what does that prove? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible. So what does that prove? Posted by: jenko
» "guilt by association"? BS! 911 "truth" is the procuct of right-wing extremist, Eric Hufschmid, liar Posted by: GuitarBill
» Senator Patrick Leahy, JD – U.S. Senator from Vermont 1974 - present.  Chairman, Judiciary Committee Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and anti-Semite, Uncle Fetzer (aka., Jim Fetzer). Posted by: GuitarBill
» Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan Posted by: LeftWright
» You mean the same Paul Craig Roberts who is beloved by disinfo peddler, Jeff "the wig" Rense? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush Posted by: LeftWright
» Hurry, LeftWrong, and bury my posts before I expose more "truthers" as anti-Semites! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Rabbi Michael Lerner, PhD – Rabbi of Beyt Tikkun in San Francisco.  Posted by: LeftWright
» Rabbi Michael Lerner? Surprise, surprise. Posted by: GuitarBill
» J. Michael Springmann – Former career Foreign Service Officer with the State Department Posted by: LeftWright
» Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Posted by: LeftWright
» Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator Posted by: LeftWright
» Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Posted by: LeftWright
»  Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions Posted by: LeftWright
» Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Posted by: LeftWright
» Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS , U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Posted by: LeftWright
» Yes, Silverstein conspired with the FDNY Fire Commander to demolish WTC 7. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The only liars are Mr. Silverstein and you (others may simply be confused or mistaken) Posted by: LeftWright
» Lair. You're a joke. Posted by: GuitarBill
» My sincere apology, genius, I forgot your link, which proves you're full of "LeftWrong". Posted by: GuitarBill
» The "owner" of the WTC wasn't Larry Silverstien, liar, it's the NY and NJ Port Authority. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Keep spinning, straw king, you're only fooling yourself Posted by: LeftWright
» Come on, @$$, tell us how Silverstein conspired with the FDNY Fire Commander to demolish WTC7. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nice straw castle you're spinning there, GB Posted by: LeftWright
» So, now you're threatening me, tough guy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Until you can put a name to Silverstein's "FNDY Fire Commander", it's worthless Posted by: LeftWright
» That should read: Until you can put a name to Silverstein's "FDNY Fire Commander", it's worthless Posted by: LeftWright
» Your BS is disproven by Dan Nigro himself: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Actually, Chief Nigro's statement proves Mr. Silverstein is lying, as I showed above Posted by: LeftWright
» Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot.  Former Air Combat Instructor, Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Judy Wood, Ph.D Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ahhhhhhhhh...much better..now thats more like it Posted by: Zimbly
» I'd love to ask how old you are; unfortunately, I know you can't count that high. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Banjo Fred Breaks a String Posted by: mdarlinggg
» Really? No kidding, genius. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: And it all happens, Jeremy, because of you. When will you expose the lies of 911? Posted by: jenko
» jenko - if you're interested in investigating the events of 9/11/01, start here: Posted by: LeftWright
» Obama should stand trial beside Bush Posted by: ronniejw
» RE: Obama should stand trial beside Bush Posted by: Zeugitai
» Just turn the flag upside down and tell everyone why (n/t) Posted by: LeftWright
» Satan is Among Us - And He is Even Worse Than Bush, Cheney And Blair Posted by: tony_opmoc
» This information cannot possibly be true! Posted by: eeezzz
» Change? Posted by: inactionot
» RE: Change? Posted by: Zeugitai
» There has been Change - Things have got Considerably Worse Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: There has been Change - Things have got Considerably Worse Posted by: SocoLoco
» RE: There has been Change - Things have got Considerably Worse Posted by: sunnywater
» The Hearts and Minds of the Afghan People Posted by: US Citizen
» Yeah. Democrat and republican sponsored bombs are pretty sh_tty. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Israel's gifts to America Posted by: weathered
» billybookworm Posted by: billybookworm
» RE: billybookworm Posted by: kelethian
» The Vote for Change...for me it meant the end of Bush... Posted by: picket
» NO WAR NO KILLING NO MO Posted by: Birdland
» deeply regretted the loss of civilian life Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: deeply regretted the loss of civilian life Posted by: jaglover
» RE: deeply regretted the loss of civilian life Posted by: Zeugitai
» jaglover - I suggest you actually learn something about the events of 9/11 Posted by: LeftWright
» wise up Posted by: sunnywater
» War is Hell Posted by: jaglover
» RE: War is Hell Posted by: chorton
» Nice try - after all collateral damage is just "body parts." Posted by: eeezzz
» Just because you were a soldier, doesn't mean you were... Posted by: leafsong1
» LeftWright, eeezzz, Zeugitai and leafsong1: Posted by: chorton
» We ARE all brothers and sisters, that's why we have to keep talking Posted by: LeftWright
» Mr. Posted by: royjwind
» RE: "We Gotta Do What We Gotta Do" Posted by: ZPaul
» Where are all the Obama worshippers when he is being attacked like this? Posted by: eeezzz
» Brian boru Posted by: brian boru
» In defense of Obama... Posted by: dover23
» RE: In defense of Obama... Posted by: jenko
» Perhaps the worst part of this for Americans... Posted by: leafsong1
» Spending tens of billions of dollars to make things even worse Posted by: Garvagh
» Just created Another Bunch of Taliban Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Just created Another Bunch of Taliban Posted by: Captainmagic
» Ya gotta wonder Posted by: willymack
» War was extraterrestrial in design... Posted by: thinktank Evolution
» 9/11 Truthers Perpetuate War! Posted by: thinktank Evolution
» How does exposing the roots of the war game perpetuate war? Posted by: LeftWright
» America has learned nothing Posted by: sicntired
» Vietnam, anyone? Posted by: badkitty
» If you don't like war... Posted by: Dboy


Good point andrushka
Posted by: pfgetty on May 8, 2009 4:45 AM   
Current rating: 5

Well, good point.
But my idea is to try to get Alternet, and the writers found on this site, to realize we KNOW they are purposely ignoring 9/11. They should KNOW that many of us see that their avoidance of this topic is the reason we have the horrors of these wars and torturing and wiretapping and all the rest that they report on.

I think Alternet and the writers need to be reminded that they cannot just shove the truth of 9/11 under the carpet as if the truth does no longer exist. Just because they have effectively ensured that almost all Americans believe a fairytale, doesn't mean the fairytale is true.

They need to know that it is immoral, unprofessional, and even possibly treasonous to know what brought us 9/11 and all of its aftermath, and not tell us.
The evidence is glaring and available, but they ignore it.

But you are right, and we need to pass around the information.
But I don't feel I can do an adequate job of presenting so much evidence. There is so much out there on DVD's books and websites, and it wouldn't do the real story justice for me to half-assed tell about some of it.
I am just not as good a writer as the people who SHOULD be writing this stuff, and I am not even as well informed about it as real journalists would be if they studied it. And I really don't have that much time to sit and find the information and be perfectly accurate in order to ward off those trolls like GuitarBill.

Every American should look into this story, though. Some good places to start are some DVD's.......also on Youtube. Like Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries and Zero: 9/11 (my favorite). There are great videos from Steven Jones and also Richard Gage on the physics of the collapse of the WTC. The best websites are www.911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org
911blogger.blogspot.com
911debunkers.blogspot.org
podcasts from Visibility 911 with Michael Wolsey, who also has a website.....I think it is www.visibility911.org (google it if this doesn't work)
and google Patriots Question 9/11

Everyone: Please seek the information these sites provide.
Until the American people demand it, we will never have the truth and will suffer the consequences of the lies.
And join us in the search for truth.
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RE: Good point andrushka
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 8, 2009 5:23 AM   
Current rating: 4

pfgetty,

I think you personally are doing a brilliant job.
And to be fair to Alternet, whilst they have yet to allow a true headline article to be published on 9/11, they do allow you and others to post your views freely.

What you need to consider, is that if Alternet did publish the truth about 9/11 in headline form, then they would probably not only lose most of their sponsorship, but they might also lose their advertising.

Because it actually costs real money to run Alternet in its current form, if the funds were withdrawn then the site would almost certainly close and we wouldn't be able to read your posts.

Don't get too obsessed though. 9/11 has a history of sending people nuts. You are just one of Millions who already know the truth.

I don't know of anyone - who once they have anaysed all the facts themselves and become convinced that the official Government story is blatantly untrue - who has actually changed their mind back to believe the official story.

So Guitarbill et al can post their nonsense ad-infinitum - and it won't make the slightest difference to people who have already analysed the event themselves.

As Guitarbill has already quoted an article from The Center for an Informed America with regards to Michael Ruppert the Peak Oil Freak (with which I happen to agree - Peak Oil is a fraud) - he should actually read what that website says about 9/11 and other issues. The guy who wrote it was very accurate almost right from the start. He eventually gave up and is now obsessed with hippies. Maybe someone got to him.

Tony
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Well where are you Guitar Bill
Posted by: Zimbly on May 8, 2009 7:37 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Bill, Bill, Bill... pfgetty has just spawned a 911 comment and I don't see you ...please don't let pfgetty "get away with this".

If you do, your fired.

Lets start the Blog Wars
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Hold on! Just a minute. I can't find my tin foil hat!
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 9:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

%^)
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Tony, concerning Dave McGowan.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 9:28 AM   
Current rating: 1

Tony writes, "...he (GuitarBill) should actually read what that website says about 9/11 and other issues."

Presumptuous, aren't you?

In fact, I have read Dave McGowan's stuff on 911, and I don't agree with him.

That doesn't mean that McGowan's research on Mikey "once a CIA operative, always a CIA operative" Ruppert is invalid.

Dave and I simply agree to disagree on 911.

To Dave's credit, however, he doesn't make off-topic comments to blogs and forums expounding his mistaken view's on the events of 911.

Big difference.

%^)
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RE: Good point andrushka
Posted by: chorton on May 8, 2009 10:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Well said, Tony.

pfgetty, keep on pushing, but pace yourself and trust the people. Consider and take to heart the words of Pete Seeger, who has seen a lot in his 90 years:

"Imagine a big see-saw, with a basketful of rocks sitting on one end. That end is down on the ground. At the other end, up in the air, is a basket half full of sand. Some of us are trying to fill it, using teaspoons. Most folks laugh at us: “Don’t you know the sand is leaking out even as you put it in?” We say that’s true, but we’re getting more people with more teaspoons all the time. One of these days that basket of sand will be full and you’ll see this whole see-saw just tip the opposite way.

"People will say, “Gee how did it happen so suddenly?”

"Us, and our goddam teaspoons."

- Pete Seeger 


Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, David L. Griscom.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 10:51 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, David L. Griscom.

David L. Griscom, Ph.D, is an interesting character to say the least.

When Dr. Griscom is not busy modeling straight jackets for Federal mental health institutions, he can be found formulating wild and offensive conspiranoid theories on everything from "Arizona election fraud" to 911 "truth".

For example, Dr. Griscom wrote the following:

"...the passengers boarded under their true names. Indeed, the seat occupancies on all four aircraft allegedly hijacked on 9/11 were very much lower that industry average...So, here I extend my 'all passengers survived' postulate to all four 9/11 'hijacked' flights on the notion that this small number of passengers might have been considered by conspirators as the minimum number for public credulity, while at the same time not exceeding the maximum number of 'true believers in the cause' willing to accept long separations from their loved ones (sweetened by handsome Swiss bank accounts)."

Got it, dear reader?

Todd Beamer, the guy who allegedly perished on board flight 93 and the remaining passengers on the four hijacked planes are living the high-life in Bali, while they tap their lavish Swiss Bank accounts provided by the shadowy, nefarious 911 conspirators.

%^)

Nothing strange or offensive about that, I suppose.

Unfortunately, Dr. Griscom has so far failed to explain to the families of those who perished on the hijacked planes that their relatives were not victims of a terrorist act, but co-conspirators.



And that concludes this week's profile of Dr. David L. Griscom, GuitarBill's Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)





The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start:
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 12:00 PM   
Current rating: 3

Web sites:

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

This site has statements from over one thousand very credible people who all question the government's conspiracy theory and support a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

http://www.historycommons.org /project.jsp?project=911_project

(please close the space following ".org")

This site compiles mainstream news media information regarding the events of 9/11/01.

http://911research.wtc7.net/

This is one of the first sites to critically examine the events of 9/11/01. It remains one of the best, especially in regard to the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

This site takes a close look at the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 and is supported by over 640 licensed architects and certified engineers.

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

This site closely examines what took place with the planes on 9/11/01 and is supported by a growing list of pilots, most of whom have extensive experience flying large commercial aircraft, as well as military aircraft.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

This site is run by firefighters who ask why there was no credible fire investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 and who support a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

http://stj911.org/

This site takes an academic approach to investigating the events of 9/11/01 and presents numerous peer-reviewed papers on various topics related to that tragic day. Everything from the physical and chemical evidence of controlled demolition at the World Trade Center to the psychological aspects related to the events is presented by credentialed scholars with years of experience in their respective fields.

Films:

9/11:Press For Truth

9/11: The Myth and the Reality

ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11

9/11: Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction

Books:

Towers of Deception by Barrie Zwicker

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin

9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press by David Ray Griffin

The Terror Timeline edited by Paul Thompson

The War On Truth by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

America's “War On Terrorism” by Michel Chossudovsky

Feel free to ask me about these or any other resources regarding the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Kevin Barrett.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 12:16 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Kevin Barrett.

Kevin Barrett--a member of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (founder, Uncle Fetzer) and friend of fellow Holocaust Denier, right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi, Christopher Bollyn--just happens to be the first professor to employ 9-11 nuttery in a college-level course on Islam.

Kevin Barrett just can't buy that Holocaust thing, as the following passage demonstrates:

"...As someone who has studied the history of Zionist Big Lies vis-a-vis Palestine, I cannot possibly dismiss the arguments of people like Green, Irving, and even Zundel. And even if the 6-million-deliberately-murdered-for-purely-ethnic-reasons figure is correct--which it very well may be; I have grown agnostic on that after studying the Big Lies of Zionism--I would still have to characterize the Holocaust as it is taught in the US as a hideously destructive myth."

Kevin Barrett is a good friend of Sofia Shafquat, the producer of 9-11 Mysteries: Demolitions. Sofia Shafquat is connected to a fine fellow [cough] named Eric Hufschmid, who just happens to be a vicious anti-Semite. Thus, it should come as no surprise that Ms. Shafquat peddles the DVD and Book of the Ernst Zundel Story. Ernst Zundel, the reader should be aware, is major figure in Holocaust Denial circles.

My, what a tangled web 911 "truthers" weave when they first practice to deceive.

%^)



And that concludes this week's profile of Kevin Barrett, GuitarBill's Runner-Up Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.






The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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GB - Don't expect me to defend Dr. Barrett, he's a loose cannon
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 2:42 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

and has marginalized himself within the larger 9/11 truth movement.

Your desperate attempts to smear the 9/11 truth movement with people on its fringes just underscores how desperate you are and highlights the fact that you have no substantive argument.

Your pathetic rhetorical tactics only serve to maintain your credibility at ZERO.
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I don't expect you defend anyone, you twit.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 9, 2009 2:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Defending the indefensible--911 "truth"--is, by definition, pointless--you intellectually bankrupt charlatan.

So, where's your math, motor-mouth?

%^)
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William Christison - Former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:07 PM   
Current rating: 4

"I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. ... The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them."

William Christison - Former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, overseeing 250 CIA analysts. 29-year CIA veteran.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Melvin Goodman, PhD - Former Division Chief of the CIA's Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:15 PM   
Current rating: 3

"The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup. I don't know how else to describe it."

- Melvin Goodman, PhD - Former Division Chief of the CIA's Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Raymond L. McGovern – 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:21 PM   
Current rating: 3

"I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up.  The 9/11 report is a joke.  The question is: What’s being covered up?  Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? … Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions.  And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. … I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter], former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11.  The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11.  That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that’s certainly an impeachable offense."

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, which, according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, "are the Intelligence Community’s most authoritative written judgments on national security issues." Responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Robert David Steele (Vivas) – U.S. Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years. 
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:28 PM   
Current rating: 1

"I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war, and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations. ...

This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism....

I sit here, a 54-year old, liberally educated, two graduate degrees, war college, a life overseas, 150 IQ or so, the number #1 Amazon reviewer for non-fiction, a former Marine Corps infantry officer, a former CIA clandestine case officer, founder of the Marine Corps Intelligence Center, and I have to tell anyone who cares to read this: I believe it. I believe it enough to want a full investigation that passes the smell test of the 9/11 families as well as objective outside observers."


"The U.S. government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over," said Steele adding, "I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated.  There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition."

Robert David Steele (Vivas) – U.S. Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years.  Second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992 and a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University.   Also former clandestine services case officer with the CIA.  25-year U.S. military and intelligence career.  Currently Founder and CEO of OSS.net and a proponent of Open Source Intelligence.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:32 PM   
Current rating: 1

"There are enough discrepancies and unanswered questions in the 9/11 Commission Report that under a friendly administration, the 9/11 investigation should be re-opened."

Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations.  Awarded Career Intelligence Medal.  21-year CIA veteran.  Best-selling author, screenwriter, and actor.  Academy Award-winning Syriana was based on Baer's memoir See No Evil.  Writer and on-camera presenter for Emmy Award-nominated documentary Cult of the Suicide Bomber.  Author of two nonfiction books about CIA operations, See No Evil (2002) and Sleeping with the Devil (2004) and the novel Blow the House Down (2007).

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI.  24-year FBI career
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:42 PM   
Current rating: 1

"The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause. ...

When, in a desperate 11th hour measure to bypass the FBIHQ roadblock, the Minneapolis Division undertook to directly notify the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center (CTC), FBIHQ personnel actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval ...

I know I shouldn't be flippant about this, but jokes were actually made that the key FBIHQ personnel had to be spies or moles, like Robert Hansen, who were actually working for Osama Bin Laden to have so undercut Minneapolis' effort."
"And what I did was, I think, I put the first good dent in the blanket defense that for 8 and a half, 9 months, was holding - that 9/11 could not have been prevented.

... we were all settling for, ‘9/11 could not have been prevented’, it was ‘hindsight’. Condi Rice, "Well, no one could have ever imagined that someone would fly…" and of course, when she says that, she’s disregarding a whole bunch of things. People are letting her get away with it. She’s disregarding the fact of two or three prior incidents of people trying to fly planes into buildings, attempted takeovers of cockpits…We’re also ignoring the fact that in Minneapolis [FBI office], the acting supervisor, arguing with [FBI] headquarters said, ‘This is a guy [Zacarias Moussaoui] that could fly a plane into the World Trade Center’ on August 22nd!"

Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI.  24-year FBI career.  Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year for revealing FBI headquarters' efforts to "throw up roadblocks and undermine" FBI field investigations of Al Qaeda operatives in the four weeks prior to 9/11.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Eric Hufschmid, the Godfather of 911 "truth".
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 1:53 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Eric Hufschmid, the Godfather of 911 "truth".

Let's take another look at the connections between Holocaust Denial and 911 "truth", shall we?

Eric Hufschmid is an interesting character, of that there's no doubt.

When Mr. Hufschmid is not busy purchasing Nazi memorabilia at NRA-sponsored gun events, he can be found Denying the Holocaust and formulating blood-libels against anyone he perceives as "Jewish".

Eric Hufschmid, the reader should note, was the first AmeriKKKan to publish a book on the events of 911 titled, Painful Questions, which was first published in 2002. Thus, Eric Hufschmid is no less than the Godfather of the American 911 "truth" movement.

Eric Hufschmid is also a vicious anti-Semite and Holocaust denier.

Mr. Hufschmid writes,

"...We are told that the blue stains are proof that human beings were killed in this room by cyanide. However, photos do not prove that people were killed in the room, or how many people, who which people, or why they were killed. Actually, photos do not prove the blue stains are from cyanide! Even if the blue stains are from cyanide, there is no evidence that human beings were killed in that room. It may have been a disinfection chamber. Or maybe the room held chemicals, and the blue stains are due to splattering or leaky containers."

%^)

Of course, it would be unfair of me to point out that there's nothing strange or offensive about that, I suppose.

Thus, I've proven, once again, that the source of all conspiranoid theories--including 911 "truth"--are loony right-wing extremists, in this case Eric Hufschmid.


And that concludes this week's profile of Eric Hufschmid, GuitarBill's Runner up Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)



The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat... , GuitarBill's Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)
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Terrell (Terry) E. Arnold, MA – Former Deputy Director, Office of Counter-Terrorism, State Dept.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 1:58 PM   
Current rating: 1

"More than five years after the fact, Washington leadership keeps the American people fixated on the events of 9/11. They have brought us no closer than we were on September 12, 2001 to resolving how it was executed and by what enemy. They tell us repeatedly that it was the work of al Qaida, but they have yet to show us the proofs. They told us the official version of what happened that day, but their story is laced with contradictions, and the facts visible on the ground at the time belie much of the official account. Our leadership gave us a Sopranos blank screen ending to a terrible tragedy, while working below the radar to avoid our established laws and slowly to destroy our democratic institutions. Every American must look carefully at the pattern of decay that began with 9/11. ...

As an alleged post 9/11 defense, the War on Terrorism is a gigantic fraud. ...

We cannot let a single criminal act, the facts and perpetrators of which are still obscure, destroy our society. With all respect due to those who lost family and friends in the attacks of 9/11, there is no evident search for justice, truth or our future safety in the US government actions outlined in this paper. Instead we are watching the most brutal power games of our times that benefit the few at the expense of the rest of us." 

Terrell (Terry) E. Arnold, MA – Former Deputy Director, Office of Counter-Terrorism and Emergency Planning, U.S. State Department. Former Chairman, Department of International Studies, National War College. Graduate of the National War College. Retired Senior Foreign Service Officer of the U.S. Department of State. He has served as a security and crisis management consultant for several Fortune 500 companies. He also served as a crisis management consultant for several Federal agencies, including The State Department, the Department of Defense, the U.S. Customs Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. U.S. Navy veteran of World War II and Korean conflict. Author, co-author, and editor of Fighting Back: Winning the War Against Terrorism (1986), Beyond the Iran-Contra Crisis : The Shape of U. S. Anti-Terrorism Policy in the Post-Reagan Era (1988), The Violence Formula: Why People Lend Sympathy and Support to Terrorism (1990), Think About Terrorism: The New Warfare (1991), A World Less Safe: Essays on Conflict in the 21st Century (2005).

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Angelo M. Codevilla, PhD – Former U.S. State Department Foreign Service Officer
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 2:09 PM   
Current rating: 3

"Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his. Hence there is reason to ask whether the paradigm of Osama bin Laden as terrorism's deus ex machina and of al Qaeda as the prototype of terrorism may be an artifact of our Best and Brightest's imagination, and whether investment in this paradigm has kept our national security establishment from thinking seriously about our troubles' sources. So let us take a fresh look at the fundamentals.

Negative evidence alone compels the conclusion that Osama is long since dead. Since October 2001, when Al Jazeera's Tayseer Alouni interviewed him, no reputable person reports having seen him—not even after multiple-blind journeys through intermediaries. The audio and video tapes alleged to be Osama's never convinced impartial observers. The guy just does not look like Osama. Some videos show him with a Semitic aquiline nose, while others show him with a shorter, broader one. Next to that, differences between colors and styles of beard are small stuff.

Nor does the tapes' Osama sound like Osama. In 2007 Switzerland's Dalle Molle Institute for Artificial Intelligence, which does computer voice recognition for bank security, compared the voices on 15 undisputed recordings of Osama with the voices on 15 subsequent ones attributed to Osama, to which they added two by native Arab speakers who had trained to imitate him and were reading his writings. All of the purported Osama recordings (with one falling into a gray area) differed clearly from one another as well as from the genuine ones. By contrast, the CIA found all the recordings authentic. It is hard to imagine what methodology might support this conclusion.

Also in 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, who heads Duke University's religious studies program, argued in a book on Osama's messages that their increasingly secular language is inconsistent with Osama's Wahhabism. Lawrence noted as well that the Osama figure in the December 2001 video, which many have taken as his assumption of responsibility for 9/11, wears golden rings—decidedly un-Wahhabi. He also writes with the wrong hand. Lawrence concluded that the messages are fakes, and not very good ones. The CIA has judged them all good.

Above all, whereas Elvis impersonators at least sing the King's signature song, "You ain't nutin' but a hound dawg," the words on the Osama tapes differ substantively from what the real Osama used to say—especially about the most important matter. On September 16, 2001, on Al Jazeera, Osama said of 9/11: "I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation." Again, in the October interview with Tayseer Alouni, he limited his connection with 9/11 to ideology: "If they mean, or if you mean, that there is a link as a result of our incitement, then it is true. We incite…" But in the so-called "confession video" that the CIA found in December, the Osama figure acts like the chief conspirator. The fact that the video had been made for no self-evident purpose except perhaps to be found by the Americans should have raised suspicion. Its substance, the celebratory affirmation of a responsibility for 9/11 that Osama had denied, should also have weighed against the video's authenticity. Why would he wait to indict himself until after U.S. forces and allies had secured Afghanistan? But the CIA acted as if it had caught Osama red-handed."

Angelo M. Codevilla, PhD – Former U.S. State Department Foreign Service Officer specializing in U.S. intelligence operations in Western Europe. Member of President-Elect Ronald Reagan's Transition Team within the State Department and principal author of the team's report on intelligence.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Christopher Bollyn.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 2:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Christopher Bollyn.

Let's take another look at the connections between Holocaust Denial and 911 "truth", shall we?

Christopher Bollyn is an interesting character with an interesting past. He's a former "investigative journalist" for the extremist right-wing, anti-Semitic tabloid Spotlight, now re-named American Free Press.

When Mr. Bollyn is not busy reading Mein Kampf, he can be found collaberating with conspiranoid whack job David Ray Griffin, who sources Christopher Bollyn throughout his books including Debunking 9-11 Debunking.

A former writer for American Free Press, Mr. Bollyn is currently a fugitive from justice. When asked about the Holocaust Bollyn wrote,

"...As I said, I have not seen at these three former camps any evidence of any large oven in which hundreds of people could be gassed or burned. Nor, have I seen any photographs or physical evidence of such an oven. I don't see how this could make me a denier of anything. One can only deny by refusing to acknowledge something that one has seen the evidence of. I have looked for the evidence of these huge gas chambers and crematoria and not found it in the places they are said to have existed. That does not make me a holocaust denier."

Of course, there's nothing strange or offensive about that statement, I suppose.

%^)



And that concludes this week's profile of Christopher Bollyn, GuitarBill's Runner up Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.


%^)




The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 2:15 PM   
Current rating: 1

"Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. … No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate."

Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001.  Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush.  Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 2:24 PM   
Current rating: 1

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."

Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980.  Candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.  Most well known for entering over 4,000 pages of the Pentagon Papers into the U.S. Senate record, thus making public the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War.  (See also Daniel Ellsberg.)  Also known for his successful one-man filibuster for five months in 1971 that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft (military conscription) in the United States.  Former Member, Alaska House of Representatives 1962-1966, elected Speaker in 1965.  Former Counter-Intelligence officer, U.S. Army.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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What's the problem, LeftWrong? Upset because the 911 "truth" movement is connected to anti-Semites?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 2:34 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Poor LeftWrong.

Reality is a real doozy, isn't it?

%^)
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Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 3:23 PM   
Current rating: 1

"When faced with actions that conflict with the universal moral principle that we should not do to others what we would not want done to ourselves or our loved ones, members of faith communities have a responsibility to voice their opposition to those actions. Many religious leaders throughout history have publicly challenged morally unacceptable practices---recently, for example, in the civil rights and anti-apartheid movements.

A significant moral challenge has emerged due to glaring discrepancies between the official version of the events of September 11, 2001, and the results of extensive independent research by individuals with relevant scientific or professional expertise. . . . As a result of this extensive research carried out by scientists and professionals, it can now be seen that the official account of 9/11 is false beyond any reasonable doubt. ... Because the false account of 9/11 has led to [numerous] evils, it is incumbent on religious leaders, once they realize that the official account is a lie, to speak out."

Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian. Professor in Religious Studies and Director of the Master of Arts in Sustainable Communities Program, Northern Arizona University.  Author of Tolerance and Transformation: Jewish Approaches to Religious Pluralism (1990). Co-author, with David Ray Griffin, of Jewish Theology and Process Thought.  Co-editor with Kevin Barrett and John Cobb of 911 and American Empire (Vol II) – Christians, Jews and Muslims Speak Out. Member: Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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RE: Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian and associate of nutter David Ray Griffin.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 3:37 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You know, the same David Ray Griffin who repeatedly cites neo-Nazi, right-wing extremist, anti-Semite and fugitive from justice, Christopher Bollyn throughout his book, Debunking 9-11 Debunking.

Would that be the same Christopher Bollyn who falsely claimed Benjamin Chertoff and Michael Chertoff are relatives?

Why, yes it is.

%^)

The truth is that Benjamin Chertoff and Michael Chertoff are not related, as Michael Chertoff's mother made clear some time ago.

Wikipedia writes, "...Chertoff has repeatedly denied this claim, most notably in the September 11, 2006 issue of U.S. News & World Report, stating 'no one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff'...his mother has described any such possible relationship as 'distant'"

Christopher Bollyn, formerly a writer for the "American Free Press", who previously published the anti-Semitic, extremist right-wing, neo-Nazi tabloid, Spotlight.

The "American Free Press" published Chertoff Cousin Wrote 911 Propaganda by Christopher Bollyn on 6 March 2005, which, of course, was immediately reprinted by Jeff "the wig" Rense.

Christopher Bollyn, it should be noted, is a notorious Holocaust denier, who wrote the following:

"...As I said, I have not seen at these three former camps any evidence of any large oven in which hundreds of people could be gassed or burned. Nor, have I seen any photographs or physical evidence of such an oven. I don't see how this could make me a denier of anything. One can only deny by refusing to acknowledge something that one has seen the evidence of. I have looked for the evidence of these huge gas chambers and crematoria and not found it in the places they are said to have existed. That does not make me a holocaust denier."

Right, Chris.

%^)


The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Sofia Shafquat.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 2:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Sofia Shafquat.

Let's take another look at the connections between Holocaust Denial and 911 "truth", shall we?

Sofia Shafquat is a rabid conspiranoid theorist who, when not Denying the Holocaust, is the producer of 9-11 Mysteries: Demolitions.

Thus, it should come as no surprise to the reader that Ms. Shafquat peddles the DVD and Book of the Ernst Zundel Story. Ernst Zundel, the reader should be aware, is a major figure in Holocaust Denial circles.

Rick Siegel, maker of 9-11 Eyewitness, has threatened legal action against Sofia Sgafquat for using his footage in what he says is disinformation.

Of course, there's nothing strange or offensive about any of that, I suppose.

%^)


And that concludes this week's profile of Sofia Shafquat, GuitarBill's Runner up Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.


%^)




The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Senator Mark Dayton – Former U.S. Senator from Minnesota 2001 - 2006.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 2:36 PM   
Current rating: 1

"They [NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission. ... For almost three years now NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history."

Senator Mark Dayton – Former U.S. Senator from Minnesota 2001 - 2006.  Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Hurry, LeftWrong, and bury my posts before I expose more "truthers" as anti-Semites!
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 2:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Your desperation is palpable, conspiranoid.

%^)
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Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible, Claremont School of Theology
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 3:28 PM   
Current rating: 1

"When faced with actions that conflict with the universal moral principle that we should not do to others what we would not want done to ourselves or our loved ones, members of faith communities have a responsibility to voice their opposition to those actions. Many religious leaders throughout history have publicly challenged morally unacceptable practices---recently, for example, in the civil rights and anti-apartheid movements.

A significant moral challenge has emerged due to glaring discrepancies between the official version of the events of September 11, 2001, and the results of extensive independent research by individuals with relevant scientific or professional expertise. . . . As a result of this extensive research carried out by scientists and professionals, it can now be seen that the official account of 9/11 is false beyond any reasonable doubt. ... Because the false account of 9/11 has led to [numerous] evils, it is incumbent on religious leaders, once they realize that the official account is a lie, to speak out."

Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible, Claremont School of Theology. Dr. Fisher's numerous academic appointments also include Professor of Near Eastern Languages and Literature, Claremont Graduate University: Professor of Old Testament,  The Graduate Seminary, Phillips University, Enid, OK; Director of the Ugaritic and Hebrew Parallels Project, The Institute for Antiquity and Christianity, Claremont, CA; Visiting Professor of Semitic Languages, Department of Near Eastern Studies, University of California, Berkeley; Professor of New Testament, University of the Pacific Stockton, CA; Professor of Old Testament, California State University, Chico; Professor of New Testament, California State University, Sacramento; Professor of Ancient Near Eastern History, California State University, Sacramento. Author of more than 40 scholarly journal articles on biblical research. Veteran U.S. Marine Corps, World War II. Member: Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible. So what does that prove?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 3:43 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

The fact that Dr. Fisher is a lunatic who believes 911 "truth" lies does not change the fact that the 911 "truth" movement is the brainchild of right-wing extremist, anti-Semite and Holocaust denier, Eric Hufschmid.

(Eric Hufschmid, the reader should note, was the first AmeriKKKan to publish a book on the events of 911 titled, Painful Questions, which was first published in 2002. Thus, Eric Hufschmid is no less than the Godfather of the American 911 "truth" movement.)

Your transparent misdirection and distraction techniques are as futile as they are intellectually bankrupt.

%^)



The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat... ,
%^)
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RE: Loren R. Fisher, PhD – Retired Professor of Hebrew Bible. So what does that prove?
Posted by: jenko on May 8, 2009 11:05 PM   
Current rating: 5

You call people names, you attempt to assign guilt by association (however remote), and yet you still can't prove a negative, i.e., "no, they (US Gov't officials) simply COULD NOT have done it." There has been no valid investigation, and yet Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. are clearly suspects with the motive, means, and opportunity to get exactly what they KNEW they had to have -- their "catastrophic and catalyzing event" -- in order to implement their radical agenda -- their "transformation"; but somehow, despite the gaping holes in the official fantasy, you just KNOW that there is no reason whatsoever to have a real investigation. Nice to meet you, God.
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"guilt by association"? BS! 911 "truth" is the procuct of right-wing extremist, Eric Hufschmid, liar
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 11:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Eric Hufschmid, the Godfather of 911 "truth".

Let's take another look at the connections between Holocaust Denial and 911 "truth", shall we?

Eric Hufschmid is an interesting character, of that there's no doubt.

When Mr. Hufschmid is not busy purchasing Nazi memorabilia at NRA-sponsored gun events, he can be found Denying the Holocaust and formulating blood-libels against anyone he perceives as "Jewish".

Eric Hufschmid, the reader should note, was the first AmeriKKKan to publish a book on the events of 911 titled, Painful Questions, which was first published in 2002. Thus, Eric Hufschmid is no less than the Godfather of the American 911 "truth" movement.

Eric Hufschmid is also a vicious anti-Semite and Holocaust denier.

Mr. Hufschmid writes,

"...We are told that the blue stains are proof that human beings were killed in this room by cyanide. However, photos do not prove that people were killed in the room, or how many people, who which people, or why they were killed. Actually, photos do not prove the blue stains are from cyanide! Even if the blue stains are from cyanide, there is no evidence that human beings were killed in that room. It may have been a disinfection chamber. Or maybe the room held chemicals, and the blue stains are due to splattering or leaky containers."

%^)

Of course, it would be unfair of me to point out that there's nothing strange or offensive about that, I suppose.

Thus, we learn, once again, that all conspiranoid theories are the product of right-wing extremists, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.


And that concludes this week's profile of Eric Hufschmid, GuitarBill's Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.




The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat... , GuitarBill's Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)
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Senator Patrick Leahy, JD – U.S. Senator from Vermont 1974 - present.  Chairman, Judiciary Committee
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 2:50 PM   
Current rating: 3

"And, of course, the two questions that the Congress would not ask, because the Republicans won't allow it, is, why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen? And secondly, when they had Osama bin Laden cornered, why didn't they get him? Had there been an independent congress, one that could ask questions, these questions would have been asked years ago."

Senator Patrick Leahy, JD – U.S. Senator from Vermont 1974 - present.  Chairman, Judiciary Committee. Former Chairman, Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry.


http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and anti-Semite, Uncle Fetzer (aka., Jim Fetzer).
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 3:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and anti-Semite, Uncle Fetzer (aka., Jim Fetzer).

Let's take another look at the connections between anti-Semitism and 911 "truth", shall we?

Uncle Fetzer is an interesting character, not to mention a certified lunatic.

When Uncle Fetzer is not busy attempting to power light bulbs by placing them in his yap, he can be found formulating "no plane" conspiranoid theories and calling for armed revolution against the United States government.

Uncle Fetzer was accused of anti-Semitism by Jonathon Moseley, who writes,

"...James Fetzer, a philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota who poses as a scientist, praised Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and promoted Chavez's proposal for an international criminal tribunal to put the Bush administration on trial. By e-mail, professor Fetzer accused me of being Jewish – sadly, I am not – because I disagree with his theories."

%^)

Of course, it would be unfair of me to point out that there's nothing strange or offensive about that, I suppose.

^&)



And that concludes this week's profile of Uncle Fetzer, GuitarBill's Runner up Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)



The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 3:03 PM   
Current rating: 1

"There's no accountability now, because the government got away with 9/11 and so any kind of violence is justified in terms of protecting us from terrorists or people who might have been a terrorist ...

Well, I've never tried to hide anything. I just try to say what the evidence supports. I never believed 9/11, because I had engineering training at Georgia Tech and I could tell when a building is being blown up by explosives. Any fool can look at those films and see the buildings aren't falling down, they're blowing up."

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics".  Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal.  Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. Former William E. Simon chair in political economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University.  Former Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University.  Author or co-author of several books on economics and politics, including; The Supply-Side Revolution (1985), Alienation and the Soviet Economy: The Collapse of the Socialist Era (1990), The Soviet Union After Perestroika (1991), The Capitalist Revolution in Latin America (2003).

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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You mean the same Paul Craig Roberts who is beloved by disinfo peddler, Jeff "the wig" Rense?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 3:11 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Great Source--and a f****** Reaganite, no less.

Why not add Satan to your list?

%^)
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Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 3:09 PM   
Current rating: 1

"The official story could not possibly have happened.  In other words, what the administration has put forward is essentially a conspiracy theory  that does not conform to the facts.  It’s not possible.  It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash."

Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Hurry, LeftWrong, and bury my posts before I expose more "truthers" as anti-Semites!
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 3:14 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

If you really try hard, you might be able to add Henry Kissinger to your list of 911 "truthers".

%^)
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Rabbi Michael Lerner, PhD – Rabbi of Beyt Tikkun in San Francisco. 
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 4:20 PM   
Current rating: 1

"I am an agnostic on the question of what happened on 9/11. I'm convinced that there are huge holes in the official story and contradictions that suggest that we do not know the whole story. ... I believe that many of the aspects of the story that have not been explored—and should be to put this issue more to rest, so I'd support a new and more serious and more neutral body exploring the whole story once again."

Rabbi Michael Lerner, PhD – Rabbi of Beyt Tikkun in San Francisco.  Founder and editor of TIKKUN magazine: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique of Politics, Culture and Society.  As a college student, was elected President of the Jewish Theological Seminary’s national college organization, ATID.  Contributing author to 911 and American Empire (Vol II) – Christians, Jews and Muslims Speak Out (2006).  Author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Our Country Back from the Religious Right (2007), Healing Israel/Palestine: A Path to Peace and Reconciliation (2003), editor of Best Jewish Writing (2001), Spirit Matters: Global Healing and the Wisdom of the Soul (2000), The Politics of Meaning (1996), co-author with Cornel West of Jews and Blacks: Let the Healing Begin (1995), Jewish Renewal: A Path to Healing and Transformation (1994), Surplus Powerlessness (1991).

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Rabbi Michael Lerner? Surprise, surprise.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 4:32 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

"I am an agnostic on the question of what happened on 9/11." -- Rabbi Michael Lerner

Cautious, isn't he? And he should be, in my estimation.

Nevertheless, the fact that Rabbi Michael Lerner has questions about 911 does not change the fact that the 911 "truth" movement is the brainchild of right-wing extremist, anti-Semite and Holocaust denier, Eric Hufschmid.

(Eric Hufschmid, the reader should note, was the first AmeriKKKan to publish a book on the events of 911 titled, Painful Questions, which was first published in 2002. Thus, Eric Hufschmid is no less than the Godfather of the American 911 "truth" movement.)

That's some fine company you keep, LeftWrong.

%^)



The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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J. Michael Springmann – Former career Foreign Service Officer with the State Department
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 4:32 PM   
Current rating: 1

"I used to be in charge of the visa section at the CIA's Consulate in Jeddah. ... There for a year and a half I issued visas to terrorists recruited by the CIA and its asset Osama Bin Laden. ... Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah."
"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence. ...

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets."

J. Michael Springmann – Former career Foreign Service Officer with the State Department and the International Foreign Trade Administration of the Commerce Department.  Former Consular Officer in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, where he supervised the issuance of visas. 20-year Federal Government career.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) -
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 4:49 PM   
Current rating: 1

"A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash.  It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11?  Who covered up crucial information about 9/11?  And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place?  When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen.  Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter.  U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).   Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology.  22-year Air Force career.  Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 4:53 PM   
Current rating: 1

"In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." 

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority.  Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College.  34-year Air Force career. Licensed commercial pilot.  Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 4:59 PM   
Current rating: 1

"It's incredible some of these things that still are unanswered.  The 9/11 Report; that was totally inadequate.  I mean the questions that anybody has after reading that.  You know, like -- One of the questions, "Why would people even get in planes and come after us?"  That question was not at all addressed, much less all of these very, very interesting events that were going on that day, like Laurie was talking about.

How could our national intelligence and defense operations be so inept that they could not communicate; that they could not scramble jets; that they could not take defensive action?   And I totally agree.  I always thought the Pentagon had all sorts of air defense sort of equipment around it; that they could take out anything that was coming at it.   And for a plane to be able to just fly low right over Washington and slam into that thing is just -- I mean, you still just shake your head.  How in the world could that happen? ...

There's a very specific glide path that comes in for planes to land at [Reagan] National Airport [one mile from the Pentagon].  And you know whether it's somebody using a different transponder but even a plane  any plane, a military plane with a transponder going --  that was flying that low into Washington, a big plane like that should have set off alarm bells."

Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat.  Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001.  One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
 
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 Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 5:06 PM   
Current rating: 1

"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data. Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag at anyone who pretends to love this country.

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ...

Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool.

What does it all add up to? The Commission was, as was the Warren Commission before it, a dog and pony show ... "

 Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. Decorations include the Distinguished Flying Cross and 32 awards of the Air Medal. Aircraft flown: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Lockheed C-130H Hercules. 10,000+ total hours flown. 20-year Marine Corps career.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) -
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 5:13 PM   
Current rating: 1

"I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics.  The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact.  Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...

I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight. 

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ...

More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career.  Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University.  Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System.  Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001). Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS , U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot.
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 5:19 PM   
Current rating: 1

"After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government.  It is now time to take our country back.

The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned.  There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break.  It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned.  Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse."

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail.  Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".  Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.  Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders.  The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot.  Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program.  As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures.  Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis.  Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber).  3,000+ fighter hours.  Combat time over Iraq.  20-year Air Force career.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Yes, Silverstein conspired with the FDNY Fire Commander to demolish WTC 7.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 10:45 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You're such a disgusting liar, LeftWrong.

Rebut this, lair.

Dr. Foo: "Did Larry Silverstein demolish WTC 7 with the help of the FDNY Fire Commander, Reg?"

Extremist conspiranoid claim [1]: "...Larry Silverstein said 'Pull it', therefore, he approved the 'controlled demolition' of WTC 7" [rant, spit, slobber, slobber].

%^)

"...I remember getting a call from the Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure that they would be able to contain the fire. And I said, 'You know, we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it'. Ah...and they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse." -- Larry Silverstein

Source: YouTube video of Silverstein's entire statement.

So, Silverstein remembers "getting a call from the Fire Department Commander" and telling the Fire Department Commander to "pull it".

Silverstein goes on to say, "...you know we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it".

But what did Silverstein mean by "pull it"?

Let's recall that Mr. Silverstein was talking to "the Fire Department Commander". With that important fact in mind, let's continue to debunk 911 "truth", shall we?

Now, either [1] he was talking about removing the fire fighters from the building, and thereby prevent the potential death of more FDNY personnel; or [2] we've "had such a terrible loss of life" that we should, for God knows what reason, demolish the building (with the help of the FDNY Fire Department Commander, no less).

(Are you beginning to see how insane the 911 "truth" conspiranoids really are, by the way?)

Silverstein, however, did say--and I quote--"...they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse."

Clearly, the FDNY Commander made the decision to "pull" the ongoing fire and rescue operation in order to prevent further loss of FDNY personnel.


The Conspiranoid Song.

911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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The only liars are Mr. Silverstein and you (others may simply be confused or mistaken)
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 11:29 PM   
Current rating: 1

FDNY Chief Nigro was asked about the alleged phone call with Mr. Silverstein and professed no knowledge of it, and when they then asked Mr. Silverstein who he talked to he refused to provide a name. Chief Nigro also disavowed the conversation in writing:

Release date: September 23, 2007

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro

I think that the "pull it" comment should be considered little more than an odd side note in the strange story of WTC 7, until we can get Mr. Silverstein under oath, that is.

Keeping grasping at straws in desperation, GB, you embarrass yourself and make my case for me with every post.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Lair. You're a joke.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 11:38 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Wikipedia writes, "...Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. At 5:20 PM, EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center collapsed. There were no casualties associated with the collapse."

When will you learn, @$$, that substantiating conspiranoid nonsense with conspiranoid nonsense is a not "evidence", it's a circle jerk--loser?

%^)





The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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My sincere apology, genius, I forgot your link, which proves you're full of "LeftWrong".
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 11:43 PM   
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FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations.

Liar.
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The "owner" of the WTC wasn't Larry Silverstien, liar, it's the NY and NJ Port Authority.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 9, 2009 12:12 AM   
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She how LeftWrong constantly lies?

Larry Silverstien is not the owner of the WTC, he leased the WTC from the New York and New Jersey Port Authority.

Wikipedia writes, "...The Port Authority owns the site's land (except for 7 World Trade Center), and Larry Silverstein, the developer of 'Ground Zero', holds the lease to retail and office space in four of the site's buildings."

And yes, LeftWrong, Larry Silverstein Properties (a group of investors, not merely Larry Silverstein) do own WTC 7; however, Silverstein Properties can't authorize the demolition of ANY building on the NY and NJ Port Authority's property WITHOUT THE NY AND NJ PORT AUTHORITY'S PERMISSION, BECAUSE THE NY AND NJ PORT AUTHORITY OWN THE LAND WHICH THE BUILDING SITS ON.

Thus, Larry Silverstien had NO AUTHORITY TO DEMOLISH THE WTC TOWERS, ONLY THE NY AND NJ PORT AUTHORITY HAD THE AUTHORIZATION TO DEMOLISH THE WTC TOWERS.

Any more lies for us, LeftWrong?

%^)




The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Keep spinning, straw king, you're only fooling yourself
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 2:07 AM   
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The building being referred to is WTC 7, which is owned by Larry Silverstein Properties, of which he is the majority owner.

My point is that according to Chief Nigro the alleged conversation never took place, and so its only relevance is to show that Mr. Silverstein has a questionable relationship with the truth, something you seem to share.

What your point is, other than more spinning about nonsense, is ...who knows and frankly, considering how intellectually dishonest you are, I could care less.

The bottom line here is, just throw out the "pull it" comment as being a worthless distraction and move on.

(but you're all about worthless distractions, aren't you?)

How does it feel to have less than zero credibility on Alternet and have to resort to the most vulgar and transparent ad hominem attacks to defend your intellectually bankrupt position?

GB, you are, hands down, the most disgusting and dishonest individual I've ever come across on this site.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.
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Come on, @$$, tell us how Silverstein conspired with the FDNY Fire Commander to demolish WTC7.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 9, 2009 2:27 AM   
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You're out of you're mind.

Since when do Fire Commanders conspire with a lease holder to demolish a building?

The last time I checked, Fire Commanders are about saving lives and property--you slanderous, lying bastard.

I'd love to see you stand in front of FDNY personnel and attempt to tell them that their Commander conspired with a lease holder to demolish a building.

Personally, I'd cheer them while they kicked your lying @$$.

You turn my stomach--you self-serving anti-American toilet water connoisseur.
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Nice straw castle you're spinning there, GB
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 3:00 AM   
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I've never asserted that the FDNY conspired to do anything with Mr. Silverstein or anyone else.

You're the one trying to spin a conversation that, by all credible accounts, never took place (which I clearly documented above, btw).

Keep spinning, straw king.

If you consider seeking the truth to be "anti-American", what do you consider to be pro-American?

Better sober up, GB, as your rhetorical skills are now sinking as low as your critical thinking skills.

Care to take this up in person, GB?

Market and Powell at noon, tomorrow...?
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So, now you're threatening me, tough guy?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 9, 2009 3:17 AM   
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If I were you, Einstein, I'd think twice about that "offer", punk.

But I digress...

Obviously, you liar, Silverstein was not talking with the "Chief of Department FDNY"--you intellectually dishonest charlatan--he was talking with the FDNY Fire Commander.

Get back to me when you can pass a course in remedial English.

%^)
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Until you can put a name to Silverstein's "FNDY Fire Commander", it's worthless
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 8:38 AM   
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as is most of what you say.

Btw, that was not a threat, it was an offer to meet in a very public place to have a civil conversation offline, something you appear to be incapable of.

Let me know by 10:30 if you change your mind.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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That should read: Until you can put a name to Silverstein's "FDNY Fire Commander", it's worthless
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 12:21 PM   
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I guess you either don't live in the SF bay area (as you claimed) or are afraid to meet a real live 9/11 truth activist in a public place in broad daylight.

I'm not surprised.

Mr. Silverstein claimed he spoke with Chief Nigro, but when Chief Nigro was asked about this he denied it and then put the denial in writing. When Mr. Silverstein was confronted about about Chief Nigro's denial, he stammered and could not provide a name of who he spoke with in this alleged phone call. I invite you to do some actual research and find out the name of this alleged "FDNY Fire Commander" as those of us in the 9/11 research community would like some credible evidence that the phone call actually took place.

That said, let's apply some logic to the two quotes:

Chief Nigro: For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Mr. Silverstein: I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

Chief Nigro clearly states that he didn't consult anyone, this would include other FDNY officials who purportedly had a telephone conversation with Mr. Silverstein.

Chief Nigro clearly states that he gave the order "to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone" "approximately three hours" before "WTC 7 collapsed".

Mr. Silverstein says that "they [the FDNY] made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" which implies that there is a close relationship between the time of the alleged phone call and the collapse of the building.

So, not only does Chief Nigro's statement clearly refute the consultation claim made by Mr. Silverstein, it also shows that the decision to withdraw FDNY personnel took place hours before Mr. Silverstein says it did.

The two statements are clearly incompatible and we are forced to choose which is the more credible account.

Since Chief Nigro's account is consistent with the known facts to date, I believe that his is the more credible account.

This leads us to conclude that Mr. Silverstein fabricated his entire "pull it" story for reasons only he knows.

Feel free to provide credible evidence which supports Mr. Silverstein's account, such as the name of the "FDNY Fire Commander" he claims to have spoken with.

Until you are able to do that, I suggest you put your "pull it" toy away and move on to something actually relevant.

Note that many other accounts put the cessation of FDNY activities in WTC 7 as sometime before noon, after they had rescued Barry Jennings and Michael Hess from the building (more on that soon).

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Your BS is disproven by Dan Nigro himself:
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 9, 2009 2:44 AM   
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"...Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit." -- Dan Nigro, Chief of Department FDNY

So, according to Chief Nigro, conspiranoid theories "are without merit".

%^)

Can you read, genius?

Furthermore, you liar, Silverstein was not talking with the "Chief of Department FDNY"--you intellectually dishonest charlatan--he was talking with the FDNY Fire Commander.

Big difference, @$$.

%^)

Stupid, aren't you (or merely a rank liar?)
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Actually, Chief Nigro's statement proves Mr. Silverstein is lying, as I showed above
Posted by: LeftWright on May 9, 2009 12:39 PM   
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Unless and until you can credibly document the call Mr. Silverstein had with the unnamed "FDNY Fire Commander" you have absolutely nothing to support your position, which is typical for you.

Time to put your "pull it" toy away and talk about something relevant, like the evaporated steel that Dr. Jonathan Barnett found at the WTC site, or the vaporized steel that Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl found there.

Of course you don't want to talk about anything substantial, you prefer to shift the debate to things like phone calls that probably didn't even take place (is Barbara Olson next?).

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot.  Former Air Combat Instructor,
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 5:29 PM   
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"I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event.  It just didn't make any sense to me.  How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767?  Didn't the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767?  The evidence just didn't add up. ...

At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying.  I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.

I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft.  I could not have done what these beginners did.  Something stinks to high heaven!

Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings?  Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident?  Where is all the luggage?  Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft?  Where are the steel engine parts?  Where is the steel landing gear?  Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?

I also personally knew American Airlines Captain “Chick” Burlingame, who was the captain of Flight 77 which allegedly hit the Pentagon, and I know he would not have given up his airplane to crazies!

And at the Shanksville Pennsylvania impact site, where is any of the wreckage?!!!  Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole!  Where is any piece of a crashed airplane?  Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel?  Where is any evidence at all?

When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official “story”. ...

Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official “story” and why I want the truth to be told."

Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot.  Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun).  20-year Navy career.  Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat.  Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience.  Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100.  23,000+ total hours flown.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Judy Wood, Ph.D
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 5:31 PM   
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Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop, Judy Wood, Ph.D.

Judy Wood, Ph.D is an interesting character and one Hell of a straight jacket model.

When Dr. Wood is not busy rattling around her 3100 square foot rubber room, she can be found formulating conspiranoid theories on Star Wars Beam Weapons and Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW).

Recently, Dr. Wood appeared on Uncle Fetzer's radio show, where they talked about a recent History Channel documentary on building collapse. Since Uncle Fetzer and Dr. Wood are always good for a laugh, I tuned in. Thus, a portion of their conversation follows:

Uncle Fetzer: "...They had their experts, their structural design engineers and other kinds of engineers such as Mathis Leavy and William Baker giving their government shill commentary supporting the principles given as the governments official story as to why the towers fell. I have a feeling the same engineer shill experts are wheeled out and recycled for all the PBS and Discovery channel and History channel 9/11 disinformation pieces."

Dr. Judy Wood: "...Yeah, the majority of the material went up rather than down."

Uncle Fetzer: "...Right, pulverization is taking place here."

See, I told you they're good for a laugh.

%^)

Uncle Fetzer continues and tells us why his theory must be correct.

Uncle Fetzer: "Jack White, who is a legendary photo analyst, who has done brilliant work, not only on JFK but on 9/11 and many other topics that are controversial has developed the principle that the more you are being attacked the more probably that you are right on the money, or getting very close to the truth. So there is like a direct correlation by the extent and severity to how close you are to the truth that they are trying to suppress. And by that yardstick I think that you and Morgan must be really close to being on the money here about the fact that some kind of directed energy had to be to take out the twin towers. There is no other way to account for the phenomena. Which means that we have to look at the possibility that HARP or solar energy or lasers or masers, or even plasmoids may have been employed here."

Dr. Judy Wood: "Correct."

That's funny, I don't recall any official source "attacking" so called "Star Wars Death Beam" theory.

In fact, as I recall, this theory is subject to scorn and ridicule.

Of course, there's nothing strange or out of the ordinary about that, I suppose.

%^)

And that concludes this week's profile of Dr. Judy Wood Ph.D, GuitarBill's Nominee for Loony 911 Conspiranoid Whack Job of the Month.

%^)


The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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Ahhhhhhhhh...much better..now thats more like it
Posted by: Zimbly on May 8, 2009 9:06 PM   
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Ok... I was begining to lose my faith in you, but today you earned your pay and are in excellent form.

Just don't let that slip happen again ok..maybe you were out momentarily at Starbucks to get a coffee..... ?
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I'd love to ask how old you are; unfortunately, I know you can't count that high.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 10:49 PM   
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Banjo Fred Breaks a String
Posted by: mdarlinggg on May 8, 2009 9:13 PM   
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Thanks to Leftright for all of the info.
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Really? No kidding, genius.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 8, 2009 10:52 PM   
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Perhaps you can explain all the 911 "truth" movements' connections to anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and the extreme right-wing?

You can't?

Then you're as worthless as a used BetaMax video-recorder.

%^) 

By Nick Baumann and David Corn, Mother Jones. Posted May 7, 2009.
Is a Cheney Cover-Up Scandal Brewing?

2009-05-07

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» Perhaps you should check Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, EncinoM Posted by: LeftWright
» Start packing your bags, EncinoM... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Start packing your bags, EncinoM... Posted by: EncinoM
» You don't even read what YOU write, do you, EncinoM? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: You don't even read what YOU write, do you, EncinoM? Posted by: EncinoM
» More concrete evidence of U.S. government involvement in the 9/11 operation Posted by: LeftWright
» Look! There is enough in ??? to merit a full re-investigation... Posted by: aussidawg
» Your "promise" is a CROCK EncinoMuck - you are the BS Distraction here Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» Hang 'Shotgun Cheney' by the balls. Posted by: travelertoo
» RE: Hang 'Shotgun Cheney' by the balls. Posted by: aussidawg
» Dr. Zelikow helped cover up Mr. Cheney's role in the 9/11 operation. Posted by: LeftWright
» Zelikow is a CoverUp Con Man for 9/11 crimes (So is David Corn) Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» FMAinMass Posted by: FMABBI
» Prosecute the Criminals! Posted by: jpinsatx
» You're correct, now it's Obama's turn to do that (n/t) Posted by: LeftWright
RE: A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 7, 2009 6:10 AM   
Current rating: 4

Read up.

A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH

A more complete timeline listing crucial events both before and after the Sept. 11 suicide attacks, which have been blamed on bin Laden, establishes CIA foreknowledge of them and strongly suggests that there was criminal complicity on the part of the U.S. government in their execution. It also makes clear that the events that have taken place since Sept. 11 are based upon an agenda that has little to do with the attacks.
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Mike Ruppert is a fraud.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 8:54 AM   
Current rating: 1

"...The word is that Ruppert’s From the Bilderbergs empire has not been faring so well of late: subscribers, no longer duped by Ruppert's obvious lies, are dropping like flies; book and DVD sales are down; and the constant pleas for donations just aren’t bringing in the truckloads of cash like they used to. So the prevailing theory is that Ruppert, in a desperate attempt to keep his empire afloat, staged the ‘burglary’ of his offices to raise some cash, possibly through insurance payouts and, most obviously, by portraying Ruppert as a victim once again in yet another craven attempt to pry more money loose from his ever-shrinking base of followers...As far as I can determine at this time, it has not been verified that Ruppert is the prime suspect in the staged 'burglary'...but that seems to be a far more plausible explanation for his abrupt departure than Mikey's breathless claim that he was facing an 'imminent threat of death.' Indeed, a careful reading of Ruppert's rambling, melodramatic diatribe yields clues that seem to support the theory that Sir Mike did indeed stage the scene at his offices."

SOURCE.

Only an asshat would believe Ruppert.
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Odd that your "source" completely supports the controlled demolition hypothesis of the WTC
Posted by: LeftWright on May 7, 2009 11:24 AM   
Current rating: 3

and you refute it vehemently.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr67.html

Just one more example of the blatant hypocrisy and intellectual bankruptcy from Alternet's reigning straw king.

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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What does that have to do with Ruppert being an asshat and a fraud?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Dave McGowan can believe anything he likes.

I was using his Ruppert research not his 911 speculation.

You're just trying to change the subject because you can't refute what McGowan says about Ruppert's staged burglary and his exit from the US in effort to avoid prosecution for staging the office burglary.

You're a joke, LeftWrong.

And your real motto should read: "...The Lies of 911 'truth' shall set us 'Free'. Prevarication is the way forward."
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RE: Odd that your "source" completely supports the controlled demolition hypothesis of the WTC
Posted by: EncinoM on May 7, 2009 12:03 PM   
Current rating: 1

Physics proves that the towers did not fall at free fall speeds, the various conspiract put forth by the truthiness movement all have one thing in common they are counter to ockham's razor. And factual, Loose Change and the various writings of Jones have had so many glaring errors exposed as to call into question the truthfulness of their respective authors.
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He's just trying to change the subject.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

He can't refute McGowan's accusations against Mikey Ruppert, so he changes the subject.

Misdirection and diversion is all LeftWrong has at this point.

Notice that not one of the 911 "truthers" said ONE WORD about the evidence I present concerning 911 "truthers" and their obvious video fakery.

This is proof positive that the 911 "truth" crowd is morally and intellectually bankrupt.
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Keep running and spinning, GB, I replied to your critique of the Stuyvesant H.S. bomb scare on 4/27,
Posted by: LeftWright on May 7, 2009 5:14 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

but you didn't have the intellectual honesty to reply and continue to spam pointless nonsense.

It was in this thread:

By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted May 13, 2009.
Why the Press Is on Suicide Watch

2009-05-13

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» Adhere to integrity and report the truth. Posted by: weathered
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» Government subsidies vs. corporatization Posted by: Perry Logan
» Postal rates have changed Posted by: chaoslegs
» A small price to pay for their treachery Posted by: StillStanding
» Even Alternet... uses content from the dinosaurs of journalism Posted by: leighsure
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» Colbert is right.......they are stenographers. Real journalists would tackle 9/11. Alternet? Posted by: pfgetty
Colbert is right.......they are stenographers. Real journalists would tackle 9/11. Alternet?
Posted by: pfgetty on May 13, 2009 4:41 AM   
Current rating: 4

Alternet, are you listening?

Colbert said that one reason newspapers are failing is because they only present what the government wants them to present........as we saw with WMD. That issue, WMD, and how it was handled by the press was a disgusting display showing just how corruptible our press has become. Our press needs to fail and wither.

But just as disgusting is the media's handling of the facts of 9/11. We were told a story by the government that is so ridiculous and full of holes, but the media INCLUDING ALTERNET, will not touch any of it.

Piles of evidence proving that our government was complicit in 9/11. Overwhelming evidence that the official story is a lie.
But Alternet and the nation's newspapers will not touch the issue.

I want to know why. I'd like to know why Alternet would present an article telling us that the media is failing because it will not tackle real stories that aren't handfed by the government, and yet this is just what Alternet is doing with 9/11.

What is it? What keeps all of the media away from investigating the gigantic holes in the story of 9/11? Is it threats from the government? Pressures from certain groups? Is Alternet associated with a group that would be harmed by the exposure to the truth of 9/11?
It has got to be one of those three. Maybe loss of funding is the pressure. It would be interesting to see just where Alternet gets its funding.

Can you tell us, Alternet, where you get a lot of your funding. I sent a donation before I realized that you were part of a conspiracy to keep the public from the truth on 9/11. You MUST be getting some funding from groups. Are these groups related to big oil companies, weapons companies? Are they related to either Christian or Jewish Zionist groups? All of these groups might be hurt if the real story of 9/11 were presented and finally realized by the American people.

Alternet has the reputation of presenting articles that dig into the corruption and lies of our government and big interest groups.
But in the 9/11 controversy, it is completely silent.
There IS a reason. Some group is either pressuring Alternet, or Alternet IS part of one of those groups. And it is a group that would be hurt if the truth of 9/11 ever came out.
Does ANYBODY know anything about this? We need to get to the core of this. Alternet is defrauding its readers for an agenda of a special interest group. There is no other reason Alternet would avoid bringing to us information about the biggest story in history.

Can you give us any information, Alternet? 


How the HELL does this article relate to 911 "truth"? Idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 7:15 AM   
Current rating: 1

PFGetty, you are the most disgusting, pig headed TROLL on this board.

Flake. Nut-job.

Seek psychiatric intervention.
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GuitarBill?
Posted by: linecrosser on May 13, 2009 9:16 AM   
Current rating: 4

Everything is related, it appears to me that you actually believe the absolutely ridiculous government story. This could be for several reasons, that only you could explain. Are you a government plant, trying to discourage a open and honest investigation or are you to lazy to do just the slightest investigation on your own? Logic would dictate, a independent study to answer even just the simplest questions about 911. The official government story is like a plane at 30k feet, one little hole and boom. IMHO GuitarBill you are the one who, if in not need of psychiatric intervention, then maybe just a ethical or moral check might help. God help you.
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GuitarBill?
Posted by: linecrosser on May 13, 2009 9:16 AM   
Current rating: 4

Everything is related, it appears to me that you actually believe the absolutely ridiculous government story. This could be for several reasons, that only you could explain. Are you a government plant, trying to discourage a open and honest investigation or are you to lazy to do just the slightest investigation on your own? Logic would dictate, a independent study to answer even just the simplest questions about 911. The official government story is like a plane at 30k feet, one little hole and boom. IMHO GuitarBill you are the one who, if in not need of psychiatric intervention, then maybe just a ethical or moral check might help. God help you.
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Nice straw man argument. I never said I support the government's version
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 9:58 AM   
Current rating: 1

And I support a new investigation.

HOWEVER, I refuse to support ANY investigation that involves association with the neo-Nazi 911 "truth" movement. They are so insane that they taint everything they touch.

911 "truth" is a right-wing disinformation campaign designed to discredit honest researchers.

"Where the Hell did the hippies come from?" --Abby Hoffman

Do you see the similarity between the hippies and the 911 "truth" movement?

No.

Well, allow me to clue you in: Abby Hoffman expressed his CONTEMPT for the hippies because, as he made perfectly clear, the hippie movement was created to discredit genuine Vietnam War protesters.

The original anti-War movement was the product of college professors and their students--a respectable bunch. However, shortly after the hippies showed up at the anti-War protests, the legitimate protesters were lumped together with the hippie crazies, and thus, their anti-War movement discredited.

911 "truth" is analogous to the hippie movement, and their goal's are identical: discredit legitimate protesters or investigators.
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Don't lecture me about "ethics" and "morality"--you damned fool.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 10:47 AM   
Current rating: 1

Try reading the verbiage above the comment box before you post. Just in case you've never had a look at it, here it is:

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Thus, PFGetty is in violation of policies [1] (personal attacks on AlterNet's writers) and [4] (comments which are off-topic).

So, what was that about "morality" and "ethics", hypocrite? 

» Nice straw man argument. I never said I support the government's version Posted by: GuitarBill
» Don't lecture me about "ethics" and "morality"--you damned fool. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Read article posted by P. Escobar Posted by: sumwoman
» I'd rather ask Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» Right, weathered, tell us how Silverstein conspired with the NYFD Commander to demolish WTC7 Posted by: GuitarBill
» What do neo-Nazi Eric Hufschmid and Mohamed Atta have in common? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: What do neo-Nazi Eric Hufschmid and Mohamed Atta have in common? Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Sorry I can't think of an insult stupid enough for you. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Getting back to "Real Journalism" is the only hope for them Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
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» The Tyrant's Friend, The People's Foe Posted by: PaulK
» Who cares about the sloppy news media? Go watch some cartoons for a change. Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS
» RE: Who cares about the sloppy news media? ??????????? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Hey, it's only paper and ink. Posted by: grindermonkey
» You can't trust the news Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com
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» RE: Ordinary people need brains Posted by: sumwoman
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» Relax and enjoy the ride Posted by: willymack
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» Who Cares About the Racist, War Mongering Big Press? Posted by: Nuuon
» gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
» gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Did you see the Newspaper article on Single Payer ? Posted by: mmckinl
» perhaps it's the corporate structure that's to blame--corporations almost always Posted by: Suzon


I'd rather ask Silverstein
Posted by: weathered on May 13, 2009 10:25 AM   
Current rating: 1

about the WTC.
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Right, weathered, tell us how Silverstein conspired with the NYFD Commander to demolish WTC7
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 10:29 AM   
Current rating: 1

You friggin' nutter.

Extremist conspiranoid claim [1]: "...Larry Silverstein said 'Pull it', therefore, he approved the 'controlled demolition' of WTC 7" [rant, spit, slobber, slobber].

%^)

"...I remember getting a call from the Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure that they would be able to contain the fire. And I said, 'You know, we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it'. Ah...and they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse." -- Larry Silverstein

Source: YouTube video of Silverstein's entire statement.

So, Silverstein remembers "getting a call from the Fire Department Commander" and telling the Fire Department Commander to "pull it".

Silverstein goes on to say, "...you know we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it".

But what did Silverstein mean by "pull it"?

Let's recall that Mr. Silverstein was talking to "the Fire Department Commander". With that important fact in mind, let's continue to debunk 911 "truth", shall we?

Now, either [1] he was talking about removing the fire fighters from the building, and thereby prevent the potential death of more FDNY personnel; or [2] we've "had such a terrible loss of life" that we should, for God knows what reason, demolish the building (with the help of the FDNY Fire Department Commander, no less).

(Are you beginning to see how insane the 911 "truth" conspiranoids really are, by the way?)

Silverstein, however, did say--and I quote--"...they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse."

Clearly, the FDNY Commander made the decision to "pull" the ongoing fire and rescue operation in order to prevent further loss of FDNY personnel.


The Conspiranoid Song.

911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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What do neo-Nazi Eric Hufschmid and Mohamed Atta have in common?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 10:26 AM   
Current rating: 1

What do Eric Hufschmid, the Father of the 911 "truth" movement, and 911 hijacking ringleader Mohamed Atta have in common?

They're both foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Semites.

Jew-Hatred and Jihad
The Nazi roots of the 9/11 attack.

By Matthias Küntzel, 17 September 2007

The article reads in part, "...The idea of using suicide pilots to obliterate the skyscrapers of Manhattan originated in 1940s Berlin. 'In the latter stages of the war, I never saw Hitler so beside himself as when, as if in a delirium, he was picturing to himself and to us the downfall of New York in towers of flame,' wrote Albert Speer in his diary. 'He described the skyscrapers turning into huge burning torches and falling hither and thither, and the reflection of the disintegrating city in the dark sky.' Not only Hitler's fantasy but also his plan of action foreshadowed September 11: He envisioned having kamikaze pilots fly light aircraft packed with explosives and with no landing gear into Manhattan skyscrapers. The drawings for the Daimler-Benz Amerikabomber from the spring of 1944 show giant four-engine planes with raised undercarriages for transporting small bombers. The bombers would be released shortly before the planes reached the East Coast, after which the mother plane would return to Europe...What ideas propelled Atta and the others to act? Witnesses provided part of the answer at the world's first 9/11-related trial, the prosecution of al-Motassedeq, which took place in Hamburg between October 2002 and February 2003. One participant in the Koran circle meetings, Shahid Nickels, said Atta's Weltanschauung was based on a "National Socialist way of thinking." Atta was convinced that the Jews were striving for world domination and considered New York City the center of world Jewry, which was, in his opinion, Enemy No. 1. Fellow students who lived in Motassedeq's dormitory testified that he shared these views and waxed enthusiastic about a forthcoming 'big action.' One student quoted Motassedeq as saying, 'The Jews will burn and in the end we will dance on their graves.'"

Clearly, 911 was inspired the man Eric Hufschmid admires most, Adolph Hitler.

Eric Hufschmid had this to say about Jews and the Holocaust:

"...None of the books or movies about the Holocaust are serious; rather, they try to stimulate pity of Jews and hatred of Nazis. The Holocaust stories are attempts to manipulate, not educate. The Jews are simply exploiting the suffering and death of their fellow Jews. The moment a Jew suffers or dies, the other Jews look for ways to exploit the situation. It reminds me of the way cockroaches immediately begin eating one another when one of them dies."

Source: 911research.wtc7.net

Notice the disingenuous "disclaimer" at the top of the page. Now, if the folks who run "911research.wtc7.net" are truly against such hate speech, why do they publish it anyway?

Do they honestly believe we're that gullible?

%^)
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RE: What do neo-Nazi Eric Hufschmid and Mohamed Atta have in common?
Posted by: gimmie shelter on May 13, 2009 6:34 PM   
Current rating: 3

I think you spend to much time playing with your self Guitar Bill. You are one of the smartest idiots I have read lately. History is not something you conveniently forget when you talk about history. Whatever drugs your on are no good for you...really. Do you really think Jewish people are to blame for all that ails you. Buy a pet and get over it.
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Sorry I can't think of an insult stupid enough for you.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM   
Current rating: 1

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you abuse the privilege. 

By Jeremy Scahill, Rebel Reports. Posted May 25, 2009.
Neocon US Colonel Calls for Military Attacks on "Partisan Media"

2009-05-25

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So where's the nano-Aluminum in your dust samples?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 25, 2009 11:08 AM   
Current rating: 2

No nano-Aluminum?

Then you CAN'T PROVE nano-thermite--@$$.
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uh...did you read the abstract? or the report?
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 25, 2009 12:46 PM   
Current rating: 4

they BOTH mention aluminum...why is scientific empirical evidence not enough?

no, i don't believe all the so-called truthiness movement says...but there are enough inconsistencies in the "official" report to warrant further investigation.
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I didn't say "aluminum". I said nano-aluminum.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 25, 2009 1:21 PM   
Current rating: 3

And I want the presence of nano-aluminum to be confirmed by XRD (X-ray Diffraction).

I've forgotten more about that "paper" then you'll ever know.
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So which is it, "thermite", "thermate" or "nanothermite"?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 25, 2009 3:24 PM   
Current rating: 4

After all, Steven Jones originally attributed the WTC towers collapse to "thermite"; when that was debunked he attributed the WTC towers collapse to "thermate"; now that "thermate" is debunked he attempts to attribute the WTC towers collapse to "nanothermite".

Notice the ever shifting rational, which is the defining characteristic of a liar.

And until the "Active Thermatic Material" lunatics demonstrate--by X-ray Diffraction, for example--the presence of metallic Fe left by the ignition of the "red chips", you have nothing but hot air.

Moreover, until the "Active Thermatic Material" lunatics can demonstrate the presence of metallic aluminum in the "red chips", you have nothing that would convince anyone of your cockamamie conspiranoid theory; accept, of course, a room full of Jones brainwashed conspiranoids, I suppose.

Worse, you don't have a theory.

You guys really need Dr. Wood, at least she's capable of formulating a theory.

%^)
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RE: Yes, journalists are sometimes brave. Why aren't they brave enough to expose 911 as the lie it is.
Posted by: Squarehead on May 25, 2009 10:12 AM   
Current rating: 1

RE "And then it suddenly dawned on me.........you had censored all information"

And what, pfgetty, gives YOU this special knowledge?

How do you know, and the journos are just wrong, or liars, or are censored?
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The article's title contains "neo-Con"; therefore I can SPAM my BULLSH*T 911 propaganda. 9FUCKIN11!
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 25, 2009 11:05 AM   
Current rating: 3

You're such an @$$, PFGetty.

Please, for your own good, seek psychiatric intervention. 



Who do you think is burying this proof that 9/11 was an inside job? Jeremy, do you know?
Posted by: pfgetty on May 25, 2009 6:23 PM   
Current rating: 3

Letter to the Editor: 9/11 news is being buried
http://sentinelsource.com/articles
/2009/05/22/opinion/letters_editor/fre...
9/11 news is being buried

Published: Friday, May 22, 2009

Another group of scientists has found evidence of explosives in the dust at ground zero, 9/11.

Big news?

Actually it isn’t news at all. Hasn’t been covered. One might expect calls far and wide for a public investigation by qualified scientists to examine whether the findings are accurate. Yawn.

There is a lot of interest on the Internet, among people who don’t take a paycheck from corporate media. There is interest among ex-CIA, military, pilots, architects, engineers, physicists, demolition experts, metallurgists, academics and so on.

But not a peep from corporate media. We know corporate media are obtuse propagandists for corporate interests like the treasonous illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. They love that shock and awe. It’s good TV.

They are enemies of democracy and friends of wealth. Does The Sentinel know that the work of these scientists is “cartoonish”? How do you know?

I say, prove it.

Prove the scientists are wrong, or that there is ambiguity.

Recognize the gravity of the implications. Respect the sincerity of the scientists. Report the news.

TOM ROGERS

651 Park Ave., No. 56

Keene

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This was my comment:

When Tom Rogers said "Another group of scientists has found evidence of explosives in the dust at ground zero, 9/11", he was likely referring to this peer-reviewed paper published April 2009 in the refereed Open Chemical Physics Journal:

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?
TOCPJ/2009/00000002/000000...

So far, no paper has been published that rebuts or debunks their findings- though many pretend rebuttals have been posted on the "internets". The material is not paint; paint doesn't produce iron microspheres when heated to 700 C in a DSC; iron melts at 1435 C. The material is not Kaolin; it contains elemental Aluminum. In addition to it's unusual thermitic properties, the material shows signs of being highly engineered- aluminum in platelet form.

In addition to the above paper, see this paper which highlights information from official government reports that disproves NIST's (and FEMA's) own conclusions:

Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/
content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000...

And this report, which uses the EPA's own data to make the case that energetic materials were present, and likely involved in the WTC destruction- also never debunked, just ignored:

Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

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Any Scientific response?
There is certainly a mind-numbing silence in the media about the recent paper, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe." But what about among scientists themselves. Any response? This is a peer-reviewed paper. What do peers say who've read it? Do THEY simply refuse to comment like the media? Let's keep giving the paper to chemists and other scientists as well as writing letters to the editor.
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By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted April 24, 2009.
Thousands of Pages of Evidence and a Quarter Million Signatures: What Will It Take For Attorney General to Prosecute Torture Crimes?

2009-04-24

Here is my reply from that thread:

Another pathetic attempt to change the subject, by Alternet's spinning straw king

This is a further admission on your part that you have no DNA evidence to present, that's why you change the subject completely to some nonsense about two short videos.

Thank you for conceding that you have no credible evidence that proves there were "hijackers" on any of the planes.

As for the two videos that you think disproves the case against the government's conspiracy theory, let's take a look in an intellectually honest way.

1) Both of these videos were obviously edited after the fact and can be considered equally suspect. On that fact alone, we can throw them both out.

2) A longer clip shows that this incident allegedly took place at around 1:30pm, almost four hours before the obvious controlled demolition of WTC 7, yet another reason to discard both videos.

So, it is reasonable to discard these videos as proof of anything other than one of the many bomb threats received on 9/11/01.

Where does that leave us regarding the reports of bombs and explosions on 9/11/01?

There are still hundreds of reports by FDNY, NYPD, news reporters and other eyewitnesses of explosions and secondary devices in the WTC complex.

Let's start with Barry Jennings and his experience in WTC 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxUj6UgPODo&feature=related

9/11 first responder Kevin McPadden on WTC 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbD9XMCOho

William Rodriguez on his experience in the basement of the North Tower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZtqKiidlo

9/11 Cop says numerous secondary explosions heard in WTC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdc0OsLN_nU

FDNY describe the bombs planted in the World Trade Center:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64&feature=related

More eyewitness reports of explosions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2K0PbBvQjg

These are only a few of the dozens of videos documenting the eyewitness accounts of explosions and secondary devices (bombs) at the WTC on 9/11/01. There are over one hundred written accounts, as well.

So, yes, let's discard one questionable video and acknowledge the many other credible accounts that support the evidence for controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

Finally, since a close examination of every single element of the government's conspiracy theory shows it to be false, and you have to resort picking at one video which proves or disproves nothing, any reasonable person can conclude that you have no argument to present in support of your position (i.e. the government's conspiracy theory).

Your continued retreat into the land of zero credibility is not lost on any critical thinking person on Alternet.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

I will take a look at the second videos you dispute when time allows, and respond accordingly.

As for Mr. McGowan's opinions about Michael Ruppert, they have no substance to support them and thus there is nothing to refute. Mr. McGowan appears to have a personal grudge against Mr. Ruppert and nothing more.

Your irrationality and desperation could not be more palpable, GB.
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RE: Odd that your "source" completely supports the controlled demolition hypothesis of the WTC
Posted by: Crazy H on May 7, 2009 12:58 PM   
Current rating: 5

all have one thing in common they are counter to ockham's razor.

uh, no, actually - the government's conspiracy theory depends on so many coincidences, anomolies, and never-before-seen phenomena that it would fail as a James Bond movie, let alone the real world.

Controlled demolition provides a single, simple, rational, explanation that fits the observable facts much better than anything NIST has come up with to date. Occam's razor favors the truthers.

DISCLAIMER: I'm done with this thread today, dammit!
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RE: Odd that your "source" completely supports the controlled demolition hypothesis of the WTC
Posted by: EncinoM on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM   
Current rating: 1

Controlled demolition, depends on hundreds if not thousands of men to wire two 110 story buildings each one twice as high as building demolished by explosives in the past and then for shits and giggles a 47 story building. To wire them in such a way as to conceal it from the daily occupants. These buildings were occupied nearly 24/7. It would be impossible to do this over the course of one weekend as some from the truthiness movement have allegded, without thousands of workers. Then conceal the evidence of the use of explosive charges from NYPD, FBI and other investigators at the scene.

While the other way only requires 19 hijackers to get lucky and board 4 planes.
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The nattering nabobs of 911
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 7:56 AM   
Current rating: 1

Another demonstration of your monomania, PFConspiranoid?

PFConspiranoid IS AlterNet's most disgusting troll, who makes nothing but off-topic comments.

So, PFConspiranoid, how does it feel to be AlterNet's number one low life and King of off-topic bullshit? 


RE: The nattering nabobs of 911
Posted by: Wild Will on May 7, 2009 7:24 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Is this Spiro Agnew reincarnated?? Now there was a guy you could believe! Wild Will
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RE: The nattering nabobs of 911
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 7:49 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You're correct, it is Spiro Agnew.

Old Spiro was quite the accomplished tax cheat.

But you have to admit, even if he was a right-wing scumbag, he did have a way with words.

%^)
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More 911 "truth" video fakery. Proving, once again, that 911 "truth" is a fraud.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 7:59 AM   
Current rating: 1

The 911 "truth" crowd like to present still photos of the columns as proof of "controlled demolition." However, it's not what the 911 "truthers" tell you that counts, it's what they don't tell you.

Here's an example of a video by the 911 "truth" crowd that's a good example of the deceptive techniques they employ to substantiate their assertions:

Deceptive video by 911 "truthers" claiming Thermite was used to bring down the towers.

Now, let's watch the film which is the source of the still photos.

This film is an interview with two clean up workers at ground zero. Notice that one clean up worker states, "...You can see where they've made the cuts along...right above, that's the bow tie connection. They're cutting at about three to five foot above the bow tie connection, where it starts into the forming of the candlestick." The video follows:

WTC Angle Cut Columns during cleanup. Proving the clean up crews cut the columns, not thermite.

Obviously, the clean up workers cut those columns at three to five feet above the bow tie connection. The 911 "truth" crowd edited the film and removed the statements by the clean up workers. Next, the "truthers" falsely claim this severe angle of cut on the columns is "proof of controlled demolition".

Now, if that doesn't prove to you how dishonest and malevolent the 911 "truth" movement is, nothing will.



Hold The Lion Please (1941)
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Your video "evidence" is not "proof" of anything other than your poor critical thinking skills
Posted by: LeftWright on May 7, 2009 5:52 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

The clip you take from 9/11Mysteries: Demolitions is of a core column and the clip you present from the clean-up shows perimeter columns.

At best, this is inconclusive and not worth a lengthy critique.

There are verified photos of angle-cut columns, which were taken BEFORE the clean-up began, so you really have no argument here.

Once again, you seem to be grasping at straws, straw king; and demonstrating just how intellectually bankrupt and desperate you are.

I'm sure you'll continue to flog these videos for weeks as you have the others, and dishonestly claim that no one has responded to them, as I just did to this one and did to your other "video fakery" spam 10 days ago.

Try proving the government's conspiracy theory for a change, GB, you'll find you can't and that will leave you looking for an alternative and for any theory to be credible, it will have to account for all the known facts and be physically possible (something the government myth fails to do, btw).

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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You couldn't tell the truth to save your life.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 8:05 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Liar writes, "...There are verified photos of angle-cut columns, which were taken BEFORE the clean-up began, so you really have no argument here."

The columns were cut by the clean up workers, who arrived at ground zero on the morning of 12 September 2001.

Mr. Straw man writes, "...Try proving the government's conspiracy theory for a change, GB".

I never said I believe the government's story. How many times have I told you that the government's official story is a conspiracy theory and 911 "truth" is a conspiracy theory. Both theories, in my opinion, lead you nowhere.

Moreover, I don't have to prove anything. YOU are the one making outrageous claims; thus, the burden of proof lies with YOU, not me. And so far, you've proven nothing. So why don't you try proving the garbage Jones spews, or perhaps you'd like to give us a primer in Star Wars Beam Weapons and Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)

%^)

That fact is that the 911 "truth" movement edited out the portion of the tapes which prove the columns were cut by the clean up workers, as they recount on tape.

The 911 "truth" movement took stills from the video, removed the entire testimony of the clean up workers and then proceeded to claim that the angle cut on the columns proves "controlled demolition."

And that is about as low as a "journalist" can go.

911 "truth": A pack of lies; a pack of liars.
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Your reply is to post the SAME inconclusive video and pile more bales of straw
Posted by: LeftWright on May 8, 2009 11:42 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

As for the evidence of thermite and nano-thermite, until someone publishes a peer-reviewed paper that refutes or negates this:

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
By Steven E. Jones, Jeffrey Farrer, Niels H. Harrit, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen

http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm

you have nothing credible to challenge it with.

FYI - The controlled demolition hypothesis does not rest on angle cut columns, but is fully supported by the totality of the observed phenomena and the chemical evidence found in the dust.

As of today, 646 licensed architects and certified engineers have signed on with ae911truth.org challenging the NIST report. I doubt you could produce even 10 that would publicly support it.

Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that the demolition of the WTC buildings is only one part of the events of 9/11/01 that shows why the government's conspiracy theory is not supported by the physics and facts of that terrible day.

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.
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More 911 "truth" video fakery. Proving, once again, that 911 "truth" is a fraud.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 8:02 AM   
Current rating: 1

Here's the video the 911 "truth" crowd says proves the firefighters thought there were bombs in the WTC towers:

NYC Firefighter warns that there is "a bomb in the building" (carefully edited by the 911 "truth" movement, as you'll soon discover).

However, when we watch the ENTIRE video, we discover that the firefighters are not referring to the WTC towers at all, rather they are referring to a bomb scare at Stuyvesant High School:

Bomb scare in high school on 9/11.

BUSTED!

Now, if that doesn't prove to you how dishonest and malevolent the 911 "truth" movement is, nothing will.




The Conspiranoid Song.

911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The preceding was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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RE:Your "truth" is a fraud!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 8:47 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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Oh, you showed me, didn't you?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 8:57 AM   
Current rating: 1

You're about as deep as puddle of tepid water on the sidewalk.

Let me know when you decide to use your "brain" for something other than separating the wax in your right ear from the wax in your left ear.
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RE: Oh, that was just as deep. Buffoon!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 9:01 AM   
Current rating: 1

No magic calculator today?
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No, it's the perfect definition of the true function of your alleged "brain".
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 9:07 AM   
Current rating: 1

The hairy one scribbles, "...No magic calculator today?"

No, I wouldn't want to do anything that might cause your tiny head explode.

%^)
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Dr. Foo: "Socrates, what is torture?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 8:44 AM   
Current rating: 3

Socrates: "I define torture as reading PFGetty's idiotic and off-topic conspiranoid theories."



Again the subject is TORTURE, @$$, not 911.

Get it through your thick skull, PFTroll.
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RE: Dr. Foo: Or reading the rantings of a raging recovering alcoholic.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 9:05 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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Is that all you have, Mr. Brain-dead?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 9:08 AM   
Current rating: 1

Lies, unsubstantiated accusations and BS?
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RE: Lies, unsubstantiated accusations and BS. Fits you to a tee.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:16 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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Next time you shave, try standing an inch or two closer to the blade.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 10:28 AM   
Current rating: 1

Well, they do say opposites attract, so I sincerely hope you meet somebody who is attractive, honest, intelligent, and cultured.
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RE: With such juvenile, unintelligent comments, your theories seem much more credible now.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:43 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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Hypocrite much, unshaven one?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 10:52 AM   
Current rating: 1

You're the one who started with the "juvenile, unintelligent comments"--you lying sack of *** ****.

Why don't you try explaining why the 911 "truth" movement edited out the comments made by the clean up workers at ground zero, where they explain that the columns were cut by the clean up workers "3 to 5 feet above the bow tie connection"?

Tell us why the 911 "truth" movement edited out the FDNY firefighter's comments where he states that they are evacuating the area because they suspect a bomb is PLANTED IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, not the WTC?

You can't?

Then may I suggest that you STFU.
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RE: Can dish it out, but can't take it can ya. Is that you Cheney?
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:56 AM   
Current rating: 3

nt
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Oh, I can take it, unshaven one. Too bad you can't think or tell the truth.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:01 AM   
Current rating: 1

Notice that your replies are totally fact-free.

So, no answer for the deceptive videos, I see.

Proof positive that the 911 "truth" movement is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
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RE: We're not talking about videos you nimrod; answer my DNA question!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:10 AM   
Current rating: 4

nt
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I never claimed that DNA evidence proves they were Al Qeada, you said that.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:41 AM   
Current rating: 1

I said DNA evidence proves they were on board the planes.

Here's what I said: "...Conspiranoid claim [1]: "...The hijackers are still alive" or [2] "...There were no Arabs on board those planes, the bodies were never recovered."

The CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports confirm their Al Qeada membership and connections.
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RE: Hypocrite much, unshaven one? I started it with: Your "truth" is a fraud!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:00 AM   
Current rating: 3

Your twisting things to fit your "truth" again!
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No, you started by trolling. And notice that your comment is substantiated by nothing.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:04 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You're nothing but a cheap, ignorant troll.

Why don't you go and have your body shaved.
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RE: Apparently you have never looked in the mirror. Your a hoot.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:16 AM   
Current rating: 3

nt
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Want to see a troll, go stand in the mirror with your lying buddy, PFGetty.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM   
Current rating: 1

PFgetty is in violation of two AlterNet rules.

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

PFGetty is in violation of rules [1] and [4].

Troll.
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RE: YOU need to take inventory of your own shortcomings blindman.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM   
Current rating: 3

nt
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Really? From where I'm standing you need to remove your head from your backside.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM   
Current rating: 3

But then again, perhaps not.

After all, your ears may freeze.
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RE:Substantiated by the word "truth".
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 8, 2009 5:14 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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RE: Dr. Foo: "Socrates, what is torture?"
Posted by: kellysgarden on May 7, 2009 9:34 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

but the torture tactics that were OK'd by Cheney and crew were a direct attempt to gain an "admission" from the tortured that somehow might could have been used to show some kind of link between al Qaeda and the attacks of 9/11 or some kind of link between Iraq and the attacks of 9/11.
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They didn't need tortue to link al Qaeda to 911. That's BS. All they needed was the DNA evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 9:41 AM   
Current rating: 1

Conspiranoid claim [1]: "...The hijackers are still alive" or [2] "...There were no Arabs on board those planes, the bodies were never recovered."

The aforementioned conspiranoid claims are based upon a BBC report ("The investigation and the evidence", BBC News, September 23, 2001) which was proven to be untrue. The BBC issued corrections to the story. The retraction follows:

9/11 conspiracy theory by Steve Herrmann, BBC News, 27 October 2006.

The story reads in part, "...The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers."

In addition to identification of victims, the remains of all the hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93, American Airlines Flight 77 were found and their DNA forensically identified.

Remains of three of the hijackers were found and identified through DNA testing at the Ground Zero.

Remains Of 9 Sept. 11 Hijackers Held by Brian Dakss, 17 August 2002.

The article reads in part, "...(CBS) Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers...The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history."

Official: 15 of 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi by AP, 6 February 2002.

The article reads in part, "...Saudi Arabia acknowledged for the first time that 15 of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers were Saudi citizens, but said Wednesday that the oil-rich kingdom bears no responsibility for their actions...Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...'The names that we got confirmed that,' Nayef said in an interview. 'Their families have been notified.'"
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RE: What a load of shit! DNA can prove someone was Al Qaeda?
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:27 AM   
Current rating: 3

Now who's the conspiranoid ? Where did they get the original DNA from to compare with the DNA retrieved from these sites? What is the genome or marker that proves they were Al Qaeda?
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Yes, conspiranoid, all those coroners faked the DNA evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 10:40 AM   
Current rating: 1

Is there no straw you liars will grasp in attempt to preserve your facade of respectability?

Now you're trying to tell me that the coroners faked the DNA evidence? But never mind that the Saudi government, when presented with the DNA evidence stated, "...The names that we got confirmed that".

So even the Saudis agree with the conclusions made by the US team of coroners. But you 911 "truth" prevaricators and lunatics don't need no stinkin' DNA evidence, because you have the lies of Dylan Avery and Steven E. Jones on your side--not to mention deceptively edited videos and fraudulent "physics".

Your desperation, insanity and disconnection from reality are palpable, hairy one.

%^)
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RE: You didn't even attempt to answer my question; and stop
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:47 AM   
Current rating: 3

..trying to change the gist of what I said.
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I don't know where they got the DNA
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 10:56 AM   
Current rating: 1

And it doesn't matter, because to claim otherwise is to suggest that the DNA evidence was faked.

Now, since you're the one making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, the burden of proof is yours, not mine.

So, hairy one, where's your proof that the DNA evidence was faked?

Put up or shut up, conspiranoid.
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RE: I don't know where they got the DNA. Exactly
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:02 AM   
Current rating: 1

I never said the DNA was faked. Go back to my post and answer the damn question!
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You're an idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:08 AM   
Current rating: 1

The fact they were Al Qaeda was proven by CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports--and that statement is beyond proof.

What planet do you live on?
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RE: Yeah, I'm an idiot because you don't have an answer. WTF?
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:12 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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I gave you an answer, you bloody moron.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

The hijackers Al Qaeda membership was confirmed by CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports.

What part of "confirmed by CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports" don't you understand, idiot?
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RE: What is the genome or marker that proves they were Al Qaeda?
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:19 AM   
Current rating: 3

Where's your answer to that? Don't YOU understand, Bonehead?
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Again, you're an idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:24 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

DNA evidence was used to prove they were on board the airliners and thus carried out the hijacking.

The CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports are confirmation of their Al Qaeda connections.

Listen, are you always this stupid or are you just making a special effort today?
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RE: Believe propaganda much?
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:13 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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Again, you're are the one making outrageous claims, so the burden of proof is yours, not mine.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:18 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

So where's your proof?

Can't provide any?

Then may I suggest, once again, that you STFU.
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RE: You made the outrageous claim that DNA proved they were Al-quiada.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:23 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

nt
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Liar, I made no such claim at all.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:26 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I said DNA evidence proves they were on board the planes.

Here's what I said: "...Conspiranoid claim [1]: "...The hijackers are still alive" or [2] "...There were no Arabs on board those planes, the bodies were never recovered."
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You:They didn't need tortue to link al Qaeda to 911. That's BS. All they needed was the DNA evidence
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM   
Current rating: 4

Key words: link, al Qaeda, DNA evidence.
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Listen, idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:45 AM   
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The DNA evidence was used to prove they were on board the planes and thus responsible for the hijackings.

The CIA, Mossad and German intelligence reports confirmed their Al Qeada connections and membership.

This should be obvious to anyone with an IQ in excess of their shoe size--which evidently excludes you, sasquuatch55.

Linking in "torture" was entirely unnecessary as they had all the evidence needed--which was provided by the intelligence agencies and the coroners--to show the link.
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RE: Listen, idiot.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 2:19 PM   
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Did the DNA identify the names or identity of the individuals? NO! So therefore the DNA does not prove they were Al-Quiada no matter who claimed they were. Pure conjecture.
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RE: Listen, idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 2:55 PM   
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Pea-brain writes, "...Did the DNA identify the names or identity of the individuals?"

It most assuredly did identify the individuals involved; that's what DNA evidence is all about.

The remainder of your comment is idiotic because it's based on a false premise.
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RE: Listen, idiot. Stay with me here.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 7:02 PM   
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You still haven't explained where they got the original individuals DNA from. You need original samples to match the samples taken from the impact sites for identification. Can't you get that through your thick head? It still cannot prove they were Al Quiada; that is not a race, sex, or species. Can you tell if a person is Catholic, or a member of the KKK from their DNA?
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RE: A mathematical genius and a biologist. Impressive.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 10:52 AM   
Current rating: 3

nt
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An unshaven onanist and a liar. Impressive.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 10:58 AM   
Current rating: 1

Now, if you only had an IQ in excess of your shoe size, which I understand is something like size 19.

%^)
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GB could make a great comedian
Posted by: kellysgarden on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM   
Current rating: 4

But the truth about 9/11 is no joke.
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RE: Piss off; you got nothing but bilge water.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:25 AM   
Current rating: 3

nt
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sasquuatch55, I heard that you changed your mind. So, what did you do with the diaper?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM   
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Why don't you slip into something more comfortable--like a coma.
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RE: GuitarBUll : What a great mind you have.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 11:45 AM   
Current rating: 1

nt
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RE: Dr. Foo: "Socrates, what is torture?"
Posted by: Crazy H on May 7, 2009 1:03 PM   
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Then why do you continually egg him on? At least he posts different text each day.

DISCLAIMER: This is a different subject.
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Cart before the horse?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM   
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As I recall, egging him on would involve me doing something first.

The fact is that all I've done is reply to his off-topic comment, which is not a violation of any AlterNet policy.

In fact, it's PFGetty who is violation of AlterNet's policies.

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Clearly, he's in violation of rules [1] and [4].

Thus, he's a troll.
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RE: Cart before the horse?
Posted by: Crazy H on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM   
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You're clearly in violation of [1] yourself, debateably [4] as well.

AN's policy states:

'We ask readers to report comments that fall outside these guidelines using the "Report this comment" link.'

So there, nyah. :-P

(& btw, I've got a little list of questions that you've never responded to, either. But I'm saving them for a more on-topic discussion)
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RE: Cart before the horse?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM   
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Show when I've ever attacked an AlterNet writer.

And show me where I've made an off-topic comment that wasn't a response to an off-topic comment.

You conveniently forget that PFGetty started this thread, not me.

So there, nyah.

%^)
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RE: Cart before the horse?
Posted by: Crazy H on May 7, 2009 3:24 PM   
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"personal attacks on our writers or readers"

'nuff said.
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RE: Cart before the horse?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 3:36 PM   
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Nope.

I only respond to personal attacks with personal attacks.

It's called fighting fire with fire.
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RE: Off topic? Are you for real? Your the one that brought it up!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 2:22 PM   
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I sense insanity.
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More proof that you don't posses the brains you were born with.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 2:58 PM   
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PFGetty started this thread, or is that beyond your "powers of reason"?
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And another thing you'll notice
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM   
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Notice that not one 911 "truther" has one word to write about the evidence of video fakery I present above.

The 911 "truth" crowd avoids those videos like plague.

Instead, the intellectually dishonest scumbags who claim to represent 911 "truth" attack me with ad hominem arguments, which are used solely as a diversion from the subject of the video fakery.

I would guess that an individual who is as intelligent as you seem to be would have nothing to do with these people. After all, they lie, resort to video fakery and specious "physics". They won't discuss the evidence I present, and instead they resort to every form of misdirection and diversion in the book.

They are nothing but scumbags, liars, nincompoops and trolls.
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RE: And another thing : This whole commentary can equally pertain to you.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 2:25 PM   
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nt
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And notice that the amount of proof you offer is equal to your IQ:
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 2:49 PM   
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Zero.
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RE: You have provided all the proof for me.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 3:24 PM   
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nt
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Yes, 911! HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID! It's all about 9F*CKIN11
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 12:04 PM   
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See, I was wrong the whole time [spit, rant, slobber, slobber]. 911! 911! 911!

Get a clue! Uncle Fetzer (Jim H. Fetzer) says "non-classic controlled demolition from the top-down [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] using thermate and other conventional explosives" or "non-classic controlled demolition from the top-down using directed energy weapons" brought down the WTC towers. Uncle Fetzer tells us "all of these deserve consideration". Too bad that Uncle Fetzer and Steven E. Jones just can't seem to agree on anything. But I'm sure they'll work it out (duel with pistols, most likely).

Of course, Uncle Fetzer's best friend, part-time straight-jacket model and fellow rubber-room occupant, Dr. Judy Wood, Ph.D, says [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] that The Star Wars Beam Weapons and Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW) brought down the WTC towers.

And, and, [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] and, and then there's the "pod theory", dude. How could I be so stupid??? Moreover, any idiot can see "...that clearly aircraft # 2 B-767 - was radio controlled into the building Tower 2. The 'pod' mounted on the [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] bottom of the aircraft, is manufactured by 'Martin Marietta' Corporation in Los Angeles. The pod has been used extensively by the USAF for outfitting drone aircraft for over 22 years, and you can clearly see it in 4 of the amateur videos- just before impact, with tower # 2."

Word, dude.

And I can't stress enough [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] the importance of Holmgren and Reynolds "research" [cough] into "No Plane Theory" (which, by the way, is closely related to "No Brain Theory"). You see, your eyes were fooling you. Those weren't 767s you saw on 11 September 2001 [spit, rant, slobber, slobber], they were, in fact, holograms.

Yeah, holograms, that's the ticket.

%^)

And, and, and, and, [spit, rant, slobber, slobber] and, and then there are "pools of molten steel", dude, so obviously "they" used thermate to bring the towers down.


The Conspiranoid Song.



911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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RE: Definitely insane. I apologize for antagonizing you in your condition.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 2:30 PM   
Current rating: 5

Lord forgive me.
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No, I'm as sane as they make 'em. And no, God won't help you.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 7, 2009 3:12 PM   
Current rating: 1

If you want insane, look no further than Uncle Fetzer, Dr. Judy Wood, Ph.D or Holmgren and Reynolds.

Don't blame me, because the 911 "truth" movement OWNS each and every one of those certified nut-bars.

%^)
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RE: You always cite the 911 "truth" movement; I never have.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on May 7, 2009 3:26 PM   
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nt
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For those truly interested in investigating the events of 9/11/01, start here:
Posted by: LeftWright on May 7, 2009 4:37 PM   
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Web sites:

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

This site has statements from over one thousand very credible people who all question the government's conspiracy theory and support a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

http://pl911truth.com/

This site is for political leaders from all over the world who ask President Barack Obama to authorize a new, truly independent, investigation to determine what happened on 9/11.
 
http://www.historycommons.org /project.jsp?project=911_project

(please delete space following “.org”)

This site compiles mainstream news media information regarding the events of 9/11/01.

http://911research.wtc7.net/

This is one of the first sites to critically examine the events of 9/11/01. It remains one of the best, especially in regard to the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

This site takes a close look at the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 and is supported by over 640 licensed architects and certified engineers.

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

This site closely examines what took place with the planes on 9/11/01 and is supported by a growing list of pilots, most of whom have extensive experience flying large commercial aircraft, as well as military aircraft.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

This site is run by firefighters who ask why there was no credible fire investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 and who support a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

http://stj911.org/

This site takes an academic approach to investigating the events of 9/11/01 and presents numerous peer-reviewed papers on various topics related to that tragic day. Everything from the physical and chemical evidence of controlled demolition at the World Trade Center to the psychological aspects related to the events is presented by credentialed scholars with years of experience in their respective fields.

Films:

9/11:Press For Truth

9/11: The Myth and the Reality

ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11

9/11: Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction

Books:

Towers of Deception by Barrie Zwicker

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin

9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press by David Ray Griffin

The Terror Timeline edited by Paul Thompson

The War On Truth by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

America's “War On Terrorism” by Michel Chossudovsky

If you have any questions about these or any other sources, regarding the events of 9/11/01, please ask.

Be well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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RE: David Corn, nano-thermite and coverup?
Posted by: J4761 on May 27, 2009 10:06 AM   
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It seems the only time nano-thermite ever gets a mention in Alternet, it's in a comment by the persevering pfgetty. Which proves Alternet is asleep at the wheel, or simply duped. Good on you pfgetty for sticking with it, the truth is slowly seeping through. As for alternet, i've given up on them, i'll read the first article they publish that mentions nano-thermite though.
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By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted May 11, 2009.
Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan?

2009-05-11

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» RE: LIAR! When will you address the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial? Posted by: whole2th
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» More false accusations? Posted by: GuitarBill
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» RE: An example of how the 911 "truthers" use propaganda to "get that dirty Jew, Silverstein". Posted by: babs
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» Sounds like a plan %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
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» RE: See how conspiranoids operate? They can't refute my information so they falsely accuse me of Posted by: babs
» More false accusations, LIAR? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Again, different tactic Posted by: bingahaba
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» RE: Guitar Bill Posted by: sunnywater
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» RE: Stuff your dime-store psychology. Posted by: sunnywater
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» RE: Sorry, dude, I can't read Hebrew. Posted by: chomsky
» RE: Sorry, dude, I can't read Hebrew. Posted by: chomsky
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» RE: QUITE SO Posted by: babs
» RE: QUITE SO Posted by: chance garden
» CHRIS HEDGES, I READ YOUR BOOK Posted by: Dennis St. John
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Chris, the lies of 9/11 brought us the Afghanistan War. Expose those lies and you stop the war!
Posted by: pfgetty on May 11, 2009 7:53 PM   
Current rating: 3

Christ Hedges, you are one of my favorite writers. You go where others fear to tread.
And yet you ignore the most important story of all time, and I demand to know why.

9/11 brought us the Afghanistan war, and Iraq, and torture and the Patriot Act, and so much you hate. You know that, and I'm sure you have thought a lot about it.
And so you MUST know that the official story of 9/11, that told us agents from Afghanistan attacked us that day, is BS. They told us that we would be attacked again if we did not take control of that country.

In fact, if their official story is correct, then I guess Bush and Cheyney did pretty well in going after those who brought us that horror.
But you CERTAINLY know that the official story is bogus. Our own government was complicit in 9/11. The buildings at the WTC collapsed because of controlled demolition. I have, and I'd assume you have, proof of that. If you don't, email me at pfgetty@embarqmail.com

Alternet and the rest of the alternative sites have completely ignored the overwhelming and glaring evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. We now have irrefutable proof of that, because of the work of Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan and other distinguished scientists and their peer reviewed paper, "Active Thermite found in dust samples at the WTC catastrophe". Read more about that at www.ae911truth.org. But I'm sure you know about that. Any journalist who cares would know.

What on earth is keeping you from doing the responsible and patriotic thing: bringing 9/11 truth to the public. Please tell me and if it is a good reason, I'll not bug you again. But our future depends on it. Our world is a mess because of 9/11, and the truth would bring an end to much of that mess. We continue to slaughter innocent people far away because of those lies, and our own people continue to die, and I can't help but blame American journalists for the continued atrocities, all because they will not expose the lies of the official story of 9/11.

Please, Chris..........I wish I were in your position to bring light to the world about 9/11. Do it! 


PFGetty: The nattering nincompoop of 911
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 8:20 AM   
Current rating: 2

I see you've morphed into a broken record.

More soon, monomaniac.

And while you're waiting, PFGetty, please consider psychiatric intervention.

%^)
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Rabbi Michael Lerner, PhD –"I'm convinced that there are huge holes in the official story [of 9/11]"
Posted by: LeftWright on May 12, 2009 1:03 PM   
Current rating: 3

"I am an agnostic on the question of what happened on 9/11. I'm convinced that there are huge holes in the official story and contradictions that suggest that we do not know the whole story. ... I believe that many of the aspects of the story that have not been explored—and should be to put this issue more to rest, so I'd support a new and more serious and more neutral body exploring the whole story once again."

Rabbi Michael Lerner, PhD – Rabbi of Beyt Tikkun in San Francisco.  Founder and editor of TIKKUN magazine: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique of Politics, Culture and Society.  As a college student, was elected President of the Jewish Theological Seminary’s national college organization, ATID.  Contributing author to 911 and American Empire (Vol II) – Christians, Jews and Muslims Speak Out (2006). 

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Holding up a Rabbi does nothing to disprove the connections between
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 1:19 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

911 "truth" and Holocaust denial.

If the 911 "truth" movement is so pure, honest and lily white, why do the "truthers" refuse to disassociate from anti-Semites Eric Hufschmid, Christopher Bollyn (cited repeatedly by David Ray Griffin in every book he's ever written on 911), Sophia Shafquat, Kevin Barrett and Uncle Fetzer?


Not to mention certified lunatics © Judy Wood, Ph.D and David L. Griscom, Ph.D, among others.

Holding up a Rabbi does nothing whatsoever to disprove Eric Hufschmid's role in creating the American 911 "truth" movement. Nothing.

So, tell us, LeftWrong, why do you persist in spewing anti-Semitic 911 "truth" disinformation and propaganda?

I'll tell you why?

Because you have a hidden agenda.

We'll get to your hidden agenda soon, trust me.

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RE: LIAR! When will you address the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial?
Posted by: whole2th on May 12, 2009 3:09 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Woah! Calling PFGetty a liar seems to violate Alternet protocols of behavior. There is nothing PFGetty has posted that would remotely link PFGetty with lying.

Additionally, GuitarBill's attempt to get PFGetty to debate about holocaust denial is a deceptive, evasive and intellectually cowardly way of ignoring the volumes of confirmed evidence that PFGetty has posted here at Alternet.

Just as there is an "interrelationship of all knowledge", all policy paths in these times relate back to the big lies of 9/11.

GuitarBill needs to take off the blinders--or admit to being an agent of some group's interests.

Time to repent your evil ways, GuitarBill.
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"free-fall speeds"; "pools of molten steel"; "squibs"; "controlled demolition", etc.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 3:40 PM   
Current rating: 5

Sounds like a pack of lies to me.

And I've debunked each claim--"free-fall speeds"; "pools of molten steel"; "squibs"; "controlled demolition", etc.

Worse, after his conspiranoid theories are debunked, he returns the next day to tell the same lies once again. Yet, he behaves as though his propaganda was never debunked.

Sounds like a liar to me--not to mention a charlatan.

That said, this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with 911 "truth".

In addition, PFGetty constantly violates rules [1] and [4] of AlterNet's policy.

[1] PFgetty personally attacks AlterNet's authors. He regularly accuses the authors of being part of a conspiracy (everything is a conspiracy to a conspiranoid) to cover up the "facts" of 911 "truth".

[4] PFGetty constantly violates rule [4] by making off-topic posts on a daily basis. Since AlterNet rarely posts an article related to 911 "truth", and PFGetty ONLY comments on 911 "truth", this means virtually every post made by PFGetty is off-topic.

So, don't give me your malarkey about violation of "Alternet protocols of behavior".

Furthermore, Eric Hufschmid is a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier, as the hyperlink I've provided proves beyond a doubt.

Moreover, Eric Hufschmid is also the author of the first conspiracy theory related to 911 titled, Painful Questions, which was published in 2002. Thus, Hufschmidt is the Godfather of 911 "truth".

Clearly, 911 "truth" is a right-wing disinformation campaign designed to discredit the rights' political opponents.
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If not a Liar Getty is dishonest.
Posted by: EncinoM on May 12, 2009 3:48 PM   
Current rating: 4

Additionally, Getty has not poste volumns of facts but spews out sections of one article written by a disgrqaced professor.

Also it is not a debate about holocaust denial, but that the founders of the truth movement come from the far right, militia movement or harbor anti-semtic views, Kevin Barret being one.

If the leaders of a group can deny one of the most documented crimes against humanity, who can they be trusted to lead a "truth" movement.
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BINGO! BINGO! You win the $64,000 Question!
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM   
Current rating: 5

EncinoM writes, "...If the leaders of a group can deny one of the most documented crimes against humanity, [how] can they be trusted to lead a 'truth' movement."

Exactly! That's precisely the idea I'm attempting to convey.

Unfortunately, until now, that message has fallen upon deaf ears.

After all, if they'll lie about the Holocaust, they'll lie about anything.
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And 911 "truth" video fakery isn't lying?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 4:02 PM   
Current rating: 5

So, let's see, if Fox News employs video fakery, you're up in arms in a fraction of a microsecond.

If, however, the 911 "truth" movement employs video fakery, that's just fine and you'll turn a blind eye to the fraud.

For example, here's the video the 911 "truthers" claim proves the firefighters thought there were bombs in the WTC towers:

NYC Firefighter warns that there is "a bomb in the building" (carefully edited by the 911 "truth" movement, as you'll soon discover).

However, when we watch the ENTIRE video, we discover that the firefighters are not referring to the WTC towers at all, rather they are referring to a bomb scare at Stuyvesant High School:

Bomb scare in high school on 9/11.

Example [2]:

The 911 "truth" crowd like to present still photos of the columns as proof of "controlled demolition." However, it's not what the 911 "truthers" tell you that counts, it's what they don't tell you.

Here's an example of a video by the 911 "truth" crowd that's a good example of the deceptive techniques they employ to substantiate their assertions:

Deceptive video by 911 "truthers" claiming Thermite was used to bring down the towers.

Now, let's watch the film which is the source of the still photos.

This film is an interview with two clean up workers at ground zero. Notice that one clean up worker states, "...You can see where they've made the cuts along...right above, that's the bow tie connection. They're cutting at about three to five foot above the bow tie connection, where it starts into the forming of the candlestick." The video follows:

WTC Angle Cut Columns during cleanup. Proving the clean up crews cut the columns, not thermite.

Obviously, the clean up workers cut those columns at three to five feet above the bow tie connection. The 911 "truth" crowd edited the film and removed the statements by the clean up workers. Next, the "truthers" falsely claim this severe angle of cut on the columns is "proof of controlled demolition".

Now, if that doesn't prove to you how dishonest and malevolent the 911 "truth" movement is, nothing will.
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Let's meet two more anti-Semites at the helm of the 911 "truth" movement, shall we?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 9:24 AM   
Current rating: 3

[1] Kevin Barrett

Kevin Barrett--a member of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (founder, Uncle Fetzer) and friend of fellow Holocaust Denier, right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi, Christopher Bollyn--just happens to be the first professor to employ 9-11 nuttery in a college-level course on Islam.

Kevin Barrett just can't buy that Holocaust thing, as the following passage demonstrates:

"...As someone who has studied the history of Zionist Big Lies vis-a-vis Palestine, I cannot possibly dismiss the arguments of people like Green, Irving, and even Zundel. And even if the 6-million-deliberately-murdered-for-purely-ethnic-reasons figure is correct--which it very well may be; I have grown agnostic on that after studying the Big Lies of Zionism--I would still have to characterize the Holocaust as it is taught in the US as a hideously destructive myth."

[2] Christopher Bollyn

Christopher Bollyn is an interesting character with an interesting past. He's a former "investigative journalist" for the extremist right-wing, anti-Semitic tabloid Spotlight, now re-named American Free Press.

When Mr. Bollyn is not busy reading Mein Kampf, he can be found collaberating with conspiranoid whack job David Ray Griffin, who sources Christopher Bollyn throughout his books including Debunking 9-11 Debunking.

A former writer for American Free Press, Mr. Bollyn is currently a fugitive from justice. When asked about the Holocaust Bollyn wrote,

"...As I said, I have not seen at these three former camps any evidence of any large oven in which hundreds of people could be gassed or burned. Nor, have I seen any photographs or physical evidence of such an oven. I don't see how this could make me a denier of anything. One can only deny by refusing to acknowledge something that one has seen the evidence of. I have looked for the evidence of these huge gas chambers and crematoria and not found it in the places they are said to have existed. That does not make me a holocaust denier."

Thus, we learn, once again, that all conspiranoid theories are the product of right-wing extremists, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

%^)

The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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I've never heard of them.
Posted by: pfgetty on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM   
Current rating: 1

But you sure have.
So, GuitarBill, are you an agent for a particular lobby?

You seem obsessed about Israel, Jews, the holocaust.
Does this have any connection with why you are so ravenously against a new investigation?
Is this why you ignore so much information that shows the administration was complicit in 9/11.

I don't get it, actually.
Why not tell us who you are and why you have such strong feelings.

It will help us evaluate together what really happened on 9/11
I'm sure we BOTH want the truth to come out.
Unless..........unless you or your group would be hurt by the truth.
Is that the case, GB?

Do you work for or with Alternet?

Do you have any idea why Alternet will not publish any 9/11 truth material?
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More false accusations?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 2:20 PM   
Current rating: 5

False accusation [1]: "...So, GuitarBill, are you an agent for a particular lobby?"

You know the answer is no. You're just trying to change the subject.

False accusation [2]: "...You seem obsessed about Israel, Jews, the holocaust."

No, you ARE OBSESSED with 911 "truth". And every time you post off-topic 911 "truth" nonsense, you prove your obsession.

Recall, dufus, that I don't refute your crap if you don't post it first.

It's not an "Obsession" to point out that Eric Hufschmid, a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier, is the man who created the 911 "truth" movement. It's merely a statement of FACT.

False accusation [3]: "...Does this have any connection with why you are so ravenously against a new investigation?"

This is a straw man argument.

Why?

Because I'm not against a new investigation. What I'm against is any investigation that's associated with the 911 "truther" lunatics.

You people taint everything with your insanity and discredit real 911 investigators in the process.

The 911 "truth" movement is Karl Rove's wet dream.

False accusation [4]: "...Is this why you ignore so much information that shows the administration was complicit in 9/11."

You don't have any "evidence". All you have is minutiae designed to prevent people from seeing the larger picture of 911.

False accusation [5]: "...Do you work for or with Alternet?"

You know as well as I do that I don't work for Alternet.

Again, you're merely trying to change the subject.

PFGetty writes, "...Why not tell us who you are and why you have such strong feelings."

I'll happily tell you why I have strong feelings on this subject and conspiracy theories in general.

If you look into conspiracy theories, you'll discover that the origin of these ideas, in EVERY case, is a right-wing extremist, neo-Nazi, anti-Semite or Holocaust denier.

Moreover, when you check the details you soon discover that the conspiracy theories are ridden with inaccuracies and outright lies. In other words, conspiracy theories are right-wing disinformation designed to discredit their political opponents.

Now do you understand why I despise conspiranoid theories?
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Let's meet two more anti-Semites at the helm of the 911 "truth" movement, shall we? (II)
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 9:27 AM   
Current rating: 3

[3] Sofia Shafquat

Sofia Shafquat is a rabid conspiranoid theorist who, when not Denying the Holocaust, is the producer of 9-11 Mysteries: Demolitions.

Thus, it should come as no surprise to the reader that Ms. Shafquat peddles the DVD and Book of the Ernst Zundel Story. Ernst Zundel, the reader should be aware, is a major figure in Holocaust Denial circles.

Rick Siegel, maker of 9-11 Eyewitness, has threatened legal action against Sofia Shafquat for using his footage in what he says is disinformation.

[4] Uncle Fetzer (Jim Fetzer)

Uncle Fetzer is an interesting character, not to mention a certified lunatic.

When Uncle Fetzer is not busy attempting to power light bulbs by placing them in his yap, he can be found formulating "no plane" conspiranoid theories and calling for armed revolution against the United States government.

Uncle Fetzer was accused of anti-Semitism by Jonathon Moseley, who writes,

"...James Fetzer, a philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota who poses as a scientist, praised Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and promoted Chavez's proposal for an international criminal tribunal to put the Bush administration on trial. By e-mail, professor Fetzer accused me of being Jewish – sadly, I am not – because I disagree with his theories."

Thus, we learn, once again, that all conspiranoid theories are the product of right-wing extremists, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

%^)



The Conspiranoid Song.





911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.

Whoooooopp #@!%^$#**^ Snap *!*!*!*!*! Tweek*(&^%@# zaaaaaaaaaaaaap %^)

Ooops sorry, got to go, I'm receiving encrypted messages from my tin-foil hat...
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An example of how the 911 "truthers" use propaganda to "get that dirty Jew, Silverstein".
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 9:41 AM   
Current rating: 2

Question: "...Did Larry Silverstein conspire with the FDNY Fire Commander to demolish WTC 7".

Extremist conspiranoid claim [1]: "...Larry Silverstein said 'Pull it', therefore, he approved the 'controlled demolition' of WTC 7" [rant, spit, slobber, slobber].

%^)

"...I remember getting a call from the Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure that they would be able to contain the fire. And I said, 'You know, we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it'. Ah...and they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse." -- Larry Silverstein

Source: YouTube video of Silverstein's entire statement.

So, Silverstein remembers "getting a call from the Fire Department Commander" and telling the Fire Department Commander to "pull it".

Silverstein goes on to say, "...you know we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it".

But what did Silverstein mean by "pull it"?

Let's recall that Mr. Silverstein was talking to "the Fire Department Commander". With that important fact in mind, let's continue to debunk 911 "truth", shall we?

Now, either [1] he was talking about removing the fire fighters from the building, and thereby prevent the potential death of more FDNY personnel; or [2] we've "had such a terrible loss of life" that we should, for God knows what reason, demolish the building (with the help of the FDNY Fire Department Commander, no less).

(Are you beginning to see how insane the 911 "truth" conspiranoids really are, by the way? They're so far around the bend that they would accuse the FDNY Fire Commander of conspiring with Larry Silverstein to demolish WTC 7. Not only that, the "truthers" want us to believe that Larry Silverstein authorized the demolition by saying "pull it" to the FDNY Fire Commander and then--believe it or not--admitted responsibility for the crime in front of a camera?!?!?!? Now, the last time I checked, Fire Commanders don't demolish buildings; they put out fires, rescue victims and try to minimize damage to property, not demolish buildings. But I digress...)

Silverstein, however, did say--and I quote--"...they made that decision, to pull, and we watched the building collapse."

Clearly, the FDNY Commander made the decision to "pull" the ongoing fire and rescue operation in order to prevent further loss of FDNY personnel.


The Conspiranoid Song.

911! 911! 911! IT'S ALL ABOUT 9F*CKIN11!

Wake up! Idiots! It's all about 911!

"Fear...911...terrorist...911...terror...911...fear"

-- The following was a public service announcement from Rudolph Giuliani.
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RE: An example of how the 911 "truthers" use propaganda to "get that dirty Jew, Silverstein".
Posted by: babs on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM   
Current rating: 4

is Guitar Bill an Israeli terrorist?

the number of times he "mentions" Nazis, anti-semites, Mein Kamph, etc. (and why he makes the connection between Israel and 9/11?) makes me wonder if he is part of the supposed cover up and if Israel was involved (which is one of the theories), it makes sense that his replies to anything re 9/11 are verging on psychopathic panic.

just a thought... bracing for spewing hatred from guitar boy.
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No panic. Just sick of the anti-Semites and their lies.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 11:14 AM   
Current rating: 4

Too bad the 911 "truth" movement is the creation of an openly anti-Semitic dirt-bag named Eric Hufschmid (click on the link and read Hufschmid's hate speech, provided you have the stomach for it).

Now, you'd have to be an idiot not to make the connection between Hufschimid's anti-Semitism and the implication of Larry Silverstein and Israel as the perpetrators of 911.

Hufschmid's motives are as plain as the nose on your face.

Open your eyes and wake up.
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A different tactic to get rid of these ilk (and thank you!)
Posted by: bingahaba on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM   
Current rating: 5

Thanks for outing babs!

Now that you've outed babs (and one or two others), click on 'report this comment' and type in 'anti-semitism' on the subject line, and 'Please delete this garbage.' on the main section, with relevant details for the other fields - we can be rid of these folks - trolltreason posted an anti-semitic link the other day - I've reported it - has (s)he gone?
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Sounds like a plan %^)
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 4:22 PM   
Current rating: 5

Will do.

And thanks for your kind words, they are appreciated.
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See how conspiranoids operate? They can't refute my information so they falsely accuse me of
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM   
Current rating: 3

Being an Israeli agent.

This is a common conspiranoid diversion tactic.

If you can't refute the information provided ATTACK THE MESSENGER with false accusations.

The next dirty trick in their arsenal of lies is to accuse the messenger of "hate", when in fact it's the 911 "truthers" who are filled with hatred for Jewish people and, by extension, Israel.

You don't fool me for one microsecond, babs.

And your cheap, underhanded and transparent attempts to change the subject are as lame as your inability to confront the truth.
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RE: See how conspiranoids operate? They can't refute my information so they falsely accuse me of
Posted by: babs on May 12, 2009 12:29 PM   
Current rating: 1

touched a nerve I see, billy boy.

and yeah, talk to us about cheap, underhanded, and transparent, won't you?

you wouldn't know the truth if you fell over it. But you do have a rich and complicated inner life which we all wish you'd keep to yourself.

If you're not an Israeli terrorist, you are surely an AIPAC apparatchik - those paranoid knee jerk reactions are a giveaway.

but howl on if it makes you feel better - at least now it's just funny.
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More false accusations, LIAR?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:40 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Yes, hurry liar, attack the messenger, because YOU SURE AS HELL CAN'T REFUTE THE MESSAGE.

Loser.
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Again, different tactic
Posted by: bingahaba on May 12, 2009 4:23 PM   
Current rating: 5

Just report her(?) comments as anti-semitic garbage, otherwise they control you and the discussion, which tends to drive sincere people away.
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Guitar Bill
Posted by: weathered on May 12, 2009 10:56 AM   
Current rating: 3

I feel sorry for you, I really do.
eom
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RE: Guitar Bill
Posted by: sunnywater on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM   
Current rating: 4

Why do you guys even respond to him?

It's obvious he's here for the attention.

Human beings are social creatures and need social interaction, feedback, and validation of their worth. The emotionally mature person doesn't need to go hunting for these; they gain it naturally from their daily life, especially from their work and from stable relationships. Daniel Goleman calls emotional maturity emotional intelligence, or EQ; he believes, and I agree, that EQ is a much better indicator of a person's character and value than intelligence quotient, or IQ.

The emotionally immature person, however, has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention. It may be that the need for attention is inversely proportional to emotional maturity, therefore anyone indulging in attention-seeking behaviours is telling you how emotionally immature they are.

Attention-seeking behaviour is surprisingly common. Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love.
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Stuff your dime-store psychology.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 11:24 AM   
Current rating: 3

I'm FED UP with the lies from the 911 "truth" movement.

Face it, the 911 "truth" movement is the product of an anti-Semite named Eric Hufschmid and his cohorts Dylan Avery, Kevin Barrett, Sofia Shafquat, Christopher Bollyn and, of course, Uncle Fetzer.

Face it, you've been hoodwinked by very clever anti-Semites. And when you repeat their lies YOU DO THEIR BIDDING--period.

Deal with it--TOOL.
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RE: Stuff your dime-store psychology.
Posted by: sunnywater on May 12, 2009 1:14 PM   
Current rating: 3

Okay.

See ya...
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RE: Guitar Bill
Posted by: chomsky on May 12, 2009 11:37 AM   
Current rating: 5

Tying 9/11 refuters with Holocaust denial is a convenient way to silence those who question the "official" 9/11 story.

Why?

Because Israel benefits tremendously when Muslims and Arabs are vilified. It makes it easier for Israel to sell the notion of a shared destiny between it and the west (Europe, the US), as if both are fighting the same enemies.

Even Benyamin Netanyahou himself said so:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html
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You have the gall to call yourself "Chomsky" while promoting anti-Semitic conspiranoid theories?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 11:45 AM   
Current rating: 3

You ought to be sued for libel.

The fact is that you can't refute the information I provide, which proves the 911 "truth" movement is the creation of anti-Smites, so you throw up the "silence those who question the 'official' 9/11 story" canard.

The fact that Hufschmid was the first to implicate Larry Silverstein, the Mossad and Israel as the perpetrators of 911 should throw up red flags to anyone with an IQ in excess of their shoe size.

Hufschmid's motives are obvious to everyone, with the exception of delusional conspiranoids and anti-Semites.
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No weathered, I feel sorry for you. Your hatred of Jews blinds you to reality.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 11:16 AM   
Current rating: 2

And it's pathetic.
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RE: No weathered, I feel sorry for you. Your hatred of Jews blinds you to reality.
Posted by: chomsky on May 12, 2009 11:39 AM   
Current rating: 1

Hey GB,

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Sorry, dude, I can't read Hebrew.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 11:50 AM   
Current rating: 3

And I'm not Jewish--never have been; never will be.

I was raised Catholic, but rejected religion as a very young man. Thus, I'm not religious at all.

And you can keep your version of "reality" and the anti-Semites who "define your reality".
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RE: Sorry, dude, I can't read Hebrew.
Posted by: chomsky on May 12, 2009 12:11 PM   
Current rating: 3

The least you could do is learn Hebrew seeing as you're practically 'more Israeli' than some Israelis.
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RE: Sorry, dude, I can't read Hebrew.
Posted by: chomsky on May 12, 2009 12:17 PM   
Current rating: 4

You're not Bill Maher by any chance, are you?

He too claims he was raised Catholic but rejects religion. Even though he's half Jewish, he never mentions that (except in his movie Ridiculous where he interview his mother). But, boy does he blindly love Israel. Mention Israel in his presence and the man's pupils dilate, probably not from the drugs he smokes either.

Must be an ideological issue.
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Why not face the facts?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:26 PM   
Current rating: 3

You can't refute the 911 "truth" movements connections to Holocaust denial, so you change the subject and attack the messenger with outright lies and slander.

You don't fool me with your silly diversionary tactics. The only person you're fooling is yourself.
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RE: Why not face the facts?
Posted by: chomsky on May 12, 2009 11:50 PM   
Current rating: 1

I'm focusing on you, because your motive is suspect, brainiac bill, and because you seem to take both the Holocaust and 9/11 personally. It's as if your mission on here is to find a connection between the two, somehow. You clearly have an agenda, or at the very least, are paid to have an agenda. Which is it?

Don't forget to accuse me of being a self-hating Jew. That tactic never fails, or so I'm told by self serving hacks.
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RE: No weathered, I feel sorry for you. Your hatred of Jews blinds you to reality.
Posted by: babs on May 12, 2009 12:40 PM   
Current rating: 4

and you are surely an expert on pathetic.

And do you know that there are Jews outside of Israel? Yes there are! And lots of them do not agree in any way with your screeds?

If you're Jewish, I bet they want to punt you from their club - I sure would. They really don't need you right now. Nor do we.

I'll welcome pfgetty and his 9/11 hobby horse anytime - he/she is at least civilized - you are beyond rude - and aggressively uninformed.
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More false accusations? Do you ever tell the truth?
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:44 PM   
Current rating: 3

Come on, anti-Semite, address the content of my writing.

You can't refute the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial, so you attack the messenger.

Stupid neo-Nazi. Too bad I don't fall for your underhanded games, eh?
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hate doesn't motivate me at all,
Posted by: weathered on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

you simply hate what I say.

I do pity you, you're but an empty suit on the otherside of a keyboard living in a state of denial. eom
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Suuuuuurrrrreeee. That's what they all say.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 1:49 PM   
Current rating: 5

What? No braying "Waterboard Silverstein" for us today?

Right!

Weathered isn't obsessed by Israel and all things AIPAC. No, weathered doesn't hate Israel or Jews. He's merely against Zionism.

Jeff "the wig" Rense couldn't have said it better himself.

%^)
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A critical examination of Larry Silverstein's meaningless "pull it" comment:
Posted by: LeftWright on May 12, 2009 12:41 PM   
Current rating: 4

Mr. Silverstein claimed he spoke with Chief Nigro, but when Chief Nigro was asked about this he denied it and then put the denial in writing. When Mr. Silverstein was confronted about about Chief Nigro's denial, he stammered and could not provide a name of who he spoke with in this alleged phone call. I invite anyone to do some actual research and find out the name of this alleged "FDNY Fire Commander" as those of us in the 9/11 research community would like some credible evidence that the phone call actually took place.

That said, let's apply some logic to the two quotes:

Chief Nigro: For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Mr. Silverstein: I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

Chief Nigro clearly states that he didn't consult anyone, this would include other FDNY officials who purportedly had a telephone conversation with Mr. Silverstein.

Chief Nigro clearly states that he gave the order "to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone" "approximately three hours" before "WTC 7 collapsed".

Mr. Silverstein says that "they [the FDNY] made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" which implies that there is a close relationship between the time of the alleged phone call and the collapse of the building.

So, not only does Chief Nigro's statement clearly refute the consultation claim made by Mr. Silverstein, it also shows that the decision to withdraw FDNY personnel took place hours before Mr. Silverstein says it did.

The two statements are clearly incompatible and we are forced to choose which is the more credible account.

Since Chief Nigro's account is consistent with the known facts to date, I believe that his is the more credible account.

This leads us to conclude that Mr. Silverstein fabricated his entire "pull it" story for reasons only he knows.

I invite anyone to provide credible evidence which supports Mr. Silverstein's account, such as the name of the "FDNY Fire Commander" he claims to have spoken with.

Until credible evidence supporting Mr. Silverstein's account emerges, I think it is reasonable to conclude that anyone who pushes the "pull it" comment as evidence of anything is incapable of basic critical thinking and/or is pushing their own agenda.

Note that many other accounts put the cessation of FDNY activities in WTC 7 as sometime before noon, after they had rescued Barry Jennings and Michael Hess from the building.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Lying again, LeftWrong? Nigro is the NY Fire CHIEF, not the NY Fire Commander.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:47 PM   
Current rating: 5

Will you ever learn to stop lying, LeftWrong?

You're pathetic--not to mention downright EVIL.

You turn my stomach, liar.
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Name the NY Fire Commander, GB, or admit you have nothing, as usual
Posted by: LeftWright on May 13, 2009 1:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

You obviously can't or you would.

You have yet to counter the logical argument I presented above, which is not surprising as you have yet to provide a logical argument for anything, which is why you desperately resort to smear campaigns and juvenile insults.

You have absolutely no credibility on Alternet, and with every post you demonstrate just how intellectually bankrupt you are.

“I saw papers that show the U.S. knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes… I gave [the 9-ll Commission] details of specific investigation files, the specific dates, specific target information, specific managers in charge of the investigation. This is not hearsay. These are things that are documented.”

MRS. SIBEL EDMONDS (whistleblower and former top-level FBI translator who gave closed session testimony to the 9-11 Commission. The Bush/Cheney administration silenced Edmonds with a court gag order citing the rarely used “state secrets privilege”. Interview UK Independent 4/2/04)

Take a day off and read the U.S. constitution for a change and reflect on what you are doing.

Good to see that Alternet is finally removing your more egregious attacks.

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Cowardly lying 911 freaks refuse to address the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 12:57 PM   
Current rating: 5

But, then again, what are we to expect from cowards and liars.

Notice they won't address the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial.

Why?

Because they can't.

All they can do is attack the messenger with false accusations and outright lies.

911 "truth": A morally and intellectually bankrupt lynch mob, who would lie to their mother's if they though it would help them "get that dirty Jew Silverstein and evil Israel".
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Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian: "...the official account of 9/11 is false..."
Posted by: LeftWright on May 12, 2009 1:12 PM   
Current rating: 4

"When faced with actions that conflict with the universal moral principle that we should not do to others what we would not want done to ourselves or our loved ones, members of faith communities have a responsibility to voice their opposition to those actions. Many religious leaders throughout history have publicly challenged morally unacceptable practices---recently, for example, in the civil rights and anti-apartheid movements.

A significant moral challenge has emerged due to glaring discrepancies between the official version of the events of September 11, 2001, and the results of extensive independent research by individuals with relevant scientific or professional expertise. . . . As a result of this extensive research carried out by scientists and professionals, it can now be seen that the official account of 9/11 is false beyond any reasonable doubt. ... Because the false account of 9/11 has led to [numerous] evils, it is incumbent on religious leaders, once they realize that the official account is a lie, to speak out."

Sandra Lubarsky, PhD – Jewish Theologian. Professor in Religious Studies and Director of the Master of Arts in Sustainable Communities Program, Northern Arizona University.  Author of Tolerance and Transformation: Jewish Approaches to Religious Pluralism (1990). Co-author, with David Ray Griffin, of Jewish Theology and Process Thought.  Co-editor with Kevin Barrett and John Cobb of 911 and American Empire (Vol II) – Christians, Jews and Muslims Speak Out.
Member: Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
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Holding up an alleged Jewish Theologian does nothing to disprove the connections between
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 1:27 PM   
Current rating: 5

911 "truth" and Holocaust denial.

If the 911 "truth" movement is so pure, honest and lily white, why do the "truthers" refuse to disassociate from anti-Semites Eric Hufschmid, Christopher Bollyn (cited repeatedly by David Ray Griffin in every book he's ever written on 911), Sophia Shafquat, Kevin Barrett and Uncle Fetzer?

Not to mention certified lunatics © Judy Wood, Ph.D and David L. Griscom, Ph.D, among others.

Holding up a Jewish Theologian does nothing whatsoever to disprove Eric Hufschmid's role in creating the American 911 "truth" movement. Nothing.

So, tell us, LeftWrong, why do you persist in spewing anti-Semitic 911 "truth" disinformation and propaganda?

I'll tell you why?

Because you have a hidden agenda.
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Cowardly conspiranoids continue to avoid the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 1:44 PM   
Current rating: 5

Holding up a Rabbi or "Jewish Theologian" does nothing to disprove the connections between 911 "truth" and Holocaust denial.

The only conclusion I can make is that LeftWright, PFGetty and the remainder of the 911 "truther" freaks have NO PROBLEM associating with extremist right wingers, anti-Semites, neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Moreover, they feel no shame or remorse while they promote neo-Nazi propaganda and disinformation.

Thus, you stand exposed as what you are: Nazis.

Deal with it--TOOLS.
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Waterboard Silverstein
Posted by: weathered on May 12, 2009 3:07 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

he's dirty w/WTC blood, its all over his hands.
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Well, if nothing else, you certainly are predictable.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 3:42 PM   
Current rating: 5
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go play with your guitar already
Posted by: u2r1 on May 12, 2009 6:20 PM   
Current rating: 5

I retract my sincere suggestion that GuitarBill try to desist from playing his "guitar" so much since it's obviously damaging his mind. If that would keep him from polluting these discussions I encourge more playing with his "guitar" .
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Go play in the freeway, @$$face.
Posted by: GuitarBill on May 12, 2009 6:35 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

First of all, jackass, PFGetty's original comment is off-topic. Therefore, it is in violation of AlterNet's policy.

Perhaps it's too much to ask an illiterate to read the verbiage above the comment box before you post, but here goes.

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Thus, he's in violation of policies [1] (personal attacks on writers) and [4] (off-topic comments).

So, don't lecture me--you insolent @$$.

Now, go play in the freeway, @$$face. 



To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, Leftwright only ...
Posted by: EncinoM on May 12, 2009 12:03 PM   
Current rating: 4

Fairy tales and lies.

The truith movement is more then likely a creation of Rove, to discredit any legitmate investigation in the Bush years.

Look, how like leaches they attach themselves to topics no matter how remotely related to 9/11.

They allow neo-cons to paint all progressive reformers as a looney fringe element. Bill Mahr was right when he threw truthers out of his audience.

The truth movement is the left's version of the Intelligent Design movement. Both reject science and the scientific method and in its place have theologians at the helm.
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Debunking the Truthiness Movement
Posted by: EncinoM on May 12, 2009 12:33 PM   
Current rating: 4
http://www.911mysteriesguide.com/

The above linkis for a viewers guide another truthiness film. The narative for all the films run the same.
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RE: Debunking the Truthiness Movement
Posted by: whole2th on May 12, 2009 3:32 PM   
Current rating: 1

Yes, and compare EncinoM's "reliable materials" to WTC7.net, AE911truth.org, patriotsquestion911, and many other websites exploring the big lies of 9/11.

Do EncinoM and GuitarBill work for the same group?
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RE: Debunking the Truthiness Movement
Posted by: EncinoM on May 12, 2009 3:50 PM   
Current rating: 3

Teh websites are a giant circle jerk, quoting and referring back to each other. Their is nothing creditable about them.

Did you even view the document I linked to, or if its is not truther approved then you don't read it. 

By Matt Taibbi, True/Slant. Posted June 1, 2009.
Taibbi: No More Compromise -- Obama Must Wholly Reject Bush's Dictator Policies

2009-06-01

» truthout reviews "Torturing Democracy" Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Thanks for this, Sister_Lauren. A progressive site actually allows 9/11 truth discussion? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Thank Quannah too Posted by: weathered
» I've seen most of it now and........ Posted by: pfgetty
» Matt! For once listen to this: expose 9/11 and we will finally get Obama to do as we want! Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Matt! For once listen to this: expose 9/11 and we will finally get Obama to do as we want! Posted by: surfreality
» Immoral, illegal, and unethical? But it kept us safe! Posted by: pfgetty
» No it didn't! Posted by: brunowe
» Duh! You missed the point. Posted by: pfgetty
» Duh! YOU said it kept us safe Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Matt! For once listen to this: expose 9/11 and we will finally get Obama to do as we want! Posted by: weathered
» GIVE IT A REST ALREADY Posted by: RobbieUMD
» RE: GIVE IT A REST ALREADY Posted by: pfgetty
» Richard Gage shows the controlled demolition of WTC 7 on a Fresno, CA morning tv show Posted by: LeftWright
» Yes, every American should see Richard Gage giving his talks on 9/11. Posted by: pfgetty
» Your source is Faux Noise (KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno, CA). Posted by: GuitarBill
» Gage got 7 mins. on a show that must fill 5 hrs./day Posted by: brunowe
» RE: GIVE IT A REST ALREADY Posted by: MausMasher54
» Absolutely. And once we get the media to present some of this....... Posted by: pfgetty
» No Peace for the wicked Posted by: weathered
» RE: No Peace for the wicked Posted by: underledge
» Here are 41 people regularly insulted by Alternet and people like you.... Posted by: pfgetty
» Even on the other side of the world they see the censorship of 911 in the US Posted by: pfgetty
» I listened to your "truthiness", and it's a pile of BIASED bullsh*te. Posted by: GuitarBill
» PFGetty's mom: "PF, git your backside in the house, it's time for the Alex Jones Show! 911! FEAR!!!" Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB once again adds a lot to the discussion. Posted by: pfgetty
» It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hijacking another article with off-topic 911 "truth"--you maniac? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GitarSpill Posted by: weathered
» RE: Hijacking another article with off-topic 911 "truth"--you maniac? Posted by: GuitarBill

Posted by Jeremy Scahill, Rebel Reports at 8:22 AM on June 1, 2009.
Obama Has 250,000 'Contractors' Deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and is Increasing the Use of Mercenaries

2009-06-01

» Jeremy: The corporations are tonning it.........and that is why we don't get the truth about 9/11! Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Jeremy: The corporations are tonning it.........and that is why we don't get the truth about 9/11! Posted by: dmaciewski
» RE: Jeremy: The corporations are tonning it.........and that is why we don't get the truth about 9/11! Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Please stop complaining about AlterNet and shift your focus to be effective Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» We are all driven to do things differently. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I hope I didn't sound bitchy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I hope I didn't sound bitchy Posted by: pfgetty
» The article's title contains "Iraq and Afghanistan"; thus, I can hijack the thread with OT 911 SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: What you don't get (but AlterNet does) is that 9/11 IS on-topic, just not 'allowed' Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Lauren, you calling someone delusional is like Dubya... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: You guys are so easy to fish for Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Wow, tell me another one. Posted by: brunowe
» Bush & co. planned to invade Iraq even in 1999. They needed a New Pearl Harbor Posted by: pfgetty
» Hallucinating again, Lauren? Show me ONE thread I've ever hijacked. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I never hallucinate Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Just a dumb as a rock, aren't you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Right, that is why my ENTIRE FAMILY is in the 'Gifted and Talented ' program Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» guitarbull rocks on one note. Posted by: remo
» remo "rocks" on one brain cell. Posted by: GuitarBill
» thank you. At least I have one. Posted by: remo
» You have a brain cell? The only person you fool is yourself. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The only person you fool is yourself. Posted by: remo
» enduring freedom. Posted by: remo
» enduring freedom Posted by: remo
» RE: enduring freedom Posted by: weathered
» RE: Hey did you see this? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» They're squirming. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: They're squirming. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» The article's title contains "Iraq and Afghanistan", thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You are losing the argument Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I'm "losing the argument" because a delusional paranoid says so? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Rules? What rules? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» What rules? Idiot, how about the rules AlterNet states EVERY time you post Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: What rules? Idiot, how about the rules AlterNet states EVERY time you post Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» guitar bull and the great snow blob Posted by: remo
» Another comment from the terminally stupid. And your lame diversionary tactics are laughable. Posted by: GuitarBill
» the hot wind of bull, champion of debate. Posted by: remo
» No @$$, you exploit the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to promote 911 "truth" propaganda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» who exploits the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq then blames911 truth as propaganda. Posted by: remo
» Hey, let's get the editors of The Nation... Posted by: Teller
» RE: Hey, let's get the editors of The Nation... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Don't know Posted by: Erin
» RE: Don't know Posted by: ellie
» RE: Don't know Posted by: Erin
» RE: When was it not 'too late' for us to stop it Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» HOW LONG has Obama been in power? Posted by: jvaljon1
» HOW LONG has Obama been in power? Posted by: jvaljon1
» Otto Posted by: otto
» RE: Otto Posted by: Erin
» All killers for hire? What even the nurses and doctors, and ...? Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Killers for hire, even the guy who changes light bulbs? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I think you've gotten hold of the wrong wend of the stick ... Posted by: harryf200
» Good question. Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Since even the overall numbers aren't public, Posted by: oregoncharles
» Is this about Barrack Bush or George Obama? Posted by: harryf200
» Corporatist Democratic party Posted by: warrior woman
» RE: We already did that: Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Here is the hard part Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Any suggestions? Posted by: oregoncharles
» makaainana Posted by: Makaainana
» RE: Sorry, Posted by: oregoncharles
» Which Side Are You On? Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy
» Whay is "Contractors" in quotes? Posted by: YogiBear
» Contractors does not equal Private security firms (mercenaries) Posted by: EricC

By Max Blumenthal, AlterNet. Posted June 3, 2009.
Exclusive Video: The Radical Settlers Behind Israel's Clash with Obama

2009-06-03

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» Begin's Legacy Posted by: baci&abbracci
» RE: Begin's Legacy Posted by: mahabhusuku
» 1967 Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» As long as Emanuel/Likud infects Posted by: weathered
» RE: As long as Emanuel/Likud infects Posted by: Crazy H
» Are you Crazy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: It's far more important for the "truthers" to get Israel Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» But aren't you the person who inspired the tune, Thorazine Shuffle? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: No, that was a different song Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Are you Crazy? Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: As long as Emanuel/Likud infects Posted by: weathered
» Ten points Obama! Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Just coincidence? Israel's killing spree just before the O Team took office... Posted by: Sister_Lauren

By Pratap Chatterjee, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 3, 2009.
How to Stay Out of Sight While Making Millions from the War in Iraq

2009-06-03

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» We have to accept it: Iraq, Afghanistan, the War on Terror....all a rsounding success. Posted by: pfgetty
» Please give it a rest . . . Posted by: Moonray
» It would NOT distract and disrupt the progressive movement if........ Posted by: pfgetty
» I hear the theme from "The Twilight Zone" playing . . . Posted by: Moonray
» Here are 41 other people you can insult........ Posted by: pfgetty
» Why would I insult 41 innocent people, when I can insult you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Thank you. There's enough complicity, stupidity, etc. on the Bushies - they aren't smart enough Posted by: thekidde
» But those hard drinking, coke sniffing Arabs could do it, with the help of a man in the mountains? Posted by: pfgetty
» Based on whose word? The word of "Amanda Keller" and CIA asset Daniel Hopsicker? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Top military leaders knew 9/11 was a lie Posted by: pfgetty
» The article's title contains "Iraq"; therefore, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» PFGetty, your mom's calling you to dinner. Posted by: GuitarBill
» PF, you're violating AlterNet's "Post A Comment" rules again (so what's new?). Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: PF, you're violating AlterNet's "Post A Comment" rules again (so what's new?). Posted by: babs
» Grow unsightly warts thou fool-born fen-sucked flap-dragon. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Grow unsightly warts thou fool-born fen-sucked flap-dragon. Posted by: willymack
» But I've already puked on my blue suede shoes, on numerous occasions. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: We have to accept it: Iraq, Afghanistan, the War on Terror....all a rsounding success. Posted by: willymack
» Israel's fingerprints were all over 9/11. Posted by: weathered
» And that is why our media censors the truth of 9/11 Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Israel's fingerprints were all over 9/11. Posted by: EncinoM
» But PFConspiranoid, your conspiranoid theory doesn't make sense. Posted by: GuitarBill
» KBR crooked contractors Posted by: virgie
» Corporation X______(example Halliburton) Posted by: CTC123
» My theory is that if someone started wacking a few execs from Halliburton, KBR, CACI, etc. they Posted by: thekidde
» RE: They'd be in the news as VICTIMS, Posted by: oregoncharles
» "This year, of course, the protesting larder was bare." Posted by: oregoncharles
» How to accumulate wealth and power Posted by: willymack
» WE HAVE GOT TO LET OUR REPS KNOW THEY BETTER WORK FOR US Posted by: cori
» Isn't it amazing? Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Isn't it amazing? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Isn't it amazing? Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» End the Military/Industrial/Banking/Media Complex!!! Posted by: JohnTruth2001

Posted by Alex Leo, Huffington Post at 10:48 AM on June 4, 2009.
Jon Stewart Destroys Cheney (and the National Press Club for Good Measure)

2009-06-04

» But John Stewart doesn't go far enough: go ahead John and blame CHENEY for 9/11 as you should. Posted by: pfgetty
» The thread's title contains "Cheney"; thus, I can hijack the thread with OT 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 9/11 is not off topic with Cheney, he was involved in it Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Kay Griggs? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Her husband was a closet gay, like my father, I think it is VERY believable. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I "deserve to be in Jail"? Moi? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're not just insane, you're f****ng pompous too!! Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Kay Griggs? Posted by: montyone
» Yet another demonstration of GB's very poor reading comprehension skills Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Why can't they just admit it? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: But John Stewart doesn't go far enough: go ahead John and blame CHENEY for 9/11 as you should. Posted by: MvGuy
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Goebbels Posted by: Carts
» RE: Goebbels Posted by: EdinIowa
» Spelling Blues Posted by: When In Doubt
» RE: Spelling Blues Posted by: nap
» RE: Spelling Blues Posted by: nha16
» RE: Spelling Blues Posted by: nap
» RE: Shirley you don't mean that. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Shirley you don't mean that. Posted by: nap
» RE: Shirley you don't mean that. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Shirley you don't mean that. Posted by: nap
» On Recognizing Insanity When You See It Posted by: MTOLincoln
» RE: On Recognizing Insanity When You See It Posted by: nha16
» RE: On Recognizing Insanity When You See It Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
» RE: On Recognizing Insanity When You See It Posted by: Morell
» May 2001 - Bush puts Cheney in charge of civilian and military exercises  Posted by: LeftWright
» Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about the orders he gave in the PEOC on 9/11/01 Posted by: LeftWright
» Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about why he and his staff started taking Cipro on 9/11/01 Posted by: LeftWright

By Noam Chomsky, AlterNet. Posted June 4, 2009.
Chomsky: What Obama Didn't Say in His Cairo Address Speaks Volumes About His Mideast Policy

2009-06-04

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» Chomsky on the recent invasion of Gaza Posted by: Defenestrator
» samd Posted by: f2411
» RE: samd * Obama's "earnestness" Posted by: Jaffe
» In Word and Deed ... Posted by: mmckinl
» Fortress Israel... Posted by: adp3d
» After 60 years--- Posted by: Aquinas
» RE: After 60 years--- Posted by: gathaiga
» RE: After 60 years--- Posted by: atheistcable
» The best thing Obama can do is expose the truth of 9/11. But he made it clear that he won't. Posted by: pfgetty
» The article's title contains "middle east"; thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More transparent Al Qeada propaganda, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Since when does Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent have anything to do with terrorism? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo PFConspiranoid, your argument doesn't compute (so, what's new?). Posted by: GuitarBill
» Movie: "911 Deniers Speak". Exposing the 911 "truth" movement and Loose Change. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 1010 gitarspill Posted by: weathered
» Dithered, tell us about Silverstein, the FDNY Fire Commander and their plot to demolish the WTC Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The best thing Obama can do is expose the truth of 9/11. But he made it clear that he won't. Posted by: MaxBridges
» I too am frustrated by Chomsky's adherence to the "official" story of 911 Posted by: zigy
» This is a Sanitised Version of What The Invaders Did on July 12 and 13, 1948 Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: This is a Sanitised Version of What The Invaders Did on July 12 and 13, 1948 Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: This is a Sanitised Version of What The Invaders Did on July 12 and 13, 1948 Posted by: seekpath
» What Obama did say Posted by: solrev
» RE: What Obama did say Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE: What Obama did say Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: What Obama did say Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: What Obama did say Posted by: hilaryuk
» Enough..... Posted by: Spiritgirl
» RE: In a word? Posted by: nha16
» RE: In a word? Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: In a word? Posted by: gathaiga
» Dialog Posted by: lorenzodimedici1
» The Great Game in the Middle East Posted by: daw13
» RE: The Great Game in the Middle East Posted by: brian boru
» RE: The Great Game in the Middle East Posted by: daw13
» Obama is a beautiful and eloquent spokesmodel Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Chomsky is one of the few Americans who make me proud to be American Posted by: MeyravLevine
» May Israel flourish, Posted by: weathered
» BUSH LITE Posted by: Dennis St. John
» The Speech did do one thing Posted by: EncinoM
» moderate voices in the middle east, Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: moderate voices in the middle east, Posted by: weathered
» RE: moderate voices in the middle east, Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: moderate voices in the middle east, Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: moderate voices in the middle east, Posted by: Tweck9
» Israel makes their problem, our problem Posted by: weathered
» Obama is business as usual Posted by: bonapartist
» Is this the SAME Norm Chomsky. . . ? Posted by: Nuuon
» RE: Is this the SAME Norm Chomsky. . . ? Posted by: Tweck9
» That you think his name is "Norm" says a lot about how much you know of him Posted by: Defenestrator
» RE: That you think his name is "Norm" says a lot about how much you know of him Posted by: clresu
» Chomsky's a gift. . . Posted by: weathered
» Weathered please Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Weathered please Posted by: weathered
» We don't need Chomsky to interpret the New York Times. . . ? Posted by: vsargis
» RE: We don't need Chomsky to interpret the New York Times. . . ? Posted by: weathered
» Just think Posted by: willymack
» courageous speech Posted by: mrmystery
» Turn off NPR, your deluded Posted by: weathered
» Denials of Holocausts come from too many sides Posted by: joboost
» Nice debut Posted by: willymack
» Chomsky's Habits of Thought Posted by: BobBrrz
» RE: Chomsky's Habits of Thought Posted by: Graeme
» RE: Chomsky's Habits of Thought Posted by: clresu
» Retired Teacher Posted by: Peoria Teacher
» Stop listening to speeches and start observing actions. Posted by: -matti
» Israel's tactics 101 Posted by: weathered
» RE: Stop listening to speeches and start observing actions. Posted by: Peoria Teacher
» Obama should endorse Arab League peace plan Posted by: Garvagh
» Obama is a tool for the rich Posted by: chlamor
» israel is terrorist state Posted by: jejer
» Dual loyalty vs. dual disloyalty. Posted by: RedAaron
» How to negotiate with Israel Posted by: barefeet
» RE: How to negotiate with Israel Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: How to negotiate with Israel Posted by: barefeet
» Zionists and AmeriKKKans are spiritual brothers. Posted by: RedAaron
» Tiffany Jewellery Posted by: TiffanyJewellery
» On sustaining the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Posted by: RedAaron
» There are words and there is policy, rarely do they shake hands Posted by: cmagda
» If Obama had Prosecuted Americans Who Tortured Muslims, he would have more Muslim support Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» Never Trust a Bilderberger Posted by: editnetwork

By Arianna Huffington, Huffington Post. Posted June 8, 2009.
When Will Dick Cheney's Tower of Lies Come Tumbling Down?

2009-06-08

» May 2001 - Bush puts Cheney in charge of civilian and military exercises Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Bush put Cheney in charge of civilian and military exercises Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» and would that include the press......... Posted by: pfgetty
» Is PFGetty taking the day off... Posted by: EncinoM
» So LeftWrong, how much does Al Qeada pay you to post this bilge? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why is GuitarBill defending Mr. Cheney and other war criminals? Posted by: LeftWright
» "defend war criminals"? I didn't say one word in Cheney's defense. Is that all you have, straw men? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB defends not Cheney but the coverup. Posted by: pfgetty
» "The coverup"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about the orders he gave in the PEOC on 9/11/01 Posted by: LeftWright on Jun 8, 2009 2:39 AM
» RE: linked video Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Yo LeftWrong! Trolling again for Al Qeada? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why is GuitarBill defending Mr. Cheney and other war criminals? Posted by: LeftWright on Jun 8, 2009 12:57 PM   
» I didn't say one word in Cheney's defense. But don't let that fact stop you from lying. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Why does leftwright resort to straw arguments Posted by: EncinoM
» The lies will come tumbling down when Alternet begins telling the truth about 911 Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: The lies will come tumbling down when Alternet begins telling the truth about 911 Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» I don't think so............it is NOT over the line. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: It is not only this issue Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Is it only journalists who can't see? Posted by: pfgetty
» Once upon a time there was a boy who cried 9/11 Posted by: surfreality
» A boy who cried 9/11 - Wow nice fairytale!! Posted by: rt968
» RE: A boy who cried 9/11 - Wow nice fairytale!! Posted by: surfreality
» RE: It is not a fairy-tale Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Then YOU are definitely part of the problem.. Posted by: brunowe
» Talk about 911, get Alternet to expose the lies, and.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Talk about 911, get Alternet to expose the lies, and.......... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Talk about 911, get Alternet to expose the lies, and.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I would never even think of listening to the larger plots Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Maybe you are right. Maybe some people......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are getting it now Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» to Progressive Maniac, Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: how could they refuse Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: how could they refuse Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I agree. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I heard years ago half of the people in New York thought it was an inside job Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Here are some stats.... Posted by: pfgetty
» On the misleading stats.... Posted by: EncinoM
» Especially when you hallucinate about all this... Posted by: brunowe
» That would be nice if it would work, but it won't. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Blame the media Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» The article's title contains despicable; thus, I can flame PFConspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The article's title contains Dick: thus, you are one. Posted by: mdarlinggg
» Are your parents siblings? Posted by: GuitarBill
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about why he and his staff started taking Cipro on 9/11/01 Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about why he and his staff started taking Cipro on 9/11/0 Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Yes, somebody was stuffing letters, and it wasn't being done in a cave in Afghanistan Posted by: pfgetty
» Yo LeftWrong, your mother wears a burka. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yo Mother is a Burka! Posted by: D. Shenary
» Excellent point, D. Shenary, and that is my general approach Posted by: LeftWright
» Lying again, LeftWrong? Posted by: GuitarBill
» WTC 7 and Larry Silverstein's meaningless "pull it" comment Posted by: LeftWright
» How about a reality check, GB? Or will you simply run away again? Posted by: LeftWright
» Keep running and hiding from the truth, GB, you're only fooling yourself Posted by: LeftWright
» Shenary your statement is disingenuous, how can you... Posted by: EncinoM
» Why is GuitarBill defending Mr. Cheney and other war criminals? Posted by: LeftWright
» I didn't say one word in Cheney's defense, LeftWrong. But don't let that fact stop you from lying. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why is Cheney getting a lot of media time even here? Posted by: CarlaWaters
» RE: Why is Cheney getting a lot of media time even here? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Excellent comment Posted by: Zimbly
» RE: xcellent comment Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» War on Drugs..coyote chasing his tail. Posted by: Zimbly
» RE: Why is Cheney getting a lot of media time even here? Posted by: CarlaWaters
» RE: "the only reason he's doing it is no one's even thinking of trying to stop him" Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: "the only reason he's doing it is no one's even thinking of trying to stop him" Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Why is Cheney getting a lot of media time even here? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Why is Cheney getting a lot of media time even here? Posted by: maxpayne
» Wake up Arianna! Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: Wake up Arianna! Thats more like it..please continue Posted by: Zimbly
» Mathew Trisencusean Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean
» (President Bush.) Posted by: oldfart10
» RE: (President Bush.) Posted by: orwellturns
» b kenneth mcgee author Eyes Shut Tight Posted by: rfgtile
» Cheney is talking himself right into prison every time he opens his mouth, and Posted by: avidAmerican
» Cheney continues to write his own indictment Posted by: Defenestrator
» He and His Nasty Daughter Posted by: iolanthe
» Love Him or Hate Him Posted by: US Citizen
» RE: Love Him or Hate Him Posted by: US Citizen
» RE: Love Him or Hate Him Posted by: CosmoViking
» Why is he even relevant.... Posted by: Spiritgirl
» The Authoritarin personality... Posted by: popeurbanxxiii
» RE: What happens to the Authoritarin personality... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: The Authoritarin personality... Posted by: pfm
» RE: The Authoritarin personality... Posted by: popeurbanxxiii
» RE: The Authoritarin personality... Posted by: Morell
» Deadeye Dick Posted by: travelertoo
» RE: Deadeye Dick Posted by: weathered
» RE: either try the motherfucker for treason Posted by: weathered
» RE: either try the motherfucker for treason Posted by: orwellturns
» DICK'S LIES Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: DICK'S LIES...WON'T END Posted by: Brb007
» RE: DICK'S LIES Posted by: orwellturns
» Aqua Truths... Posted by: L5
» RE: Aqua Truths... Posted by: orwellturns
» Prosecute the Criminal! Posted by: jpinsatx
» MSM hearts Cheney Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Why the Warnings Were 'Ignored' Posted by: Ted Voth Jr
» RE: Why the Warnings Were 'Ignored' Posted by: CosmoViking
» Repeating Debunked lies doesn't help Posted by: EncinoM
» EncinoM is telling you the truth, Ted. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Why the Warnings Were 'Ignored' Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Why the Warnings Were 'Ignored' Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Right on Cue - EncinoM Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: ight on Cue - EncinoM Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Goodbye EncinoM Posted by: D. Shenary
» There was no molten steel. What you saw was molten aluminum. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Make it up, GuitarBill and EncinoM Posted by: MaxBridges
» Very well done, MaxBridges!! Thank you and cheers! (n/t) Posted by: LeftWright
» Out shopping for a tin foil hat? Posted by: EncinoM
» God-Given roles of gov't trolls, GuitarBill & EncinoM Posted by: MaxBridges
» Omygawd Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Omygawd Posted by: orwellturns
» As is often the case Posted by: willymack
» A vicious liar and warmonger, named Dick Cheney Posted by: Garvagh
» We can Posted by: wormfarmer
» Dick's tower of lies will tumble down when the 9/11 Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: Dick's tower of lies will tumble down when the 9/11 Posted by: EncinoM
» Well, what do you expect? Posted by: gorkman
» When Will Dick Cheney's Tower of Lies Come Tumbling Down? Posted by: artie
» RE: When Will Dick Cheney's Tower of Lies Come Tumbling Down? Posted by: orwellturns
» By the terms of his contract... Posted by: smendler
» The GOP NeoCons are still out there spewing their evil-To Stop Them Obama Must Prosecute Them Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» Never Trust a Bilderberger Posted by: editnetwork
Mr. Cheney needs to testify under oath about the orders he gave in the PEOC on 9/11/01
Posted by: LeftWright on Jun 8, 2009 2:39 AM   
Current rating: 4

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on 23 May 2003 appeared in the public hearings of the Congressional 9/11 Commission. He was questioned regarding the events in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) underneath the East Wing of the White House. He recited hearing the following:

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out, “the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?

Watch it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlM8Sui6-X0

Why did the 9/11 Commission leave out Norman Mineta's testimony and change the time line so that they claim that Mr. Cheney didn't enter the PEOC until almost 10am, when multiple witnesses place him there well before the Pentagon was "attacked"?

Mr. Cheney needs to testify about his actions/inactions on 9/11/01.

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.
___ {end}


Why is GuitarBill defending Mr. Cheney and other war criminals?
Posted by: LeftWright on Jun 8, 2009 12:57 PM   
Current rating: 2

And I use the term defending loosely because he has no facts to back up his "case".

Once again GB presents no argument to the facts I have presented above, only lame attempts at insults.

Why does GB defend war criminals?

What possible motive could anyone have to question the need to put Mr. Cheney under oath and get to the bottom of some very serious and important issues?

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
___ {end}



By Bill Moyers, Bill Moyers Journal. Posted June 9, 2009.
Bill Moyers: The Rise of Private Armies -- Mercenaries, Murder and Corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan

2009-06-09

» Bill and Jeremy, your next assignment: investigate what brought us all of this: 911 Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: PF, your next assignment: investigate what connection 911 has to Afghanistan Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: PF, your next assignment: investigate what connection 911 has to Afghanistan Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I hope I don't come off too bitchy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I hope I don't come off too bitchy Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Bill and Jeremy, your next assignment: investigate what brought us all of this: 911 Posted by: obamapawn
» Thanks Obamapawn. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Thanks Obamapawn. Posted by: lively56
» RE: Thanks Obamapawn. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Thanks Obamapawn. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: EncinoM - disinformation queen hearing some truth, rushes to fill in with noise Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» 911 "truth" is the brainchild of neo-Nazi Holocaust denier, Eric Hufschmid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Barrie Zwicker was the first one to openly question 9/11 in the mainstream media Posted by: LeftWright
» Zwicker gave his opinion. Hufschmid wrote the first 911 conspiracy book Painful Questions Posted by: GuitarBill
» Right Lauren, you can give me a '1', but you can't answer my questions. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: ight Lauren, you can give me a '1', but you can't answer my questions. Posted by: babs
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
» PFConspiranoid's comment is off-topic and an attack on AlterNet. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Bill and Jeremy, your next assignment: investigate what brought us all of this: 911 Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Thanks pfgetty; No One Is Yet Calling Out the Original Crime Posted by: edgar_michel
» Yes, Bill Moyers could do it if anyone could Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I have been thinking about community access Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I have been thinking about community access Posted by: edgar_michel
» 911tv.org will give you all the support you need for community access tv Posted by: LeftWright
» Yes LeftWrong, it's important to "catapult the propaganda" Posted by: GuitarBill
» "9/11: Press For Truth" film shown four times on Denver PBS station in one week Posted by: LeftWright
» Of Course What Leftwrong fails to say is... Posted by: EncinoM
» 9/11 truth goes mainstream on a Fresno, CA morning tv show Posted by: LeftWright
» "Left"Wrong, your alleged "source" is Faux Noise (Fox "News"). Posted by: GuitarBill
» Being filler on a 5-hour morning show isn't mainstream Posted by: brunowe
» Most people would agree that Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island is about as mainstream as you can get Posted by: LeftWright
» Not 42 years after the show went off the air!! Posted by: brunowe
» Anything to avoid discussing NANOTHERMITE, eh brunowe? Posted by: LeftWright
» What nanothermite? Posted by: brunowe
» Keeping your eyes shut and your ears covered, brunowe? Posted by: LeftWright
» Richard Gage presents 9/11 truth on major San Francisco AM radio station Posted by: LeftWright
» "critical mass"???? ROTFLMAO! Stop it, you're killin' me, "Left"Wrong. Posted by: GuitarBill
» AE911Truth on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory TONIGHT (6/9/09) Posted by: LeftWright
» A conspiranoid on a conspiranoid show -- Wow Posted by: brunowe
» Frequently Asked Questions about 9/11 Part 1 Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Frequently Asked Questions about 9/11 Part 2 Posted by: pfgetty
» Thnaks PFGetty, your "logic" was the best laugh I had today Posted by: EncinoM
» Frequently Asked Questions about 9/11 Part 3 Posted by: GuitarBill
» Frequently Asked Questions about 9/11 Part 4 Posted by: GuitarBill
» Frequently Asked Questions about 9/11 Part 5 Posted by: GuitarBill
» The article's title contains Afghanistan AND Iraq; thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The article's title contains Afghanistan AND Iraq; thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth Posted by: babs
» Are you back for another beating, idiot? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Just a double-talking hypocrite, aren't you "babs"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» So, now you're accusing AlterNet of "treason", PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» AlterNet doesn't agree with my conspiranoid theory; thus, AlterNet is guilty of "treason". Posted by: GuitarBill
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Eisenhower was not a Soothsayer Posted by: Purple Girl
» RE: Thanks for the Perspective Posted by: edgar_michel
» Outsourcing the enforcers Posted by: weathered
» War has always been for corporate profit Posted by: obamapawn
» RE: War has always been for corporate profit Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: War has always been for corporate profit Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: EncinoM Do at least a tiny bit of research Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: ncinoM Do at least a tiny bit of research Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Not Sure where You are Going With This Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Not Sure where You are Going With This Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: We know you are one of them, you want to torture people Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: We know you are one of them, you want to torture people Posted by: EncinoM
» Only way to change politicians behaviour is to Prosecute Them, Often! Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» A Brown Shirt by Any Other Name.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: You would think our government would protect us Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Corporations have merged with government, which was basically Mussolini's definition of fascism: Posted by: JohnTruth2001
» US Imperial misadventures...... Posted by: Spiritgirl
» RE: WE Have Fallen Posted by: edgar_michel
» Mossadegh (5/19/1882–3/5/1967) was not killed; he died of natural causes Posted by: mclemens
» This is news? Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» To Bill Moyers Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: To Bill Moyers... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: They... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: EncinoM: Present Your Research Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: ncinoM: Present Your Research Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Take the Time to Inform Yourself Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Take the Time to Inform Yourself Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Maybe You Need to Take a Few Courses in Physics Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Maybe You Need to Take a Few Courses in Physics Posted by: EncinoM
» edgar_michel, please read this... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: To Bill Moyers... Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: To Bill Moyers... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: You really need to read or... Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: You really need to read or... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: I Believe You're Wrong Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: I Believe You're Wrong Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: I Believe You're Wrong Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: I Believe You're Wrong Posted by: EncinoM
» According to the NIST report WTC 7 "collapsed" due to normal office fires Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: According to the NIST report WTC 7 "collapsed" due to normal office fires Posted by: EncinoM

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted June 9, 2009.
Do You Really Think Arabs in the Middle East Clapped for Obama's Speech?

2009-06-09

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» Please Posted by: QQOblivion
» RE: Please Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Please Posted by: weathered
» RE: Please Posted by: rnagisetty
» RE: Please Posted by: Erin
» All Torture must end. Remaining prisoners must be transfered to Maximum Security prisons for trial Posted by: yellow
» Yes, we still torture, and we still blame Arabs for 9/11. Obama was supposed to change all of that. Posted by: pfgetty
» 15 of the 9/11 "hijackers" were provided visas by the CIA Posted by: LeftWright
» At least seven of the alleged 19 hijackers are still alive (and this doesn't interest Alternet) Posted by: pfgetty
» You're a liar. The hijackers ARE NOT ALIVE. Posted by: GuitarBill
» All BS information from the US government. Why did they change the names on flight 11? Posted by: pfgetty
» More lies, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You're a liar. The hijackers ARE NOT ALIVE. Posted by: flaplather
» The Magic Passport Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: The Magic Passport/Black Boxes Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» You forgot the You're a Freakin' Idiot Theory. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Don't have an explanation for the magic passport, do you? Posted by: pfgetty
» All kinds of paper survived the attack. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The Magic Passport Posted by: hilaryuk
» Mr. Obama went out of his way to reinforce the myth of 9/11 in his Cairo speech, Posted by: LeftWright
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Linking to patriotsquestion911.com isn't proof, idiot. It's a circle jerk. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I WILL WAIT UNTIL A REAL MUSLIM PERSON COMMENTS ON THE SITUATION Posted by: joeocho88
» Israel's fingerprints were all over 9/11. Posted by: weathered
» RE: Israel's fingerprints were all over 9/11. Posted by: EncinoM
» Yo dithered! Tell us about Larry Silverstein and the FDNY Fire Commanders plot to destroy the WTC Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yo dithered! Tell us about Larry Silverstein and the FDNY Fire Commanders plot to destroy the WTC Posted by: desmodroid
» More "truther" lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: More "truther" lies. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: More "truther" lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: More "truther" lies. Posted by: desmodroid
» I don't care what the NYT wrote. Read what the Fire Commander has to say. Posted by: GuitarBill
» FDNY Fire Commander's own word prove you're LYING, "truther". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: FDNY Fire Commander's own word prove you're LYING, "truther". Posted by: desmodroid
» I don't care where you got your BS, you're wrong. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: FDNY Fire Commander's own word prove you're LYING, "truther". Posted by: desmodroid
» When did the firefighters place the nanothermite in the building? Posted by: pfgetty
» You make me want to VOMIT! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Firemen want to know what happened to their comrads. Posted by: pfgetty
» More lies, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I do not imply they conspired. Posted by: pfgetty
» And your "nanothermite" theory is garbage, too. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The "truthers" have repeatedly lied about the fire fighters. Here's an example. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Here's a fireman who doesn't believe your story and your comrads, GB....... Posted by: pfgetty
» More quote abuse by Prison Planet's Alex Jones, Conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Here's a fireman who doesn't believe your story and your comrads, GB....... Posted by: pfgetty
» So what does a frivolous lawsuit prove? Posted by: GuitarBill
» As the polls tell us, 40% of NYers don't believe the official story Posted by: pfgetty
» Now we get the phony "poll". Do you have any REAL evidence? Posted by: GuitarBill
» So a poll isn't evidence of how people are thinking? Posted by: pfgetty
» More "nanothermite" lies, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» About a ton. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: "About a ton." Crap. BS! Lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nanothermite is experimental.......part of military research Posted by: pfgetty
» Proof, PFConspiranoid. Not your opinion. Posted by: GuitarBill
» "A ton"? Think again, conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» It's not my math Posted by: pfgetty
» "nanothermite"? "thermate"? "thermite"? BS! Posted by: GuitarBill
» You are just frothing at the mouth with no evidence.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» So, where's your evidence? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You don't like the idea of investigating who made the nanothermite, do you? Posted by: pfgetty
» You don't have any proof of "nanothermite". Posted by: GuitarBill
» aren't you the silly one. Posted by: pfgetty
» desmodroid - prolonged cognitive dissonance can cause increasing levels of irrationality and anger Posted by: LeftWright
» What do REAL structural Engineers have to say about 911. (Peer Reviewed Papers, not conspiranoid BS) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: desmodroid - prolonged cognitive dissonance can cause increasing levels of irrationality and anger Posted by: desmodroid
» RE: Yo dithered! Tell us about Larry Silverstein and the FDNY Fire Commanders plot to destroy the WT Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Is Silverstein talking to the FDNY Fire Commander, or not? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I WILL WAIT UNTIL A REAL MUSLIM PERSON COMMENTS ON THE SITUATION Posted by: hilaryuk
» The article's title contains Arabs and Middle East; thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The article's title contains Arabs and Middle East; thus, I can hijack the thread with 911 "truth" Posted by: hilaryuk
» I didn't encourage him to hijack the thread. He did it all by himself. Posted by: GuitarBill
» If you think the subject of this article is important, Posted by: pfgetty
» Hey, speaking of hijacking... Posted by: photon's feather
» What's the matter? Posted by: photon's feather
» And you don't have the sense, or the self discipline........ Posted by: pfgetty
» Hey, just because you failed to completely hijack this thread... Posted by: photon's feather
» photon's feather - the 9/11 issue is not "off topic" in regard to this article Posted by: LeftWright
» Wrong! Posted by: photon's feather
» morgan1 Posted by: morgan1
» RE: morgan1 Posted by: Basenjis
» Time for the truth.... Posted by: Spiritgirl
» Get rid of that Obama photo Posted by: Aquinas
» No beef with the article here but... Posted by: maddy
» RE: Get rid of that Obama photo -- Why? Posted by: photon's feather
» Not sure if all Arabs are cheering, but I'm pretty sure Israelis aren't Posted by: desmodroid
» RE: Not sure if all Arabs are cheering, but I'm pretty sure Israelis aren't Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» America has no monopoly on idiocy... Posted by: leafsong1
» Jesus loves you but we don't Posted by: sirios
» Fear Rules Our World Posted by: Southern Gal
» Obama needs to pull all US forces out of Iraq asap Posted by: Garvagh
» 911 and the AWACS Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com
» I believe you're thinking of the E-4B planes the Pentagon had up on 9/11 for their military "drills" Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: I believe you're thinking of the E-4B planes the Pentagon had up on 9/11 for their military "drills" Posted by: Basenjis
» After a tough day of bombing ..... Posted by: Kahoneez
» RE: After a tough day of bombing ..... Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» Progressives must act now to build a third party Posted by: Paul_C
» RE: Progressives must act now to build a third party Posted by: photon's feather
» 10.3: Enable the floating Exposé blob Posted by: brg8

By Marjorie Cohn and Kathleen Gilberd, PoliPoint Press. Posted June 13, 2009.
Rules of Disengagement: What You Can Do To End Illegal Wars

2009-06-13

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» If you can't see it, you're not looking Posted by: Fog
» Ohh i can see very clearly as healthcare reform is opening my eye wide! Posted by: Bearzerker
» "What has changed?" Well, for one thing, the IQ of the president has risen by 50 points. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: "What has changed?" Well, for one thing, the IQ of the president has risen by 50 points. Posted by: Deathbunny
» Margerie, what YOU can do and ALL of us can do is expose the lies of 911 if you want to end the wars Posted by: pfgetty
» Here's a place where you, Margerie, and other journalists, can start: World For 911 truth Posted by: pfgetty
» The article's title says Illegal Wars; thus, I can post OT 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» What do REAL Structural Engineers have to say about 911. (Peer Reviewed Papers, not conspiranoid BS) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who is Kevin Ryan, and why was he fired by Underwriters Laboratory? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who is David Ray Grifter, and why is he connected to so many neo-Nazis? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well PFConspiranoid, what's it going to be? Posted by: GuitarBill
» With hold your tax money as a protest Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» What do you mean withhold? How about learning if you're supposed to be taxed at all! Posted by: Fog
» RE: What do you mean withhold? How about learning if you're supposed to be taxed at all! Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» MyLeftFoot...How do you propose the millions of people whose taxes are taken directly from their.. Posted by: rafaeltoral
» RE: MyLeftFoot...How do you propose the millions of people whose taxes are taken directly from their Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: MyLeftFoot...How do you propose the millions of people whose taxes are taken directly from their Posted by: rafaeltoral
» RE: MyLeftFoot...How do you propose the millions of people whose taxes are taken directly from their Posted by: rafaeltoral
» For most that would mean quitting their jobs. Posted by: rafaeltoral
» Unlimited Funding for Wars in the "Federal" [non]Reserve Posted by: whole2th
» Pls. free US from Israel Posted by: weathered
» What can you do to end illegal wars? Posted by: sirios
» Impeach Obama Posted by: johnwinthrop
» How about the mercenaries? Posted by: premarachel
» The war racket Posted by: willymack
» we're suppose to be after Usama Bin laden... and thats a police action! Posted by: Bearzerker
» Bin laden's on the back 9 Posted by: weathered
» Let's unify our world. Posted by: WeLoveOurWorld
» Sounds good except... Posted by: Deathbunny

By Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet. Posted June 17, 2009.
Shame: The 'Anti-War' Democrats Who Sold Out

2009-06-17

» Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: popham
» It is hard to believe Jeremy doesn't know the truth Posted by: pfgetty
» Loose Change... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: baldo
» Yes, one person can not take on all of that......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: GatoPreto
» Is that right? 3%? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: lively56
» I hope you are right. Posted by: pfgetty
» Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: mikeblack
» ROTFLMAO! %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: clresu
» RE: Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: mikeblack Posted by: clresu
» RE: mikeblack Posted by: clresu
» RE: mikeblack Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: mikeblack Posted by: clresu
» RE: Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM. Posted by: muggs131
» Who is David Ray Grifter, and why is he connected to so many neo-Nazis? Posted by: GuitarBill
» And your job, PFConspiranoid? To lie for Al Qeada. Posted by: GuitarBill
» So, what's it going to be, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Numbing of conscience Posted by: james108
» RE: Numbing of conscience Posted by: EncinoM
» Making up a movement Posted by: james108
» Your failure Posted by: EncinoM
» Truth by reality Posted by: james108
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war? Posted by: kungfuma

By Ira Chernus, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 26, 2009.
Americans' Unfettered Support for Israel Is Beginning to Erode -- And That May Help the Peace Process

2009-06-26

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» And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: To Hell with Israel! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: charges of anti-Semitism Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Here's what a Holocaust Survivor says about it: Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Here's what a Holocaust Survivor says about it: Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Here's what a Holocaust Survivor says about it: Posted by: pfgetty
» "electronicintifada.net"? No Al Qeada propaganda there, right PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Crazy Lauren, wrong again Posted by: brunowe
» ROTFLMAO! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: OTFLMAO! Posted by: yellow
» RE: We all know semite is ... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» No you don't, and are ignorant of the history of the term... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Crazy Lauren, wrong again Posted by: yellow
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: joelsk44039
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: EncinoM
» Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» RE: I agree with weathered Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: The fiction of Israel's guilt with regard 9/11 Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Thank You Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Thank You Posted by: weathered
» Weathered Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: The fiction of Israel's guilt with regard 9/11 Posted by: yellow
» RE: The fiction of Israel's guilt with regard 9/11 Posted by: zigy
» RE: Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: Aquinas
» Waterboard Dithered Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Waterboard Dithered Posted by: Aquinas
» RE: Waterboard Dithered Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Waterboard Dithered Posted by: weathered
» RE: Waterboard Dithered Posted by: EncinoM
» Yes, what in the world should make a person so worried about more information? Posted by: pfgetty
» No need to resort to ad hominim attacks... Posted by: zigy
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers Posted by: Jaipurr
» The article's title contains Israel; thus, I can post my off-topic Al Qeada propaganda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Al Qeada hijacks airliners; PFConspiranoid hijacks AlterNet threads. Connections? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Al Qeada hijacks airliners; PFConspiranoid hijacks AlterNet threads. Connections? Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» Coming from a conspiracy nutter of your ilk, that's rich. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Coming from a conspiracy nutter of your ilk, that's rich. Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 trut Posted by: Aquinas
» Good point. The charge of "antisemitism" is losing it's sting. Posted by: pfgetty
» One breakthrough: one tv station will present Press For Truth....about 911 Posted by: pfgetty
» Very well said... Posted by: zigy
» Let's have some really shocking news Posted by: atheistcable
» RE: Jesus visits Jerusalem and rides in on a white horse Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I'm not convinced yet Posted by: james108
» RE: I get the sense Israeli intelligence has a lot of dirt on them - me too Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» The reason why support is and should be waning is Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: The reason why support is and should be waning is - it is time, FINALLY. Posted by: symcokid
» There are crooks who are called Nazis or Zionists. Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu
» The political state of Israel Posted by: weathered
» TIME TO GROW UP, ISRAEL Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: TIME TO GROW UP, ISRAEL Posted by: weathered
» Palestinians are prisoners in there own land ----- Posted by: symcokid
» RE: The Jewish holocaust pales in comparison to the Indigenous genocide in this USofA. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» So Crazy Lauren, how's that race against Pelosi going? Posted by: brunowe
» The overriding role of the US media Posted by: hilaryuk
» The MSM cannot tell the truth about Zionism Posted by: thornwolf
» GIVE PALESTINE BACK TO THE PALESTINIANS Posted by: IRIQUOIS227
» Zionists have been committing genocide against Palestinians ever since Apartheid Israel... Posted by: JohnTruth2001
» RE: How dare you blame the Illuminati for what the Christians are doing! Posted by: Changling
» The Problem Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: The Problem Posted by: jackman
» US as friend of Israel must tell Israel to get out of West Bank Posted by: Garvagh
» RE: US as friend of Israel must tell Israel to get out of West Bank Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: US as friend of Israel must tell Israel to get out of West Bank, ISRAEL HAS TO BE FORCED OUT! Posted by: symcokid
» Agreed Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Agreed Posted by: rinthy
» RE: Agreed Posted by: brunowe
» A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: manderson
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: brunowe
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: donl51
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: brunowe
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: donl51
» RE: A comment from FromTheWilderness Posted by: rinthy
» RE: A comment for manderson..damn well written! Posted by: donl51
» If Americans Knew Posted by: Defenestrator
» Maybe Americans should try reading! Posted by: donl51
» Holocaust No More! Posted by: dageofaquarius
» This link w/Israel, Posted by: weathered
» RE: Holocaust No More! Posted by: donl51
» THE TIME IS OVER-RIPE Posted by: shd1230
» Thankfully I''never'' believed in that old narrative Posted by: donl51
» RE: Thankfully I''never'' believed in that old narrative but you still don't know shit about history Posted by: yellow
» Stop Israel Posted by: JonA
» RE: Stop Israel - Stop Israel in this USofA first! Posted by: symcokid
» article informative and interesting, comments went awry with 1st one Posted by: whealeydj
» "Semite" defined Posted by: thornwolf
» Zionists are not Semites Posted by: thornwolf

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted June 27, 2009.
'A Comedy of Errors': Why It's Time to Get Rid of the So-Called Terrorist Watch List

2009-06-27

» The only people who SHOULD be on the watch list is our highest officials...for the 911 attacks. Posted by: pfgetty
» EXTORTION of Congress, Courts Posted by: whole2th
» RE: XTORTION of Congress, Courts Posted by: pfgetty
» The article's title contains the word terrorist; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 "truth" SPAM Posted by: GuitarBill
» Al Qeada hijacks airliners; PF Conspiranoid hijacks AlterNet threads. Coincidence? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Holocaust denier? 911 denier? Coincidence? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Buitar Bill, are you getting checks for a private contractor confidential operator position Posted by: Silverhawk
» Right! Anyone who doesn't agree with your idiotic conspiracy garbage must work for "the government". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Guitar Bill, you are either a wacko nut case or DHS/FBI confidential operator Posted by: Silverhawk
» More delusional raving, conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Guitar 'Drama King' Bill - quit while you're behind's exposed to everyone on AlerNet and DHS Posted by: Silverhawk
» RE: Do they pay operators for each harassment on AlterNet nowdays, not like Black Panther operators Posted by: Silverhawk
» Do they pay conspiranoids to hijack threads with off-topic nonsense? Posted by: GuitarBill
» SilverSquack, you strawman argument spewing conspiranoid toilet water connoisseur Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: SilverSquack, you strawman argument spewing conspiranoid toilet water connoisseur Posted by: Silverhawk
» RE: ight! Anyone who doesn't agree with your idiotic conspiracy garbage must work for "the government". Posted by: Wild Will
» There ARE some successes.....one tv station breaks the censorship of 911!!! Posted by: pfgetty
» Not, really, since the Movie doesn't suppport most tenants of the truthiness movement. Posted by: EncinoM
» If "Loose Change" is the "truth" about 911, why are there THREE versions of the movie? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: So you're not the FBI? Then you're working for one of the Virgina Neocon professional harassers Posted by: Silverhawk

By Emily Spence, Consortium News. Posted June 30, 2009.
Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?

2009-06-30

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» Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers Posted by: whole2th
» Yes, Emily Spence..........it won't stop until the lies of 911 are exposed. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Yes, Emily Spence..........it won't stop until the lies of 911 are exposed. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» What an insult! Posted by: hotar
» hotar....Vedic sacrificial priest--or Judas Goat? Posted by: whole2th
» RE: Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers Posted by: EncinoM
» "9/11 factualists"? Bullsh*t! Try "911 Denier", conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo Conspiranoid! Who is David Ray Grifter, and why is he connected to so many neo-Nazis? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo conspiranoid! Why do you use video fakery to lie to the American public? Posted by: GuitarBill
» What do REAL Structural Engineers have to say about 911. (Peer Reviewed Papers, not conspiranoid BS) Posted by: GuitarBill
» "911 Mysteries--Demolitions" a "documentary" produced by Sophia Shafquat? Bunk! Propaganda! Lies! Posted by: GuitarBill
» "911 Missing Links" was produced by prothink.org, a neo-Nazi organization. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Please excuse the typo Posted by: GuitarBill
» No excuses, fool. Posted by: mdarlinggg
» 'Fool' should be spelled, 'dumbass'. Posted by: mdarlinggg
» Yes, and "mdarlinggg" is pronounced microcephalic moron. Posted by: GuitarBill
» That's correct. For you there is no excuse. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: IT IS GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE... Posted by: joeocho88
» They targeted truth tellers Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» chasp Posted by: chaspack
» RE: chasp Posted by: photon's feather
» Original Intent Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: ellie
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Original Intent Posted by: photon's feather
» Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Belated thanks for the info Posted by: photon's feather
» electronic surveillance Posted by: vasumurti
» So how is the US different from Iran Posted by: harpy
» Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents? Posted by: Zimbly
» Right-on, brother Z... Posted by: zigy
» RE: ight-on, brother Z... Posted by: Zimbly
» Where To Start Posted by: westomoon
» The Truth Project Posted by: EinMD
» They do it because they can. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» whoa man thats deep. Posted by: rafaeltoral
» Max Obuszewski, Richard Koman & civil/human rights... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
» Do you pay AletrNet a proper fee... Posted by: photon's feather
» this is a Posted by: Juven
» It's gone Posted by: willymack
» RE: It's gone Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: It's gone Posted by: uncertain
» "Little Guantanamos" Posted by: QQOblivion
» Well... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Dumb question Posted by: Gonnuts
» Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents? Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» Tragic article,but you forgot to mention how the FBI ties into all this. Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin
» Unfortunately both major political parties have persecuted protesters for years. Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» sex Posted by: sex

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted June 30, 2009.
The Corporate Media State Has Deformed American Culture -- Time to Fight Back

2009-06-30

» The truth of 9/11-Achilles heel of corporate deception Posted by: whole2th
» Yes, Chris Hedges......you TOO are censoring the news Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: The truth of 9/11-Achilles heel of [how you make the connection between the article above & 9/11 Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: The truth of 9/11-Achilles heel of [how you make the connection between the article above & 9/11 Posted by: robdashu
» Yes, and there is a video.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» sorry, he is Dutch, and here is the video Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Yes, and there is a video.......... Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: Dear Blockhead Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Dear Blockhead [Do the math; what were all the energies involved, Posted by: Squarehead
» There's a lot of energy in a whole forest of growing trees...... Posted by: pfgetty
» Lying again, PFConspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Interesting comment, except it is totally wrong. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Interesting comment, except it is totally wrong. Posted by: Squarehead
» If you can't see the connection between control of the population Posted by: paulmagillsmith
» RE: If you can't see the connection [What homework would that be, oh senior one? Posted by: Squarehead
» Is that squarehead...or blockhead? Posted by: fsuthai
» RE: Is that squarehead...or blockhead? Posted by: Squarehead
» Another lie by the coverup team! Posted by: Alan8
» RE: Another lie by the coverup team [In the interior of the building that must have been a very hot Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: The truth of 9/11-Achilles heel of corporate deception Posted by: lively56
» RE: The truth of 9/11-Achilles heel of corporate deception Posted by: EncinoM
» If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: paulmagillsmith
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Spot
» Ever heard of momentum? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: ver heard of momentum? Posted by: Spot
» Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: Spot
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: Spot
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Here, let me put it in terms you can understand. Posted by: EncinoM
» Amazingly they haven't and you lie again Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Ever heard of momentum? [Check out 'comminution' for analysis of matter & force Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Spot
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Spot
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Spot
» Why do "truthers" refuse to talk to REAL structural engineers? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Why do "truthers" refuse to talk to REAL structural engineers? Posted by: Spot
» RE: Why do "truthers" refuse to talk to REAL structural engineers? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Spot
» On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: Spot
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: Spot
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" are the real shills. Posted by: Spot
» Being Obtuse is not debating Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Being Obtuse is not debating Posted by: Spot
» RE: Being Obtuse is not debating Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Being Obtuse is not debating Posted by: Spot
» RE: Being Obtuse is not debating Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: On the contrary, the "truthers" [an example of a P47 Thunderbolt fighter-bomber which was shot d Posted by: Squarehead
» Logistics schmogistics Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Logistics schmogistics Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Logistics schmogistics Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Logistics schmogistics Posted by: Spot
» RE: Logistics schmogistics Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Logistics schmogistics Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: If the deniers have such a case then why not Posted by: Squarehead
» TNRAT, pronouced "tin-rat" Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: TNRAT, pronouced "tin-rat" Posted by: Squarehead
» Al Qeada hijacks airliners; whole2th hijacks AlterNet threads. Coincidence? Posted by: GuitarBill on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: D. Shenary on Jun 30, 2009 2:31 PM
» Reality challenged, aren't you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad Posted by: GatoPreto
» 911 "truthers" and their ever shifting rationals. Portrait of a liar: Dylan Avery. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 911 "truthers" and their ever shifting rationals. Portrait of a liar: Dylan Avery. Posted by: Spot
» Avery doesn't have a "theory"; all he has is an ever shifting rational. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Avery doesn't have a "theory"; all he has is an ever shifting rational. Posted by: Spot
» Dylan Avery is a fraud. Posted by: GuitarBill
» "Loose Change"? 911 deniers debunked. Posted by: GuitarBill
» "911 Mysteries--Demolitions" a "documentary" produced by Sophia Shafquat DEBUNKED. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 911 "truthers" would never post neo-Nazi propaganda, right whole2th? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 911 "truthers" would never post neo-Nazi propaganda, right whole2th? Posted by: Spot
» Let's meet Eric Hufschmid, the Father of 911 "truth". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Let's meet Eric Hufschmid, the Father of 911 "truth". Posted by: Spot
» Straw man Posted by: GuitarBill
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» RE: Let's meet nattering 911 nincompoop and Holocaust Denier, Sofia Shafquat Posted by: Spot
» Whole2th posted a link to "911missinglink.com", which is produced by "prothink.org". Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Whole2th posted a link to "911missinglink.com", which is produced by "prothink.org". Posted by: Spot
» Right, they post Nazi propganda, but it's just a coincidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More video fakery from the 911 "truthers". Posted by: GuitarBill
Al Qeada hijacks airliners; whole2th hijacks AlterNet threads. Coincidence?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM   
Current rating: 1

Troll.

Lair.

Propagandist.

911 TOOTH! 911 TOOTH! 911 TOOTH!

THE TOOTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
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RE: GuitarBill & EncinoM Debunko Squad
Posted by: D. Shenary on Jun 30, 2009 2:31 PM   
Current rating: 4

19 short Saudis with box cutters defeat the entire military might of the United States. Next time they will send 25 Afghanis with finger nail cutters and take out the Golden Gate Bridge! Your gullibility is astonishing!
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{More is available in Volume 3 starting about here.}


By Jeremy Scahill, Rebel Reports. Posted June 30, 2009.
Iraq's 'National Sovereignty Day' is U.S.-Style Hallmark Hype

2009-06-30




Posted by Amanda Terkel at 10:00 AM on July 7, 2009.
Palin Thinks There Is a 'Department of Law' at the White House. (There Isn't.)

2009-07-07








By Carole Bass, E Magazine. Posted July 11, 2009.
Nobody Knows What Nanoparticles Do -- Yet They Are in Your Food, Cosmetics, and Toys

2009-07-11

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» My own experience with nanoparticles--tooth repairs and 9/11 Posted by: whole2th
» RE: My own experience with nanoparticles--tooth repairs and 9/11 Posted by: whole2th
» "...tooth repairs and 9/11" Posted by: GuitarBill
» The good thing: nanotechnology CAN take us to the real criminals of the 9/11 attacks Posted by: pfgetty
» Really? Why do we need nanotechnology, when the "real criminals of the 9/11 attacks" were identified Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: My own experience with nanoparticles--tooth repairs and 9/11 Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Wayne Madsen is your source? BWAHAAHAAAHAAAHAAHAA! Posted by: GuitarBill
» More nonsense, and how to post a link Posted by: bingahaba
» The article's title says "Nanoparticles"; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 denier propaganda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The article's title says "Nanoparticles"; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 denier propaganda. Posted by: whole2th
» I know your eyes are brown because you're full of PFConspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
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» News flash:Sophia Shafquat violated the conditions of her release from the asylum. Posted by: grindermonkey
» Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on AlterNet? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill is part of a group called "Q". new info! Posted by: pfgetty
» PFConspiranoid is part of a group called bat-sh*t crazies for 911 "truth". Posted by: GuitarBill
» "...AlterNet...seems to be COMPLICIT in the coverup"? Really? No kidding? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Just mention 9/11 and asshole "guitarbill" is there to deny... Posted by: fsuthai
» "Q Group"? More conspiranoid disinformation from Rense.com? Posted by: GuitarBill
» More Info/Access to the towers Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Who is Kevin Ryan, and why was he fired by Underwriters Laboratory? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Will the conspiranoids ever stop lying about bonified charlatan, Kevin Ryan? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Conspiranoid lunatics will not talk to REAL strcutural engineers. Why? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Insider Stock Trading on 911 Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Now we get the "insider stock trading" lies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Listen @$$, you're the one making outrageous assertions, you offer proof. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Speculation is not truth and neither is vitriolic assertion. Posted by: grindermonkey
» So where's your proof, RenseMonkey? Posted by: GuitarBill
» "World class sophistry requires no proof." Posted by: grindermonkey
» Sophistry? That would be your specialty, conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yes, I specialize in sophistry recognition and calculus. Posted by: grindermonkey
» You couldn't solve a simple linear equation Posted by: GuitarBill
» None of the your three methods acounts for Bigby's paradox. Posted by: grindermonkey
» A linear equation has no solution it simply describes two or more points on a graph. Posted by: grindermonkey
» A linear equation has no solution? Really? No kidding? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Bigby's paradox. LOL! You really are a idiot, aren't you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» This is brought to you by the "Q" group Posted by: pfgetty
» Wayne Madsen's hearsay isn't proof. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Mike Ruppert's "From The Wilderness"? That's your proof. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 9-11 Blowback: it's the gravity, stupid Posted by: grindermonkey
» Yo conspiranois! Can you offer anything more than your opinion? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hani Hanjour... Stunt Pilot? Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Let's hear what Hani Hanjour's flight instructor has to say. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill IS Q group. Is Alternet? Posted by: pfgetty
» PFConspiranoid is irresponsible, insane and brain-dead. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Let's hear what Hani Hanjour's flight instructor has to say. Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» So what? You've offered not a shred of evidence to prove that he's "Mossad". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your timing is off and your formula for converting meters to gallons is incorrect. Posted by: grindermonkey
» I never converted "meters to gallons"--you idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yes you did we all saw it just before your argument collapsed in 8 seconds. Posted by: grindermonkey
» Nonsense. What the Hell are talking about, lunatic? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill equals the "Q" group Posted by: pfgetty
» Yeah, and PFConspiranoid equals Al Qeada. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your calculations fail to account for the elevated gravitational pull unique to Lower Manhattan. Posted by: grindermonkey
» @$$, you couldn't solve a quadratic equation. 6th grade mathematics is beyond you, conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Cell Phone Calls From Over 8000 Ft? Maybe Not... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» They didn't use cell phones, @$$. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: They didn't use cell phones, @$$. Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: They didn't use cell phones, @$$. umm wrong... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Even David Ray Grifter admitted he was wrong about air phones on Fl 77. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More from the Q group Posted by: pfgetty
» Jeff Rense posted this disinformation to his conspiranoid site yesterday. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The words coming from GuitarBill are words coming from the "Q" group Posted by: pfgetty
» No my comments are mine, and mine only. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Go ahead and post one, I'll give it a go. Posted by: grindermonkey
» Hurry it up Bill, my mom says I have to go to bed. Posted by: grindermonkey
» So, how bedrooms does your trailer have, RenseMonkey? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I live in Area 51, what is a bedroom? Posted by: grindermonkey
» Gee, and I thought you crawled out of a petri dish. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I have a master degree in mathematics, RenseMonkey. Posted by: GuitarBill
» That' not a quadratic equation. But I'm guessing... Posted by: grindermonkey
» You brought it up Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your marriage and family are not the issue here, Bill. Posted by: grindermonkey
» Typical conspiranoid. All talk and no brains. Posted by: GuitarBill
» You have presented math but have failed to explain its application. Posted by: grindermonkey
» Calculate the subsidy that this unpermitted demolition job provided the owner. Posted by: grindermonkey
» More proof that you're an idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
» If a truculent mathematician with arcane formulae is all Q has, then we have triumphed. Posted by: grindermonkey
» But you claimed to be an expert at Calculus. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Learn about the Q group (guitarBill) Posted by: pfgetty
» How many times are going to post this hearsay, PF? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oh, we'll see this a lot............. Posted by: pfgetty
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» Show me evidence it is not true. Posted by: pfgetty
» The proof that he's lying is that he offers no evidence, you idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
» If that were the case, then the official 9/11 story is proven false right there. Posted by: pfgetty
» What evidence? You've never given me one shred of evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» We have given you evidence and proof. Posted by: pfgetty
» Again idiot, Madsen's opinion is not evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Here's who hires GuitarBill Posted by: pfgetty
» That video isn't evidence, it's hearsay. Posted by: GuitarBill
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» You don't have any evidence, and that's why the media ignores you lunatics. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ten reasons to realize that NIST leaders are criminal and should be prosecuted. Posted by: pfgetty
» Tell us, Pinnochio, why was Kevin Ryan fired by Underwriters Laboratory? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Listen to the interview of Kevin Posted by: pfgetty
» Kevin Ryan is a liar, and he was fired for lying. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Proven liar? Prove to me he's a liar. Posted by: pfgetty
» The proof is in the article I hyperlinked--you computer illiterate idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
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» That sounds like a threat, PFConspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» That wasn't a threat from me, stupid. Posted by: pfgetty
» It wasn't a threat? And AlterNet doesn't agree with you, conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Talk about paranoia! Wow! Posted by: pfgetty
» Talk about a liar. WOW! Posted by: GuitarBill
» We KNOW where you work, who you work for!!!!! Posted by: pfgetty
» Yeah, we know who you work for, PFConspiranoid: Al Qeada and the neo-Nazis. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yeah, we know who you work for, PFConspiranoid: Al Qeada and the neo-Nazis. Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» GuitarBill, do you think what the Q group is doing is legal and ethical? Posted by: pfgetty
» The "Q Group" doesn't exist. And if Madsen had REAL evidence, he'd provide it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Anger management, GB, anger management. Posted by: pfgetty
» What was that, you lying neo-Nazi scumbag? I'm not angry, you're just making shit up. Posted by: GuitarBill
» It's just sort of odd how vicious you got when I mentioned the "Q" group Posted by: pfgetty
» It's not "odd" You're a liar, and I despise liars. Posted by: GuitarBill
» NOW THAT IS A THREAT!!!!! Posted by: pfgetty
» Yes, make shit up and prey it sticks. Posted by: GuitarBill
» It's just sort of odd how vicious you got when I mentioned the "Q" group Posted by: pfgetty
» "Q Group"? Your source is "Russia Today". LOL! What next, Pravda? Posted by: GuitarBill
» When asked for evidence by Russia Today, Madsen gives the following non-answer: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo PF! Wayne Madsen showed me documents which prove you're a member of Al Qeada. Posted by: GuitarBill
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» Conspiranoids refuse to speak to REAL structural engineers or read the NIST Report. Why? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Two excellent videos which DEBUNK the 911 deniers. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ex-FBI Agent Coleen Rowley: 'Why I Support a New 9/11 Investigation' Posted by: LeftWright
"...AlterNet...seems to be COMPLICIT in the coverup"? Really? No kidding?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 11, 2009 12:04 PM   
Current rating: 2

That's funny, because you're in violation of AlterNet's "Post A Comment" policy, which I've included below:

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Thus, you're in violation of rules [1] and [4].

Moreover, you have presented not one shred of evidence to support your accusations.

Tell us, conspiranoid, who exempted you from AlterNet's "Post A Comment" policy?

You're nothing more than a scofflaw and troll.

Go play in the freeway, troll.
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Just mention 9/11 and asshole "guitarbill" is there to deny...
Posted by: fsuthai on Jul 11, 2009 9:04 PM   
Current rating: 1

This obnoxious 'shill' must have some kind of "9/11 alert" technology on his NSA computer spyware! Guess we know who ('Q' group) he works for now. Your objections and name calling, 'guitar anus', are too shrill to be just denial because you think differently. And for you to accuse anyone else of being a 'troll' is the height of hypocrisy! Where are your other "truther bashers" today...you know, EncinoM, brunowe, and other 'sickos' of your ilk that, for some queer reason, just don't want any investigation of this pinnacle of U.S. Government betrayal. The more you object, the more convinced I become! 9/11 was an 'Inside Job' and eventually I hope to see you perpetrators hung for it!
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"Q Group"? More conspiranoid disinformation from Rense.com?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 12:20 AM   
Current rating: 4

More bullshit from "rense.com", @$$hole?

Who do you think you're fooling, conspiranoid?

Yeah, just keep spewing your extremist right-wing talking points--you brain-dead right-wing scat muncher.

You go, fucknut, and keep bringing on that bat-shit crazy.

Fuck you. 



Wayne Madsen is your source? BWAHAAHAAAHAAAHAAHAA!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 11, 2009 11:38 AM   
Current rating: 3

"...WMR has learned from an intelligence source."

"...comes word from WMR’s sources that the National Security Agency [blah, blah, blah, spit, rant, slobber, slobber]".

Any more unnamed, anonymous "sources" for us, Wayne?

Isn't it funny that conspiranoids rant and rave against the CIA and NSA, but they take the word of a "former" NSA employee, Wayne Madsen, as Gospel?

Twits.

%^) 


The article's title says "Nanoparticles"; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 denier propaganda.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 11, 2009 11:20 AM   
Current rating: 3

Troll.

You're so full-of-PFConspiranoid that your eyes are brown. 


I know your eyes are brown because you're full of PFConspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:17 PM   
Current rating: 5

Tell us, conspiranoid, what evidence has Wayne Madsen offered to prove that "Q Group" exists?

All he's offered is his opinion.

He's never presented a document which confirms his accusations, nor can he do so.

Why would any rational person accept Madsen's speculation as "truth"?

So, where's your proof that the alleged "Q Group" exists?

You can't offer evidence to substantiate Madsen's accusations?

Then STFU. 


Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on AlterNet?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:33 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I wouldn't mind if you were humorous, but you don't have the wit or intelligence to meet that challenge.

Have you ever considered playing in the freeway? 


PFConspiranoid is part of a group called bat-sh*t crazies for 911 "truth".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:12 PM   
Current rating: 5

"...WMR has learned from an intelligence source."

"...comes word from WMR’s sources that the National Security Agency [blah, blah, blah, spit, rant, slobber, slobber]".

Any more unnamed, anonymous "sources" for us, Wayne?

I thought you knew something about journalism, PF?

Anonymous sources aren't evidence. Anonymous sources are hearsay. Madsen's story isn't worth the ASCII characters and bandwidth you waste to post it.

Try again, conspiranoid. 


"...AlterNet...seems to be COMPLICIT in the coverup"? Really? No kidding?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 11, 2009 12:04 PM   
Current rating: 2

That's funny, because you're in violation of AlterNet's "Post A Comment" policy, which I've included below:

AlterNet will not tolerate:

[1] personal attacks on our writers or readers
[2] excessive profanity
[3] racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
[4] comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Thus, you're in violation of rules [1] and [4].

Moreover, you have presented not one shred of evidence to support your accusations.

Tell us, conspiranoid, who exempted you from AlterNet's "Post A Comment" policy?

You're nothing more than a scofflaw and troll.

Go play in the freeway, troll. 


"Q Group"? More conspiranoid disinformation from Rense.com?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 12:20 AM   
Current rating: 4

More bullshit from "rense.com", @$$hole?

Who do you think you're fooling, conspiranoid?

Yeah, just keep spewing your extremist right-wing talking points--you brain-dead right-wing scat muncher.

You go, fucknut, and keep bringing on that bat-shit crazy.

Fuck you. 


Who is Kevin Ryan, and why was he fired by Underwriters Laboratory?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 12:33 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Ryan was fired by UL for misrepresenting his opinions as those of UL--a big no-no.

In addition, UL stated, in public, that UL did not certify the steel used in the WTC towers.

Furthermore, Kevin Ryan is not an expert in metallurgy or any related field. In fact, Kevin Ryan's position at UL involved analyzing water samples, not certification of steel used in high-rise construction.

Recently, PFConspiranoid described Kevin Ryan as "distinguished".

I suppose that's true as long as one is careful to define "distinguished" as charlatan.
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Will the conspiranoids ever stop lying about bonified charlatan, Kevin Ryan?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 12:55 AM   
Current rating: 5

Kevin R. Ryan Terminated at Underwriters Laboratories.

Area Man Stirs Debate on WTC Collapse: South Bend firm's lab director fired after questioning federal probe.

"...SOUTH BEND — The laboratory director from a South Bend firm has been fired for attempting to cast doubt on the federal investigation into what caused the World Trade Center's twin towers to collapse on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Kevin R. Ryan was terminated Tuesday from his job at Environmental Health Laboratories Inc., a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories Inc., the consumer-product safety testing giant.

"On Nov. 11, Ryan wrote a letter to the National Institute of Standards and Technology — the agency probing the collapse — challenging the common theory that burning jet fuel weakened the steel supports holding up the 110-story skyscrapers.

"Underwriters Laboratories Inc., according to Ryan, "was the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings."

"Ryan wrote that last year, while "requesting information," UL's chief executive officer and fire protection business manager disagreed about key issues surrounding the collapse, "except for one thing — that the samples we certified met all requirements."

"UL vehemently denied last week that it ever certified the materials."

Source: mindfully.org


Any more lies for us, conspiranoid?
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Conspiranoid lunatics will not talk to REAL strcutural engineers. Why?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 12:58 AM   
Current rating: 5

Structure Magazine, a well respected magazine for structural engineers, has come out with a probable collapse hypothesis. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7". The document points out that the failure of column 79 in the lower levels will create the very effect we see in videos.

Single Point of Failure
By Ramon Gilutnz, P.E., S.E. and Willa Ng.

More peer reviewed papers:

“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.

Why did the World Trade Center Collapse
Zdenek P. Bazant, Fellow ASCE, and Yong Zhou.

9/11 demolition theory challenged
An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. By Dr. Keith A. Seffen.

Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Centre: a Simple Analysis
By Dr Keith Seffen, Senior Lecturer in Structural Engineering, University of Cambridge. ASCE Journal of Engineering Mechanics, 2008.

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis
J. Engrg. Mech. Volume 128, Issue 1, pp. 2-6 (January 2002)

Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
By G. Charles Clifton, HERA Structural Engineer, 13 December 2001.

World Trade Center building performance study: data collection
By Therese McAllister and Gene Corley. I.K. BARBER LEARNING CENTRE Science & Engineering reference.

World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects
University of Sydney, Civil Engineering Department.

An eyewitness account:

Subject: A survivor's Story
By Adam Mayblum.

From Wikipedia:

Collapse of the World Trade Center
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Now we get the "insider stock trading" lies.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:03 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

This is another red herring.

Can you offer anything other than speculation?

Where's your proof?

When will you learn, speculation is NOT proof.
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Listen @$$, you're the one making outrageous assertions, you offer proof.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Where's your proof, @$$?

Questions and speculation aren't proof.

So where's your evidence, as opposed to head-up-your-ass speculation?

When will you idiot conspiranoids learn that SPECULATION IS NOT EVIDENCE? 


So where's your proof, RenseMonkey?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 10:29 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Just asking... 


Sophistry? That would be your specialty, conspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

So, where's your math, charlatan?

Do you have anything to offer besides your head-up-your-ass opinion?

You know, after making your acquaintance, I'm convinced that abortion should be mandatory in cases of incest.

%^) 


You couldn't solve a simple linear equation
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:22 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

My calculation's most assuredly do take acceleration into account. In fact, I gave you three different methods of solving for acceleration.

Any more lies, charlatan? 


A linear equation has no solution? Really? No kidding?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:58 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

A linear equation takes the form

y = ax + b

If y, a and b are known solve for x.

Hint: It's called algebra.
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Bigby's paradox. LOL! You really are a idiot, aren't you?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:39 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Bigby's paradox, indeed.

What are you a fuckin' comedian?

@$$. 


Wayne Madsen's hearsay isn't proof.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:15 PM   
Current rating: 3

"According to Madsen..."

Where's Madsen's supporting evidence?

Madsen's word isn't proof. 


Mike Ruppert's "From The Wilderness"? That's your proof.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:38 AM   
Current rating: 1

Mike Ruppert is a lying @$$hat, and so are you.

You mean the same Mike Ruppert who vandalized his own office, and then when HE became the number ONE suspect in the alleged burglary of his office, he leaves the United States for Venezuela?

Sucker.

@$$. 


Yo conspiranois! Can you offer anything more than your opinion?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:07 AM   
Current rating: 3

Let's look at one claim made by the 911 "truth" movement, shall we?

911 "truth" claim [1]: "...Those buildings fell at 'free-fall speed', so this proves a 'controlled demolition'."

Acceleration is the rate of increase of velocity.

a = Dv/Dt

where a = acceleration, Dv = change in velocity, and Dt = change in time.

Change in velocity equals the final velocity minus the initial velocity.

Dv = v(f) - v(i)

The change in time is simply the amount of time that passes while the velocity is changing.

Dt = delta t

Thus, combining the terms

a = v(f) - v(i)/t

If we multiply each side by t, time

at = v(f) - v(i)

Now, add initial velocity, v(i) to both sides of the equation

v(f) = v(i) + at

Since we assume an intial velocity of zero

v = at

Acceleration is measured in meters per second (m/s) or meters per second squared (m/s^2).

The WTC towers were 417 meters tall.

Hence, the following equation, which assumes constant acceleration and zero initial velocity.

d = 1/2at^2

From this we can solve for t, time

t = (2d/a)^1/2

Now, let's solve for a, acceleration

a = (2d - 2v(i)t) / t^2

Thus, acceleration is 9.8 m/s^2.

Recall that the height of the WTC was 417 meters, so now we'll solve for t, time.

t = (834m/9.8m/s^2)^1/2 = 9.23 s

Thus, any object falling from the top of the WTC at free-fall speed would reach the ground in 9.23 seconds.

Now, let's calculate v, velocity?

If

v = at

then we can determine velocity with the following equation:

v = (9.8 m/s^2 x 9.23 s) = 90.4 m/s

Video evidence proves that the South Tower fell in 14.75 seconds.

The North Tower fell in 22.2 seconds.

[1] For the South Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 14.75 = (1333.4 m)/2 = 666.7 meters

(666.7 m) / 417 m = 1.60

Hence, if the South Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 1.60 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

[2] For the North Tower we find:

90.4 m/s x 22.2 s = (2006.88 m)/2 = 1003.44 meters

(1003.44 m) / 417 m = 2.41

Hence, if the North Tower fell at "free-fall speed" it would have fallen about 2.41 times as far as it actually did fall in that time.

Thus, we can prove this by using free-fall speed (9.23 s) and the height of the towers (417 m), which should give us an answer of 1.

(90.4 m/s x 9.23 s) = (834 m)/2 = 417

(417 m) / 417 m = 1

So, the proof works.

So, what was that about free-fall speed?

The 911 "truth" movement claims that the WTC towers "fell at free-fall speed", which, according to them, "proves controlled demolition."

Well, I just proved with elementary physics that those buildings did not fall at "free-fall speed".

Thus, the conspiranoid argument that "those buildings met no resistance, so only a controlled demolition explains why the towers fell at free-fall speed", is DESTROYED.

The towers did meet resistance and they did not fall at "free-fall speeds", no matter vociferously the conspranoids lie to the contrary. 



Let's hear what Hani Hanjour's flight instructor has to say.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 9:50 AM   
Current rating: 1

If Hani Hanjour was such a terrible pilot, you lying 911 denier, why did he rent planes?

"...On his first certification flight a Cessna 172 was used. This is a single engine aircraft. Mr. Shalev sat next to.Hanjour and had him fly north from the Gaithersburg airport away from Washington, D.C. Mr. Shalev noticed that Hanjour used a landmark or terrain recognition system for navigation and did not use the ''VOR'' or Very High Frequency (VHF) Omni Directional Rangefinder instruments. Mr. Shalev stated that he considered this unusual because basic ainnanship requires knowledge of the operation of the VOR. Mr. Shalev selected Clearview airport in northern Maryland as their designation. The airport is located near Westminster, Maryland. Mr. Shalev said that the runway is small at Clearview and difficult to land. Hanjour landed at the airport without any difficulty. Mr. Shalev stated that based on his observations, Hanjour was a "good" pilot. Mr. Shalev thought that Hanjour may have received training from a military pilot because of his use of terrain recognition for navigation. Hanjour told Mr. Shalev that he (Hanjour) had most recently trained in Florida as a pilot.

"After the certification flight, Mr. Shalev approved Hanjour for the rental of the Cessna 172 from Congressional Air Charters. Mr. Shalev said that Hanjour had his own flight bag, headset and aviator's chart for the Washington, D.C. area airspace. On 08/26/2001, Hanjour returned to Congressional Air Charters and rented an aircraft. Hanjour came in and spoke briefly with Mr. Shalev. The conversation related to the air corridor between Reagan National Airport and Dulles International Airport. The airspace is restricted because of heavy commercial airline traffic. Mr. Shalev said that the Cessna 172 that Hanjour would be flying is not pressurized and that would restrict the altitude. Generally, the air controllers allow small aircraft to fly to an altitude of 5000 feet."

Source: media.nara.gov


Now, tell us that Mr. Shalev is Mossad, conspiranoid.

Any more lies for us, conspiranoid?


%^) 



PFConspiranoid is irresponsible, insane and brain-dead.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:38 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Still trying to hold up Wayne Madsen's opinion as fact, flyboy?

It's a good thing you have that GED.

So, do you have any evidence to substantiate Madsen's assertions (heavy emphasis on ass)?

No?

Then STFU. 


So what? You've offered not a shred of evidence to prove that he's "Mossad".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 9:56 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

But, then again, I must remember that to a conspiranoid if evidence leads in one direction it's a government conspiracy, and if the evidence leads in the opposite direction it's a government conspiracy.

If nothing else, you loonies are predictable. 


I never converted "meters to gallons"--you idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 10:28 AM   
Current rating: 3

Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your dishonesty and over-the-top stupidity, conspiranoid?

Take a two-year course in Physics For Scientist And Engineers and get back to us, charlatan.
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Yes you did we all saw it just before your argument collapsed in 8 seconds.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM   
Current rating: 3

Check the tapes Bill. My stupidity, dishonesty, and charlatanry is a know fact we're talking about yours.
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Nonsense. What the Hell are talking about, lunatic?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:15 AM   
Current rating: 1

What tapes?

Look up the term kinematics, @$$, and get back to us when you grasp elementary physics. 


Yeah, and PFConspiranoid equals Al Qeada.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:25 PM   
Current rating: 1

Hijacked any airliners lately, flyboy?

Or are you sticking to thread hijacking?

Care to substantiate your assertions (heavy emphasis on ass), @$$? 


@$$, you couldn't solve a quadratic equation. 6th grade mathematics is beyond you, conspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 11:17 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your ignorance, stupidity and arrogance, conspiranoid?

By all means, go play in the freeway, scat muncher.

%^) 


They didn't use cell phones, @$$.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 2:18 PM   
Current rating: 3

Have you ever been on an airliner?

Probably not.

Well, here's some news for you, genius.

All airliners have phones built into the back of each passengers seat.

That's how the victims managed to call their loved ones--not cell phones.

Any more lies and neo-Nazi/Al Qeada disinformation for us, conspiranoid/ 


Jeff Rense posted this disinformation to his conspiranoid site yesterday.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:18 PM   
Current rating: 1

Who do you think you're fooling?

"According to Madsen..."

"...Madsen insists..."

This is hearsay. And notice that Madsen offers nothing to substantiate his assertions (heavy emphasis on ass).

Madsen's speculation is not evidence. 



No my comments are mine, and mine only.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 12:05 AM   
Current rating: 5

You forget, conspiranoid, that I used to believe that 911 "truth" had merit.

Don't believe me, ask EncinoM.

However, while debating with EncinoM about Micheal Chertoff and his alleged relationship to a Popular Mechanics editor, I discovered some ugly facts about 911 "truth".

You see, the source of the Chertoff disinformation is none other than neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier and right wing extremist Christopher Bollyn.

My research into Bollyn led me to discover even more neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists inside the 911 "truth" movement. For example, Eric Hufschmid, and Eric Hufschmidt led me to Sophia Shafquat, who in turn led me to Kevin Barrett, and Barret led me to Uncle Fetzer, and Uncle Fetzer led me to...

Get the picture?

In other words, my research opened Pandora's Box, and exposed 911 "truth" for the pack of neo-Nazi lies it's always been.

You will not prevail, PFConspiranoid

Moreover, you will not lie to others, as your ilk lied to me. 


So, how bedrooms does your trailer have, RenseMonkey?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:35 PM   
Current rating: 1

Just asking... 


I have a master degree in mathematics, RenseMonkey.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:34 PM   
Current rating: 3

Use the chain rule to find the second derivative of the inverse function: If y = f(x), what is

d^2f-1/dy^2 = d/dy(1/df/dx)

as a function of x. 


You brought it up
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 6:55 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

No, I'm married and have three children.

And any freshman in college with a year of calculus under his or her belt should have no problem answering that question.
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Your marriage and family are not the issue here, Bill.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 13, 2009 4:29 AM   
Current rating: 1

The real issue is your tolerance for the inquiring mind.
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Typical conspiranoid. All talk and no brains.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM   
Current rating: 5

Gee Mr. Math, didn't you claim to know your stuff?

And if that's the case, why can't you solve a simple freshman-level question?

Next time, think before you commit your finger's to the keyboard, because you know not who you're fuckin' with.

Got it?
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You have presented math but have failed to explain its application.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 13, 2009 4:16 AM   
Current rating: 1

So give it up.
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Calculate the subsidy that this unpermitted demolition job provided the owner.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 13, 2009 4:20 AM   
Current rating: 1

Now that's math we can believe in.
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More proof that you're an idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 3:43 PM   
Current rating: 5

Silverstein was awarded $4 billion by the courts.

However, the cost of re-building will cost over $8 billion.

It looks like Silverstein is $4 billion in the hole.

So, tell us again how Silverstein "profited" from 911.

Twit.
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If a truculent mathematician with arcane formulae is all Q has, then we have triumphed.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 AM   
Current rating: 1

The school bus is waiting.
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But you claimed to be an expert at Calculus.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 9:59 AM   
Current rating: 5

But as I predicted, that's a lie.

You can't do freshman-level mathematics.

And you're an "expert"?

I stand by my statement: You're a charlatan. 


Oh, we'll see this a lot.............
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:27 PM   
Current rating: 1

as much as we see your stuff over and over and over and over again.

I think we are finally getting close to what has been going on.
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Show me evidence it is not true.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:36 PM   
Current rating: 1

With all of the sleazy crap and lies and black ops coming out that Cheyney was involved with, I think the burden is on you guys to prove you are not involved in a huge crackdown of information about 9/11.

Personally, I think it is this "Q" group that puts pressure on venues like Alternet. We'll find out one day, justice will prevail, and people like you, if we can get enough information, will wish you had never spent your days as you have.
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The proof that he's lying is that he offers no evidence, you idiot.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:43 PM   
Current rating: 5

Madsen didn't offer ANY evidence.

He gave you his opinion, and not ONE shred of evidence to support his allegations.

Thus, Madsen's claims are nothing more than hearsay.

Isn't it funny that you don't trust the CIA or the NSA, but if a "former" NSA employee (Madsen) tells you what you want to hear, then it's "the truth".

You're a twit, not to mention an idiot.
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If that were the case, then the official 9/11 story is proven false right there.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:47 PM   
Current rating: 1

There is so little evidence that the official story is true, and the evidence that is presented is very suspicious and normally would not be considered at all in any criminal case.

But all of a sudden you want evidence.
When we give you evidence of lying by the government, you ignore it.

Now you want evidence about the Q group.
Let's wait and see.
If there IS evidence, I think it is clear that you will be determined to be working against the people of the US, and against truth.
One day............
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What evidence? You've never given me one shred of evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:53 PM   
Current rating: 5

All you ever give is your head-up-your-ass opinion.

All Madsen has given is his opinion.

How does deceptive video editing, straw man arguments, quote mining and outright lies prove anything?
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We have given you evidence and proof.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 2:01 PM   
Current rating: 1

But you can deny evidence and proof, just like Creationists do. It doesn't have to be a rational denial. You just deny it.
Because that is your job. You are "Q".


Again idiot, Madsen's opinion is not evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 3:26 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I want an official document, not Madsen's opinion.

Until Madsen produces an official document, you have nothing.

So, where's your proof? 


Here's who hires GuitarBill
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:26 PM   
Current rating: 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_xE8d0XLUU
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That video isn't evidence, it's hearsay.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:33 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Tell us, asshole, where does Madsen offer anything more than his opinion?

Where's his evidence?

When will you learn, Pinocchio, that speculation is not evidence?
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You don't have any evidence, and that's why the media ignores you lunatics.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:56 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

All you have are deceptive video editing, straw man arguments, quote mining and outright lies--and the media knows it.

You can't even prove the existence of "Q Group".

So, where's your evidence--and Wayne Madsen's opinion is NOT evidence?
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Ten reasons to realize that NIST leaders are criminal and should be prosecuted.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:33 PM   
Current rating: 1

http://www.journalof911studies.com
/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

Please cut and paste, but first put both lines together. This system here does not allow any "words" that are too long. 


Here's who hires GuitarBill
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:26 PM   
Current rating: 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_xE8d0XLUU
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That video isn't evidence, it's hearsay.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:33 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Tell us, asshole, where does Madsen offer anything more than his opinion?

Where's his evidence?

When will you learn, Pinocchio, that speculation is not evidence?
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You don't have any evidence, and that's why the media ignores you lunatics.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:56 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

All you have are deceptive video editing, straw man arguments, quote mining and outright lies--and the media knows it.

You can't even prove the existence of "Q Group".

So, where's your evidence--and Wayne Madsen's opinion is NOT evidence? 


Kevin Ryan is a liar, and he was fired for lying.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:58 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Why would I believe anything a proven liar has to say?

Perhaps you're that stupid, but I'm not. 

This comment has been removed from the site due to non-compliance with AlterNet's community policies.
That sounds like a threat, PFConspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 7:59 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Want to threaten me to my face, flyboy?
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That wasn't a threat from me, stupid.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 5:24 AM   
Current rating: 1

I see you ran to your associates at Alternet right away.
But it was obvious that I was talking about the wheels of justice. They just keep rolling along.
It may take a long time, but I am sure that eventually the crimes of 9/11, including the censoring of news and all of the thousands who work to contain the truth, will be found out and will be prosecuted.
You are really doing something terrible, GuitarBill. I feel you are part of the "Q" group, and if not that, some other organization that works illegally to restrict American's access to the facts of 9/11.
9/11 has brought to the world the deaths and maimings and loss of homes to MILLIONS. You, in your own way, as part of the coverup, are part of the crime machine.
Criminals pay, in some way.
We don't know how things will work out.
But I am confident that people who have brought such misery to the world, and help it all to keep going, will have their day in court and suffer the consequences of their actions.
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It wasn't a threat? And AlterNet doesn't agree with you, conspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 10:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

It was a threat.

You threatened to put on a list of alleged "911 criminals", and have me marked for prosecution and execution.

You're a nut, and if I had any power here at AlterNet, I'd ban you and report you to the FBI.
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Talk about paranoia! Wow!
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 11:56 AM   
Current rating: 1

How can I put you on any list. That is what our law enforcement agencies do. But I think you are putting yourself on a list, if we ever get the reality of 9/11 out and those who cover it up and work to censor the truth.
I don't mark you for prosecution and execution. YOU do that. YOU have control of your actions. If they are criminal, and treasonous, then YOU are to blame, not me.
And the proper authorities will do with you what needs to be done.
That is how it is supposed to work in the US. We HAVE gotten away from the rule of law lately. I'd like to see it restored, and those who have covered up truth, worked to maintain a criminality in our government, should see justice done to them.

Paranoia much??
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Talk about a liar. WOW!
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 3:12 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

I know what you wrote, and you threatened me not once, but twice.

It's a damned good thing for you that you can hide behind that keyboard--you lying skinhead punk.

Why don't you show your face like a real man, instead of hiding behind your keyboard like a cowardly little wastrel?

No nads?

90 pound weakling like your hero, Eric Hufschmid (that would be my guess)?

Do you shave by drinkin' a glass of milk and letting your cat lick the "whiskers" off?

Ponce. 


Yeah, we know who you work for, PFConspiranoid: Al Qeada and the neo-Nazis.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 12, 2009 8:01 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Hijacked any airliners lately, flyboy.

Or are you sticking to hijacking AlterNet threads? 



Anger management, GB, anger management.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 12:07 PM   
Current rating: 3

It seems so odd that this would tic you off so badly.
That's when I know we are getting close.
Is your group called "P" or "O" or something like that?
It is obvious the government has a concerted effort to keep the truth of 9/11 from the people. The msm avoid it like the plague, and alternative media does also, which is REALLY suspicious.
And then, here, we put on comments and you trolls come on and we know what you are doing. You put on so many comments that it dissuades others from reading all of the comments and have a normal back and forth discussion.
It is a good technique, GB, but I doubt it was your idea. I think it was the idea of "Q" or "P" or some other group.
I think you have done a good job. It is treason, in my opinion, but you've done it well. Is there anybody, like your boss or something, that I should send an "attaboy" to? I could fill out a recommendation for promotion for you if you like.
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What was that, you lying neo-Nazi scumbag? I'm not angry, you're just making shit up.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 3:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

and hoping that it sticks.

Where's your proof that "Q Group" exists?

No proof is necessary, right PF.

All you need is your head-up-your-ass opinion. Right?
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It's just sort of odd how vicious you got when I mentioned the "Q" group
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 5:38 AM   
Current rating: 1

I sure whipped up some anger in you, GB, when I brought up the "Q" group.
You got really defensive.
I think we have come a bit closer to finding out what is happening in the alternative press.
Your anger and defensiveness told me quite a bit.
Are you going to ask this comment to be removed, also?
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It's not "odd" You're a liar, and I despise liars.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 10:12 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Trying to offer Madsen's opinion as fact?

Idiot.

You might be that stupid, but don't count on the rest of to be as brain-dead as you've proven to be over-an-over again.

Your comments were removed because you threatened me, twice.

Threaten me again--you no account neo-Nazi sack-of-sh*t--and you're going to have a serious problem--me--you lying SOB.
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NOW THAT IS A THREAT!!!!!
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 12:12 PM   
Current rating: 1

That is a REAL threat. Mine were not threats, just predictions of what may happen to you via our system of justice if we ever finally get the American people to know the truth of 9/11 and how people like you were employed in the coverup.

But YOU just really threatened me.

Yeah, like big deal.

In fact, I'd love for you to contact me somehow because I'd like to know who you are, what makes you tick, what group you are part of, etc.
Really I don't care, but I WOULD like to know who sends you, who you work for/with.

So threaten me all you want, I am not a scaredy cat. I also am not out to get anybody.
I only want to spread the truth.
And I can see, especially by your anger, that you are on the other side of truth, and becoming irrational as we show you to be the enemy of truth.
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Yes, make shit up and prey it sticks.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 13, 2009 3:07 PM   
Current rating: 1

Flyboy scribbles, "...I only want to spread the truth."

How does one arrive at the "truth" by resorting to straw man arguments, deceptive video editing, quote mining and outright lies?

Let me guess, you have the same operative definition of "truth" as Adolph Hitler and Osama bin Laden: The Big Lie.

No, it's you and your lying ilk who are the enemies of truth.
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It's just sort of odd how vicious you got when I mentioned the "Q" group
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 13, 2009 5:38 AM   
Current rating: 1

I sure whipped up some anger in you, GB, when I brought up the "Q" group.
You got really defensive.
I think we have come a bit closer to finding out what is happening in the alternative press.
Your anger and defensiveness told me quite a bit.
Are you going to ask this comment to be removed, also? 

By Byard Duncan, AlterNet. Posted July 14, 2009.
Press Attorney General Eric Holder to Bring Torture Architects to Justice

2009-07-14

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» Holder Won't Do Jack Posted by: RevolutionNet
» Ex-FBI Agent: 'Why I Support a New 9/11 Investigation' Posted by: LeftWright
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» 911 deniers refuse to speak to REAL structural engineers. Why? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Do you suffer from acute conspiranoia? GuitarBill has the cure. 911 deniers DEBUNKED. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 9 out of 14 comments are by GuitarBill. A new record. He must get paid by the comment. Posted by: pfgetty
» That's the best you can do, flyboy? Posted by: GuitarBill
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
» RE: Waste of time. As long as 9/11 stands, Cheyney mostly just kept us safe. Posted by: Pop
» RE: Waste of time. As long as 9/11 stands, Cheyney mostly just kept us safe. Posted by:
» The article's title says torture; thus I can hijack the thread with off-topic 911 denier propaganda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill speaks, therefore "Q" speaks Posted by: pfgetty
» "Q Group"? Your source is "Russia Today". LOL! What next, Pravda? Posted by: GuitarBill
» When asked for evidence by Russia Today, Madsen gives the following non-answer: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well PF, Wayne Madsen showed me documents which prove you're a member of Al Qeada. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who is Kevin Ryan and why was he fired from UL. Posted by: GuitarBill
» "Q" has probably 1000 people working to suppress the truth. GuitarBill is one. Posted by: pfgetty
» You can't prove that "Q Group" exists. But don't let that stop you from lying. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Poor conspiranoid... Posted by: GuitarBill
» %9.5 Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Zero relationship. Different issue. Strawman argument. n/m Posted by: Paul_C
» You Can't Cheat At Cards...or monopoly;or Rob Banks or People Posted by: Razional Thinker
» GoldmanSachs gets a woody Posted by: weathered
» What's Accountability? Posted by: joels@nccray
» You clearly have no clue of what the real issues are, so yes "accountability" would elude you. n/m Posted by: Paul_C
» Holding my breath........ Posted by: tvaspen
» LIEberman laughs in your face Posted by: weathered
The article's title says torture; thus I can hijack the thread with off-topic 911 denier propaganda.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 14, 2009 9:36 AM   
Current rating: 5

Troll.

Scumbag.

Scofflaw.

Liar.

Prevaricator.

Dirtbag.

Propagandist.

Mind molester.

Filth.

Degenerate.

Fruit.

Pig.

Narcissist.

Scat muncher. 


You can't prove that "Q Group" exists. But don't let that stop you from lying.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 AM   
Current rating: 3

Any evidence? Or is Madsen's opinion the only thing you have?

Well, if nothing else, you've proven, once again, that you're an intellectual midget, PFConspiranoid.
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Poor conspiranoid...
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM   
Current rating: 5

...his lying Al Qeada propaganda was deleted again.

One thing is for sure, PFConspiranoid, you make me believe in reincarnation.

Why?

Nobody can be as stupid as you in one lifetime. 

By Marie Cocco, Washington Monthly. Posted July 17, 2009.
Cheney's CIA Secrets: We Must Fight to Get the Truth

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» Hold it right there, Joshua. Why no mention of 911 tooth? %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Exactly. Thanks GuitarBill. Joshua is not allowed to make the 9/11 connection. Posted by: pfgetty
» Yo PF! Why don't you tell us about the conspiranoid conspiracy to hijack AlterNet articles? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well now, it seems we are on the same page: we both want a new investigation, right? Posted by: pfgetty
» "...on the same page"? Not on your life, conspiranoid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» And the people of NY want the same thing........a new investigation: Posted by: pfgetty
» Here, Kevin Ryan has made many, many connections between our leadership and the WTC collapse: Posted by: pfgetty
» Cindy Sheehan, once a darling of Joshua Holland, is now censored by Joshua and Alternet. Posted by: pfgetty
» Here is what Cindy, darling of Alternet, has to say about 9/11: Posted by: pfgetty
» Here are some of the people Alternet would normally care about. Now, though this is censored Posted by: pfgetty
» Alternet doesn't care, but this dad does. Joshua says he's just a nut. Posted by: pfgetty
» Nice straw man argument, PFGoober. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 9/11 truth even gets to UK Parliament. But not to Alternet. Joshua doesn't like 9/11 truth. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Hold it right there, Joshua. Why no mention of 911 tooth? %^) Posted by: yacht09
» I'm with you brother. How do we get people like Joshua to join us? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Good Morning GB - No Rest For Your Propaganda Campaign Posted by: D. Shenary
» I hope you are right.........I hope GB will lose the big battle. Posted by: pfgetty
» Yo PF! You live on the East Coast, don't you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Funny you should say that.......... Posted by: pfgetty
» Funny that you would lie about that Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Funny that you would lie about that, GuitarBill Posted by: whole2th
» Top of the morning to you. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill - Your Right About One Thing! Posted by: D. Shenary
» "Former" NSA makes about as much sense as "ex-Mafia". Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill - why don't you go talk to a structural engineer TOMORROW, in FREMONT... Posted by: LeftWright
» Kamal Obeid has a masters degree in SE. True. Posted by: GuitarBill
» What's the matter, GB, afraid of a FREE LUNCH or afraid you are wrong? Posted by: LeftWright
» Those are big words coming from a drug addled hippie who lives in Marin County Posted by: GuitarBill
» giTarspillage Posted by: weathered
» I don't answer for EncinoM. He's a big boy, and he can defend himself. Posted by: GuitarBill
» What did Dr. Astaneh-Asl find at the WTC site? Let's check the record, shall we? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: What did Dr. Astaneh-Asl find at the WTC site? Let's check the record, shall we? Posted by: weathered
» RE: GuitarBill - Are You Beginning to See A Pattern Here? Posted by: D. Shenary
» Do I see a pattern. Yes, you're a liar. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Quote mining again, conspiranoid? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're the one who provides NO LINKS and cites NO SOURCES, GB, Posted by: LeftWright
» Respond to my post below, coward. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Quote mining again, Conspiranoid? You left out 3/4 of the last paragraph Posted by: GuitarBill
» Busted quote mining again, "Left"Wrong. Posted by: GuitarBill
» So the person who gave me a '1' must think quote mining is intellectually honest. Posted by: GuitarBill
» That right, "Left"Wrong. Run and hide after I busted you quote mining again. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I was born in the year of the rat, I am a tax protester, but you are the prince of prevarication Posted by: LeftWright
» If you're so honest, why did you omit 3/4 of the last paragraph of the article you cite as evidence? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Really, Billy, now you're throwing tantrums? Perhaps you need to repeat 5th grade Posted by: LeftWright
» Here's the proof that you're a quote mining, intellectually dishonest chump. Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you cut off the first part of the sentence, GB, could you be any more transparently disingenuous Posted by: LeftWright
» I didn't omit anything. And I gave you a link to the article you cite as "evidence". Posted by: GuitarBill
» " Yet Astaneh-Asl will later put forward the “tentative” conclusion," (case closed, hypocrite) Posted by: LeftWright
» Show me where he's ever changed his "tentative" conclusion. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Here's the entire article, not just the part you want people to see. (Part I) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Let's take a critical look at the article and see what Dr. Astaneh-Asl says: Posted by: LeftWright
» Here's the entire article, not just the part you want people to see. (Part II) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Let's take a critical look at the rest of the article and see what Dr. Astaneh-Asl says: Posted by: LeftWright
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» What do REAL Structural Engineers have to say about 911. (Peer Reviewed Papers, not conspiranoid BS) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nothing there to explain nanothermite in the dust samples. Posted by: pfgetty
» So, which is it PF. Thermite, Thermate or nanthermite? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: So, which is it PF. Thermite, Thermate or nanthermite? Posted by: whole2th
» RE: Hold it right there, Joshua. Why no mention of 911 tooth? %^) Posted by: anneofnj
» So sad about GuitarBill Posted by: whole2th
» Oh yes! How dare Bush go after A.Qaeda! this must be investigated! Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» I suggest you investigate the case of CIA asset Ali Mohamed, who trained "al Qaeda" Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Oh yes! How dare Bush go after A.Qaeda! this must be investigated! Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: Oh yes! How dare Bush go after A.Qaeda! this must be investigated! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Oh yes! How dare Bush go after A.Qaeda! this must be investigated! Posted by: orwellturns
» Cheney worried? I seriously doubt it ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Any goverrnment that will not investigate 9/11 responsibly would NEVER imprison Cheyney. Posted by: pfgetty
» um Posted by: godsbreath64
» Too late? Posted by: wardropper
» RE: Too late? Posted by: orwellturns
» Obama's secrets are what should really scare people. Posted by: joels@nccray
» RE: Obama's secrets are what should really scare people. Posted by: NamVeT
» RE: Obama's secrets are what should really scare people. Posted by: orwellturns
» Government Healthcare is so underrated! Posted by: xvictor
» Waterboard Silverstein & Chenney Posted by: weathered
» "...by deceit dithered wages war". Posted by: GuitarBill
» You inflamed lymphnode Posted by: weathered
» Better to be an inflamed lymphnode than an inflamed anus. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why do we want to know? Is it to bash Bush, or do you really think this will benefit us? Posted by: anneofnj
» Our steady pressure on Holder and Obama will put Cheney in jail. Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» Refresh my memory..... Posted by: rickiey
» ED PROBLEM Posted by: itouch backup
» Oh, wait. Billy and the rules of evidence have narrowed the names of their bundle of joy !!! Posted by: godsbreath64

By Ray McGovern, Consortium News. Posted July 18, 2009.
Could Dick Cheney Go to Prison?

2009-07-18

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» Cool and the Tang Posted by: godsbreath64
» RE: Never happen Posted by: jodypenn
» RE: Never happen/We can dream. Dreams can come true. Posted by: orwellturns
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» FISA Posted by: EinMD
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» RE: Simple// Didn't Spiro Agnew do time? He went down Posted by: RR#1
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» Gee, Ed ... Posted by: TarryFaster
» Cheney & Paul Wellstone Posted by: TarryFaster
» Gee Don! Posted by: GerryAttric
» RE: Awwwww, get over it Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Hahahaha, that was great Lauren........ I am still laughing. Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Gee Don! Posted by: TarryFaster
» RE: Thank you Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Well, now that we know you posted this article.... I say "GREAT JOB"... Posted by: Prophit
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» Unlikely plane crashes have "plagued" progressive leaders at critical moments Posted by: Paul_C
» RE: Unlikely plane crashes have "plagued" progressive leaders at critical moments Posted by: MT512
» There was a death of a republican congressman who was chair of finance committee.... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Unlikely plane crashes have "plagued" progressive leaders at critical moments Posted by: kogwonton
» Could you post this on the internet as a PDF so that we could all read it? Posted by: RR#1
» My nightmare Posted by: johnwinthrop
» If they were both in prison together I do not think...... Posted by: GerryAttric
» Watch where you sit, Bernie. Posted by: johnwinthrop
» Didn't Obama release Madoff to perform some task for him in the financial arena??? Posted by: Prophit
» He won't go to prison. This stuff just doesn't get traction. His crimes of 9/11 would. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: He won't go to prison. This stuff just doesn't get traction. His crimes of 9/11 would. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» It will go down in history as the most preposterous things ever: Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: It will go down in history as the most preposterous things ever: Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE:As you have seen, the torture issue has died away. Posted by: surfreality
» RE: all we need now is the political will Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» If you live long enough, and watch this stuff......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: If you live long enough, and watch this stuff......... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» What about if optimism......... Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: What about if optimism......... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Yo PFGoober! Tell us about the conspiranoids conspiracy to hijack AlterNet with 911 propaganda Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: "We are being snaked." Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» This is all coming from "Q" (GB) Posted by: pfgetty
» PF, I'm into computer security. Can I post articles about computer security at 911blogger.com? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I suggest you use your alleged computer expertise to analyse what Convar found and submit a blog Posted by: LeftWright
» Why should anyone believe you? You're a liar who quote mines the writing of the NIST SEs. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo "Left"Rodent. You can't do freshman-level calculus. And here's the proof: Posted by: GuitarBill
» You mean like you do here, on Alternet? Posted by: pfgetty
» Show me where I've ever hijacked a thread. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Piss off GuitarbUll; you got nothing but bilge water. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» sasquuatch55-you ignorant [inset your favorite expletive here]. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE:And your a thick skulled knuckledragger! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» He maybe bilge water, but he is also the resident neocon mossad disinfo agent for .... Posted by: Prophit
» Yo PF! Stop trying to change the subject and answer my question: Posted by: GuitarBill
» Again PFGetty check your sources... Posted by: EncinoM
» Nice post, EncinoM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hahahaha, what you two or should I say GB and his alter ego Encino,, don't realize is.... Posted by: Prophit
» What's PFGoober's REAL goal: Mainstreaming his conspiranoia. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Race specific weapons..............and Cheney Posted by: pfgetty
» I said that above and agree with you wholeheartedly, ITS A DEATH PENALTY OFFENSE TO MASS MURDER.... Posted by: Prophit
» CHENEY SPILLED THE BEANS Posted by: 3party
» RE: CHENEY SPILLED THE BEANS Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Cheney and 9/11 Posted by: Perry Logan
» RE: Cheney and 9/11 Posted by: lisafrequency
» Yes, while Perry wants to insult truthers, he avoids the big question: Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Yes, while Perry wants to insult truthers, he avoids the big question: Posted by: surfreality
» IF you don't agree with PFGoober, you're "Q Group", AIPAC, or FBI, etc. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: they have a BIG agenda Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» YO PFGoober, avoid this. Why are you conspiring to hikack AlterNet articles? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: Cheney was in a panic after 9/11--a fact which makes no sense in"inside job" theory Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Rediculous Posted by: hopenosis
» RE: Cheney and 9/11 Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Cheney and 9/11 Posted by: Mojo_09
» RE: Cheney and 9/11: Who the hell are you trying to convince? Yourself? Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Bushy didn't seem too traumatized as he continued to read the goat story. Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Great post, Perry. But you must always remember that Posted by: GuitarBill
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» What Panic? Posted by: Javan
» He became paranoid because they knew they couldn't cover all the bases on a cover up for 9-11..... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Cheney and 9/11 Posted by: motamanx6
» "Could Prick Cheney go to prison???" Posted by: ~Fiona~
» RE: Cheney will go to prison Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Lauren Sweetie, Cheney can't die of a heart attack... Posted by: ~Fiona~
» Or its one of those harvested organs from Iraq & Palestine .... Posted by: Prophit
» Progressive Bull Fighting Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» RE: Stay distracted Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» They're not real progressives sir. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They are not dancing phonies, they are Unicorns! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Jammin' With the Dickster Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Who gave Dick Cheney the authority to order the CIA to do anything Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Jammin' With the Dickster Posted by: orwellturns
» ONLY CHENEY??? Posted by: AZLBRAX07
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» RE: Or all of the above? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Your the only one with loyalist blinders Posted by: aahpat
» Is it torture? Posted by: Kyubi
» RE: Is it torture? Posted by: MT512
» With anesthesia, NO! Posted by: Prophit
» In theory, yes. In reality, NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! Posted by: maxpayne
» Dennis Kucinich is a Democrat Posted by: Beck
» But the Democrats don't treat him as one dumb fuck ! Posted by: maxpayne
» So Beck, how do you like it that Obama is protecting Cheney's motherfucking ASS? Posted by: maxpayne
» Beck and her clone trolls from the Obama PR team Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: In theory, yes. In reality, NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: In theory, yes. In reality, NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! Posted by: zeek2
» Your intentions for 2012 are great, but rigged primaries are now the order of the day... Posted by: Prophit
» No hope for America Posted by: dongarb
» We must put a stop to it now so it won't keep getting worse. This is not what Posted by: avidAmerican
» The only way that is going to happen is take out the 300 or so of them doing t his.... Posted by: Prophit
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» You sir are correct. Posted by: maxpayne
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» Bush et al were the "set up" team and Obama et al is the "hammer" and ... Posted by: Prophit
» Good article Ray Posted by: ron heringhauser
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» RE: The power-elite control the MSM Posted by: ron heringhauser
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» RE: Sorry Guess I;m just not drinking enough Flouride in my water Posted by: ron heringhauser
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» Why Not Prosecute Cheney? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
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PF, I'm into computer security. Can I post articles about computer security at 911blogger.com?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 11:10 AM   
Current rating: 3

Tell us, PFGoober, how would you feel if I made an account at 911blogger.com and SPAMMED the board with articles on computer security (or any other subject, for that matter)?
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I suggest you use your alleged computer expertise to analyse what Convar found and submit a blog
Posted by: LeftWright on Jul 20, 2009 11:41 AM   
Current rating: 3

about that to 911blogger.

From historycommons.org:

September 11, 2001: More Than $100 Million Rushed from WTC

Data recovery experts later looking at 32 hard drives salvaged from the 9/11 attacks discover a surge in credit card transactions from the World Trade Center in the hours before and during the attacks. Unusually large sums of money are rushed through computers even as the disaster unfolds. Investigators later say: “There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million. They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the mainframes were destroyed.” The data recovery effort is led by the German company Convar. Convar will not disclose the identity of its clients. [Reuters, 12/17/2001; Reuters, 12/19/2001; IDG News Service, 12/20/2001]

Be advised that 911blogger is carefully moderated and your typical behavior on Alternet would get you banned instantly there.

There actually have been some blogs at 911blogger about computer security recently, on which you could comment if you were to register and start an account.

Keep in mind that you may not feel entirely comfortable at 911blogger though, as it is a serious site where the posters understand basic physics, logic and the scientific method, things you have repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance of here.

It's never to late to learn, GB.

As this particular article concerns the criminality of Mr. Cheney and his criminal involvement in the 9/11 operation is clear to most objective observers, then the subject of 9/11 is appropriate in this thread.

Why do you continue to work so hard maintaining the cover-up regarding 9/11?

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Why should anyone believe you? You're a liar who quote mines the writing of the NIST SEs.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 12:00 PM   
Current rating: 3

Tell us, "Left"Rodent, why did you deliberately omit the last paragraph of Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's analysis of the WTC collapse?

Here's the proof that you're a quote miner who will twist the statements of the NIST SEs in service of your hidden conspiranoid agenda.

Source: CIA_Secrets: We Must Fight To Get The Truth.

So, why did you deliberately omit the last paragraph of Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's analysis of the WTC collapse?

I'll tell you why: Because Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's conclusion does not agree with your 911 denier propaganda.



Yeah, what do I know about computers, right "Left"Rodent?
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Yo "Left"Rodent. You can't do freshman-level calculus. And here's the proof:
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 12:18 PM   
Current rating: 3

Use the chain rule to find the second derivative of the inverse function: If y = f(x), what is

d^2f-1/dy^2 = d/dy(1/df/dx)

as a function of x?

Come on, "Left"Rodent, this freshman-level stuff.

Surely a genius [cough] of your caliber with your never-demonstrated "knowledge" of "basic physics, logic and the scientific method" can solve this simple problem.

Charlatan.
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You mean like you do here, on Alternet?
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 20, 2009 12:13 PM   
Current rating: 5

But if you were requesting some kind of information to be published, I'd agree with you.
If you have lots of evidence that will shed some light onto a subject, I'd be all for it.
I'm not afraid of the truth like you are. I don't work day and night to help ensure the truth is kept from public view.

In fact, if you sign up at 911blogger and obviously want to work toward the truth via exposing and investigating facts that are appropriate, you CAN write articles there.

Just for fun, I'd like to know what you think about the attack on the USS Liberty and the coverup of what happened.
The handling of that incident by the press is not so different to what happened in the press concerning 9/11.
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Show me where I've ever hijacked a thread.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 12:21 PM   
Current rating: 1

I only respond to you and your hijacking of AlterNet articles with 911 denier propaganda.

How can I hijack a thread when I'm responding to your violation of AlterNet's "Post A Comment" policy?

Just a bit of a hypocrite and a liar, aren't you PFGoober?
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RE: Piss off GuitarbUll; you got nothing but bilge water.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jul 20, 2009 2:17 PM   
Current rating: 3
nt
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sasquuatch55-you ignorant [inset your favorite expletive here].
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 3:22 PM   
Current rating: 3

Nobody says that you are dumb, sasquuatch55. They just say you were sixteen years old before you learned how to wave good-bye.

%^)

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RE:And your a thick skulled knuckledragger!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jul 21, 2009 8:03 AM   
Current rating: 3
nt
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He maybe bilge water, but he is also the resident neocon mossad disinfo agent for ....
Posted by: Prophit on Jul 26, 2009 10:45 AM   
Current rating: 1

.... this site. He shows up behind anyone who is giving information the powers that be don't want out there, so I use his postings to read the ones he is responding too and I learn what the truth is by his responding trying to discredit the poster.

Its a sure way to figure out what the truth is and it works.... Believe me, they are petrified of Left wrights postings because the truth rests in those offerings and that is when "POND SCUM" shows up even under different names.

Start calling him "Guitar "SHILL"...that is what he is.... lol He's bad at it too. It wouldn't be so bad if he were good at it, but he is so bloody obvious its almost embarrassing. hehehe
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Yo PF! Stop trying to change the subject and answer my question:
[Report this comment]
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 12:34 PM   
Current rating: 3

Tell us about the conspiranoid conspiracy to hijack AlterNet articles.



Source: 911blogger.com

Over at 911blogger.com, PFGoober and his conspiranoid accomplices wrote the following:

I agree. We should help each other out in comment debates.

"I could use some help on Alternet. Every morning, any article that deals with any subject that is a consequence of 9/11, like war or torture or media censorship and wiretapping, gets a comment from me about 911.

And I get horribly flamed by some, like "Encino" and "GuitarBill" and others. They are ruthless, insulting, crude, but smart.

"Go to Alternet.org.

"Actually there Alternet has had few articles I could bring 911 onto in the last few days. There are a few, though.


Further down the thread, PFGoober reveals his anti-Semitism, when he writes,

That's a great idea.

"Somewhere here on blogger.........a place to put your website and comment and/or denier bs, and get others to help.

"We could really blast them.

"I really think theirs is a concerted effort.

"I'm not sure how it is done.

"Maybe the CIA/FBI or other agency.

"But it could be the Simon Weissenthal Center, or AIPAC, or a group of pseudo ipatriotic fundamentalist groups.

"But theirs is too organized, fast, the information they have flies out quickly.

"I'd love to know who some of the people really are.

"When I make a comment they know who I am.
But these guys are always completely ananymous [SIC].

"We are being snaked."

Source: 911blogger.com


No, PFGoober, the only people "being snaked" are the legitimate AlterNeters.

Now, take your anti-Semitic bullshit back to 911blogger.com where it belongs.
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Again PFGetty check your sources...
Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 20, 2009 11:39 AM   
Current rating: 3

Here is the democraticundergrounds and DailkKos take of Mr. Madison and his reliablility:

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Nice post, EncinoM.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 2:15 PM   
Current rating: 3

You did some serious damage to flyboy's argument with that post.

%^)
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Hahahaha, what you two or should I say GB and his alter ego Encino,, don't realize is....
Posted by: Prophit on Jul 26, 2009 10:49 AM   
Current rating: 1

... no one is reading your stuff.. Just because its you its an automatic 1 rating. Haven't you figured that out yet???? lol
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What's PFGoober's REAL goal: Mainstreaming his conspiranoia.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 20, 2009 2:08 PM   
Current rating: 3

Right, PF?

%^) 

Posted by Staff, Huffington Post at 4:37 PM on July 21, 2009.
Bailout Watch-Dog Elizabeth Warren on Reining in the Banksters (VIDEO)

2009-07-21






By Eric Boehlert, Media Matters for America. Posted August 3, 2009.
The New Yorker Magazine's Strange Embrace of Hate-Spewing Shock Jock Michael Savage

2009-08-03

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» Bill, you are an abject failure and have failed to advance a clear explanation for your theories. Posted by: grindermonkey
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» RE: Criticism from a microcephalic moron Posted by: beijaflor
» I reserve the right to subject idiots to ridicule at my discretion. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Herr dithered scribbles, "...the 4th Estate was killed" on 911? Really? No kdding? Posted by: axisofoil
» You're a neo-Nazi and fraud Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Astounding new revelations from inside source who spied on the occult elite Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Floggin' your Alex Jones conspiranoid theories again, Lauren? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Be A True Revolutionary American Posted by: laoma
» MSM Posted by: talkville
» RE: MSM Posted by: rider3
» RE: MSM Posted by: talkville
» RE: MSM Posted by: weathered
» syed salamah ali mahdi Posted by: salamah
» RE: Does he go to the annual meeting? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» axisofoil Posted by: axisofoil
» RE: Savage is an ego maniac who incites rape Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» True, Savage is an @$$hole, but... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: True, Savage is an @$$hole, but... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: True, Savage is an @$$hole, but... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: True, Savage is an @$$hole, but... Posted by: axisofoil
» Are you really that dense? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Are you really that dense? Posted by: axisofoil
» More BS, AxisOfTinFoil? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: More BS, AxisOfTinFoil? Posted by: axisofoil
» I'm saying if you're a "truther", you're a neo-NAZI. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: True, Savage is an @$$hole, but... Posted by: weathered
» And you should face a sanity hearing, or face commitment to a psychiatric institution. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Go away, you are stalking me and you are obsessed Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Get a restraining order. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 5, 2009 10:02 AM




» Complain about GuitarBill to AlterNet - maybe they will ban him from posting Posted by: guns4everyone on Aug 5, 2009 3:15 PM   
» RE: Complain about GuitarBill to AlterNet - maybe they will ban him from posting Posted by: axisofoil
» You should change your handle to "AxisOfTinFoil". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Never mind that conspiranoids and lunatics offend me. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Complain about GuitarBill to AlterNet - maybe they will ban him from posting Posted by: weathered
» Coming from an anti-Semitic conspiranoid whose credit is less than zero Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Coming from an anti-Semitic conspiranoid whose credit is less than zero Posted by: weathered
» Well, now you can add liar to your list of wonderful qualities. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Well, now you can add liar to your list of wonderful qualities. Posted by: axisofoil
» Anti Semitism is a moral imperative Posted by: telluride
» Well if it isn't "telluride", the neo-Nazi. Posted by: GuitarBill


» Screw the New Yorker! We don't need another rag trying to shove sh*t down our throats. Posted by: Paul_C
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» The proof's in the pudding, right @$$? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The proof's in the pudding, right @$$? Posted by: axisofoil
» F*ck off, liar. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: F*ck off, liar. Posted by: axisofoil
Get a restraining order. %^)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 5, 2009 10:02 AM   
Current rating: 3

"...Have you ever met me?"

Thankfully no. And I can tell you that any friend of yours...is a friend of yours.

"...Your comment about seeing the back of my head when you look in my eyes sounds like something a stalker would say. A murderous stalker."

But it's true, when I look into your eyes, I see the back of your head.

%^)

If you possessed an IQ above room temperature, you'd understand that the joke refers to your distinct lack of brain matter.

"...Do you work for Xe?"

No, I work for the Heritage Foundation, er sorry, that's "Q Group", er sorry, that's The Simon Wiesenthal Center, er sorry that's AIPAC, er sorry, that's RAND Corp., er sorry, that's the JDL, er sorry, that's JREF, er sorry...

"...I have had the displeasure of having quite a few threatening encounters with scary men."

Then may I suggest that you stay out of the Men's Room.

%^)

"...Have we actually met? Where? When?"

Okay, if you insist. It was Omaha, Nebraska, Men's Room--1972.

"...You are scaring me."

Not half as much as you annoy me.

"...I want you to go away and leave me alone."

I'll tell you what, Lauren, you go away and I'll leave you alone.

Deal?

%^)



THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 9/11 DENIERS.
___ {end}


Complain about GuitarBill to AlterNet - maybe they will ban him from posting
Posted by: guns4everyone on Aug 5, 2009 3:15 PM   
Current rating: 3

If you are revolted with GuitarBill's rudeness in violation of AlterNets guidlines, say as much to "Report this comment" and "Feedback" as I have here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I honestly cannot fathom why AlterNet contenances GuitarBill for his discourteous, monomaniacal, and always off-topic tirades. He invariably drags interesting exchanges of observation and otherwise civil opinionating into the toilet. I've noticed you have censored replies to his "comments" but never his, despite his personnally insulting and outrightly slanted hysteria. Why is that ? Is this "GuitarBill" one of AlterNet's unofficial thought police ? Or some other type of "favorite son" ?
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
He really degrades AterNet comment IMO
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By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast. Posted August 3, 2009.
Sodomized to Protect Our Freedoms

2009-08-03

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» Even ass-rape is the tip of the iceberg. Posted by: uncertain
» RE: ven ass-rape is the tip of the iceberg. Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: ven ass-rape is the tip of the iceberg. Posted by: EJLima
» RE: ven ass-rape is the tip of the iceberg. Posted by: maglindracia
» And yet the news yesterday, all about three Americans "held". Big deal. Posted by: pfgetty
» PF, tell us about the conspiranoid's conspiracy to hijack AlterNet articles. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: PF, tell us about the conspiranoid's conspiracy to hijack AlterNet articles. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Nice straw man, Sister Nutcase. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» Still trying to grasp the definition of the word censorship? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Still trying to grasp the definition of the word censorship? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Conspiracy theorists first reaction is to call a critic a government agent--sans evidence, of course Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Guitar Bill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» Take a vacation; go to Club Dead. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The article's title says toture; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 denier propaganda. Posted by: GuitarBill
» PF, what is torture? Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 3, 2009 6:56 AM
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll on Aug 3, 2009 5:44 PM
» PFConspiranoid scribbles, "...the lies of 9/11." Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hold it! Stop the press! The article's title says sodomize; thus, 911 denier propaganda IS on topic. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Don't thank me for insulting you, PFConspiranoid. It was my pleasure. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Don't thank me for insulting you, PFConspiranoid. It was my pleasure. %^) Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Whatever is eating you must be suffering horribly. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You are as dumb as they come, dumber than dog shit Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» "...I was brutally raped at the suggestion of our president." %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Is this whacko or what? GB really needs to have some intervention, maybe for his own good. Posted by: pfgetty
» You want nutballs, PF? "Scholars" For 911 Truth: The Founding Fathers. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Is this whacko or what? GB really needs to have some intervention, maybe for his own good. Posted by: Lemuel G.
» History matters. So does 9/11 and high school physics Posted by: MaxBridges
» Quote mining the NIST Report again? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Not understanding the NIST Report again? Posted by: MaxBridges
» Wrong again. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Advanced Math Degree? You can't even substract... Posted by: MaxBridges
» Idiot. You can't do math. Stage 2 was not the longest stage of the collapse. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Cracker Jack Math of GuitarBill Posted by: MaxBridges
» You've ONLY accounted for 240' of the building; but the building was 741' (226m). Posted by: GuitarBill
» Take up the missing floors with NIST Posted by: MaxBridges
» So the answer is to make leaps of logic? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Munged GuitarBill Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» What do structural engineers know? Let's consult the experts: conspiranoids. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Motives, motives, motives Posted by: MaxBridges
» Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit,. Posted by: GuitarBill
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» Judging books by their covers... Posted by: MaxBridges
» Anonymous sources are worthless--and so are you, Max. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your Anonymous sources argument is worthless Posted by: MaxBridges
» E. P. Heidner is disinformation and an anonymous source. Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill is disinformation and wrong (again) Posted by: MaxBridges
» Lying again, "Left"Rodent? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Your Anonymous sources argument is worthless Posted by: epheidner
» I stand corrected Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: I stand corrected Posted by: epheidner
» Anyone can create an "epheidner" account at AlterNet. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: History matters. So does 9/11 and high school physics Posted by: Lemuel G.
» first-year philosophy versus high school physics Posted by: MaxBridges
» Now, you're telling outright lies, Max. The building was 47 stories Posted by: GuitarBill
» Advanced Math Degree? You can't even substract... Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Advanced Math Degree? You can't even substract... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Advanced Math Degree? You can't even substract... Posted by: MaxBridges
» Still working on that reading comprehension thing? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» You masturbate in the shower so much, you get an erection whenever it rains. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Cracker Jack Mathematician doesn't know averages Posted by: MaxBridges
» More straw man arguments, jack@$$? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Distractions and insults: GuitarBill's MO Posted by: MaxBridges
» There you go again. Giving us your opinion and ABSOLUTELY NO MATH. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Disinformation warrior wants busy work he'll then ignore Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: first-year philosophy versus high school physics Posted by: Lemuel G.
» History Major who can't read, research, or do math... Posted by: MaxBridges
» You haven't done any physics. All you've done is give us your opinion. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Disinformation warrior wants busy work he'll then ignore Posted by: MaxBridges
» You Know It Is True. . . Posted by: The Old Hippie
» Welcome to the new Amerikkka... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» Israel's gifts to America Posted by: weathered
» Great idea! 911 denier CD-ROMs. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Great idea! 911 denier CD-ROMs. Posted by: uncertain
» RE: Great idea! 911 denier CD-ROMs. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» When God was throwing intelligence down to the Earth, you were holding an umbrella. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You are a rapist Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» This is no battle of wits between you and me. I never pick on an unarmed woman. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill's tin foil hat is overheating Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» How many years did it take you to learn how to breathe? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill's tin foil hat is overheating Posted by: uncertain
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» Torture Blues Posted by: When In Doubt
» RE: Torture Blues/TO THE STREETS OF AMERICA Posted by: marletat
» RE: Torture Blues/TO THE STREETS OF AMERICA Posted by: weathered
» RE: To infect AMERICA with a pro torture, "rape is funny", attitude Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: To infect AMERICA with a pro torture, "rape is funny", attitude Posted by: maglindracia
» RE: Torture Blues/TO THE STREETS OF AMERICA Posted by: Xynyx
» And, the point of this article is what, exactly? Posted by: CovertRage
» You always defend Posted by: littlepitcher
» An eye for an eye Posted by: aahpat
» RE: You always defend Posted by: St. Luke
» RE: You always defend Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: You mean the Mormons, Baptists or the Bush family? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Support our troops Posted by: peterjkraus
» "Support our troops": 'send condoms' Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
» RE: Support our troops Posted by: Sananda
» true anti-Semitism Posted by: Kati
» RE: true anti-Semitism Posted by: Sananda
» The Talmud - Doctrine of Demons Posted by: phoenixproject
» Sexual Emasculation Posted by: aahpat
» RE: Sexual domination Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Organized religion Posted by: aahpat
» Better movies? Posted by: teddy
» RE: Better movies? Posted by: gimmie shelter
» No, AIPAC infected congress, now Posted by: weathered
» RE: Better movies? Posted by: micko
» RE: post WWII Posted by: kogwonton
» You're talking crap... Posted by: Lemuel G.
» RE: You're talking crap... Posted by: kogwonton
» American treatment of German POWs not exactly what you 'remember' it to be... Posted by: Lemuel G.
» RE: American treatment of German POWs not exactly what you 'remember' it to be... Posted by: teddy
» "Who Da Bitch Now?" - Eric Schwartz Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
» RE: "Who Da Bitch Now?" - Eric Schwartz Posted by: Kati
» Civil unrest. Posted by: pinkfloydd
» Jim Crow is alive and well Posted by: aahpat
» RE: Since most of the terrorist armies around the world would not exist Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Since most of the terrorist armies around the world would not exist Posted by: aahpat
» War is hell!!!! Posted by: Spiritgirl
» RE: War is hell!!!! Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: War is hell!!!! Posted by: Kati
» 'show me who you walk with Posted by: weathered
» You wouldn't happen to have a problem with monomania, now would you dithered? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You wouldn't happen to have a problem with monomania, now would you dithered? Posted by: uncertain
» I always wanted to be a troubleshooter, but now I see you're not worth it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» You just flew in from the sperm bank--and boy, are your arms tired. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Business as usual Posted by: peacekeepertwo
» RE: If you really want to win, you fight smart Posted by: kettleblack
» Our soldier/children are committing suicide Posted by: weathered
» disquieting Posted by: Bushmaster
» You can thank Israel Posted by: weathered
» Blaming someone else... Posted by: Kati
» RE: Blaming Israel is correct. Posted by: weathered
» More of your idiotic "insurance fraud & murder" bilge? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You can thank Israel Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: disquieting Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: Demand investigations. Demand Justice. That's what we must do. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker Posted by: GuitarBilll
» Fucked Posted by: QQOblivion
» RE: Grandpa Dick Cheney has had his most sick fantasies fulfilled Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Grandpa Dick Cheney has had his most sick fantasies fulfilled Posted by: gimmie shelter
» As reprehensile, sick, and depraved Posted by: willymack
» I try to console myself Posted by: Archie1954
» RE: I try to console myself Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: I try to console myself Posted by: Lemuel G.
» Do you who read this differentiate between Hitler's Nazis and today's Germans? Many Americans don't! Posted by: fcvoigt
» The teutonic faux pope says nothing! Posted by: weathered
» it is obvious Posted by: eres
» This sham of a government is FUCKING EVIL Posted by: je5752
» ead Posted by: emad964
» If Sod=Torture, then what about US prisons? Posted by: eyejam
» Just another name for torture Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» Wow. What a bunch of tools you all are. Posted by: Beastly
» RE: Wow. What a bunch of tools you all are. Posted by: gimmie shelter
» What's all the fuss? Posted by: gw
» RE: What's all the fuss? Posted by: gimmie shelter
PF, what is torture?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 3, 2009 6:56 AM   
Current rating: 2

I define torture as reading PFConspiranoid's 911 denier propaganda.

PF, do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?


"Pull it! Pull it!"


THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 9/11 DENIERS.
___ {end}


RE: GuitarBill admits to being a wanker
Posted by: GuitarBilll on Aug 3, 2009 5:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated

Let it be known that I, GuitarBill, and all of my aliases, do hereby confesses to being an outrageous wanker.
Do not pay any attention to me anymore.
___ {end}


{More is available in Volume 3 starting about here.}


Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 9:39 AM on August 5, 2009.
Teabagging Seniors Forget Medicare a Gov't Run Program

2009-08-05

» Teabagging Seniors Forget Medicare a Government Run Program Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: As you denigrate others; is this a forum to bring up 9/11? Posted by: sasquuatch55
» I didn't bring up 911, genius. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The link in your post doofus! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» I'll put any link in my post that I please, jack@$$. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I'll do and say what I want because I can, like being a hypocrite; so there! Posted by: sasquuatch55

By Sara Robinson, Campaign for America's Future. Posted August 13, 2009.
7 Ways We Can Fight Back Against the Rising Fascist Threat

2009-08-13

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» I started reading... Posted by: tjg1984
» RE: I started reading...and you shouldn't have stopped or chopped Posted by: Beck
» Join our new progressive political party Posted by: www.democratz.org
» The GOPranos. The Republi KLAN party Posted by: www.democratz.org
» RE: I started reading... Posted by: mythmorph
» They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: aichbe
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: aichbe
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: Birdland
» RE: True... Posted by: Cybershaman
» I would like to add to your excellent comment, Cybershaman... Posted by: Quannah
» Then change the policies for African Ameicans and quit keeping them behind. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: johnmont
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: aichbe
» RE: They're trying to distract attention from the looming disaster from HR3200 with race this time. Posted by: johnmont
» RE: I started reading...& should have continued..... Posted by: Spiritgirl
» I think you all better start reading some people on the left who are still "HONEST" and quit this... Posted by: CynicI
» There are more people on the left who remain honest surprisingly and it will show. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Here is what Republican rule looks like Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Then why are the Democrats with their strong majority not using their power to stop it? Posted by: maxpayne
» I think... Posted by: katnip
» Wrong. They ain't compromising. They're giving all of us the MIDDLE FINGER. Posted by: maxpayne
» No... Posted by: katnip
» You're worried about a lousy gun toter? That's it? Posted by: maxpayne
» "Strong" majority? Posted by: brunowe
» RE: "Strong" majority? Posted by: Birdland
» RE: "Strong" majority? Posted by: Birdland
» BOTH SIDES WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: BOTH SIDES WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: BOTH SIDES WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. Posted by: photon's feather
» Grrr... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: BOTH SIDES WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. Posted by: Birdland
» So let me get this straight Posted by: katnip
» You're supporting continuing the 30 years "conservatism" for the next 4 ! Posted by: maxpayne
» "Honest" as in "Obama is going to euthEnize [sic] you're [sic] grandma" THAT kind of "honest"? Posted by: Beck
» Oh, my gawd, its not that you "won't" read, its that you "can't" read. Posted by: CynicI
» Who do you think you're fooling, "prophit(0)"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Oh, my gawd, its not that you "won't" read, its that you "can't" read. Posted by: Quannah
» Prophit.... you are a COWARD! Posted by: Quannah
» Quannah.... you are a COWARD! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: I think you all better start reading some people on the left who are still "HONEST" and quit this... Posted by: oregonox
» RE: I started reading... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Sorry, mate - I think it _is_ about race. Posted by: CanuckKid
» Your argument is specious.... why? Because over 60% of Americans voted for Obama... Posted by: CynicI
» That's absurd Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Your argument is specious.... why? Because over 60% of Americans voted for Obama... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: I started reading... Posted by: aichbe
» IT'S THE FAMILY! IT'S THE FAMILY! NO SHIT! I'V HAD AN EPIPHANY! Posted by: foreverhope
» Join our new progressive political party Posted by: www.democratz.org
» I have joined and waiting there with my cup of Irish tea! N/T!! Posted by: foreverhope
» TRUTHINESS FROM VOTEVETS.ORG! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: I started reading... Posted by: yesman
» WOW! Have a look at this very ominous warning on GOOGLE!!! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: WOW! Have a look at this very ominous warning on GOOGLE!!! Posted by: Sananda
» RE: I started reading... Posted by: Wilde
» RE: Hmmm Fascism? Posted by: theweel
» Why Defend Obama or the Democrats ? : "Medicare for All" Posted by: mmckinl
» aww crap (YAWN) this post deserved a one, my mistake, it's late ;-D xx n/t Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: aww crap (YAWN) this post deserved a one, my mistake, it's late ;-D xx n/t Posted by: mmckinl
» Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: maxpayne
» Mmckini and Maxpayne more power to you... Posted by: zigy
» More power to you too zigy and all other truly independent ones out there. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: maxpayne
» I rest my case Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Smoke and Mirrors, Posted by: pelican beak
» Since that's all you can come up with, Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Don't worry mmckinl. You got my backing. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Don't stop speaking "truth" to the uninformed faithbased, idol worshippers... Posted by: CynicI
» Tell us, Prophit/CynicI.... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Tell us, Prophit/CynicI.... Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: aww crap (YAWN) this post deserved a one, no, ratings are more real than these posts. Posted by: Beck
» Beck/foreverhope/Quannah/Aimleft/Pelican Beak/Guitarbill/etc ... are subtle rightwing desperados. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Beck/foreverhope/Quannah/Aimleft/Pelican Beak/Guitarbill/etc ... are subtle rightwing desperados. Posted by: aichbe
» RE: Beck/foreverhope/Quannah/Aimleft/Pelican Beak/Guitarbill/etc ... are subtle rightwing desperados. Posted by: maxpayne
» We KNOW its beyond you. Its obvious and you make it obvious. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: We KNOW its beyond you. Its obvious and you make it obvious. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: We KNOW its beyond you. Its obvious and you make it obvious. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» HEY ALTERNET! CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE A ZERO RATING FOR ZEROS? Posted by: foreverhope
» Actually, you ended up doing the "right" thing even against your own ignorance. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Actually, you are very verbally abusive Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Thanks, I will look into that... now how come you didn't recommend that to foreverhate??? Posted by: CynicI
» RE: how come you didn't recommend that to foreverhate??? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» First of all your lying. She did not swear at anyone over torture and rape and no one on here.... Posted by: CynicI
» Yo "Prophit(0)"! What was that you were saying about page 425 of HR3200? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yo "Prophit(0)"! What was that you were saying about page; a lie. it was a lie Posted by: Beck
» "...Did I mention that Prophit told a lie about page 425?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Thanks, I will look into that... now how come you didn't recommend that to foreverhate??? Posted by: Quannah
» Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person. Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person. Posted by: maxpayne
» I'm a "right-winger", Max?" Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why indirectly defend the right? YOU are full of BS, beginning with "Obamacare". You may as well be Posted by: Beck
» Idiots Need to Get A Life Posted by: Aimleft
» thank you aimleft for saying what is on my mind Posted by: kathrinka
» RE: Do not feed the trolls Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» According to Becky, calling for single payer means you're a Bill O'Reilly supporter. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: It's CRIME FIGHTING TIME ! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: It's CRIME FIGHTING TIME ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: It's CRIME FIGHTING TIME ! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: It's CRIME FIGHTING TIME ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: According to Becky, anyone who sounds just like an O'Reilly supporter IS an Posted by: Beck
» RE: Why Defend Obama or the Democrats ? : "Medicare for All" Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Why Defend Obama or the Democrats ? : "Medicare for All" Posted by: mythmorph
» Here, educate yourself and tell this liberal investigative reporter.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Here, educate YOURself and tell this liberal investigative reporter that liberal IR's don't Posted by: Beck
» Truthiness deserves a great big high FIVE! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Why To Defend Obama or the Democrats. Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: Why To Defend Obama or the Democrats. Here's reason #503 Posted by: Beck
» RE: Why Defend Obama or the Democrats ? : "Medicare for All" Posted by: tmgibs
» RE: Why Defend Obama or the Democrats ? : "Medicare for All" Posted by: aichbe
» DEMAND IT! DEMAND IT! JUST SAY NO! JUST SAY NO! Posted by: foreverhope
» MINDLESS OPPOSITION TO HCR DISCRIMINATES AGAINST THE SICK, DISABLED, UNEMPLOYED & UNINSURED! Posted by: foreverhope
» AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Posted by: foreverhope
» Your stats are BS Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: that is why I call him regressive death Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: that is why I call him regressive death Posted by: progressive-life
» Leave Lauren alone you fucking bitch creep Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Leave Lauren alone you fucking bitch creep Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Sister Lauren is pointing out a fact about you prograssive-life Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Sister Lauren is pointing out a fact about you prograssive-life Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: I call bullplop! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: *Ahem* YOUR stats are BS progressive-life Posted by: Ghoulman
» It's everyones' favorite paid shill. Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» Obama way below 50% Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Utter rubbish. Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Obama way below 50% Posted by: aichbe
» RE: Obama way below 50% Posted by: Birdland
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: aichbe
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: aichbe
» RE: Your stats are BS Posted by: Birdland
» RE: GREAT Post; Great Summary Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» RE: AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Posted by: Birdland
» So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal???? Posted by: CynicI
» RE: So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal? Why I thought it was the one that kills Posted by: Beck
» Oh, this must be guitar shill.... lol You don't answer the question or give links....as requested.. Posted by: CynicI
» Who do you think you're fooling "prophit(0)"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» HEY, PROPHIT... WANNA EXPLAIN THIS??? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Oh, this must be guitar shill....Dear cynic. It's time for you to know. Posted by: Beck
» RE: you're more like a group of people posting under one name Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: That's a possiblility Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal? Why I thought it was the one that kills Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal? Why I thought it was the one that kills Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal? Why I thought it was the one that kills Posted by: Quannah
» RE: So, where is Obama's single payer health care proposal? Why I thought it was the one that kills Posted by: Beck
» Obama opposes single payer so he ain't gotta a proposal. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: You don't find such an act to be tyrannical in any way? Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» I find for-profit health "care" with 22,000 deaths a year and 35,000,000 + uninsured Posted by: Beck
» RE: You don't find such an act to be tyrannical in any way? Posted by: maxpayne
» Stop the pandemic screeching Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Posted by: aichbe
» FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH! LET'S TAKE IT TO THE STREETS! Posted by: foreverhope
» Woodstock was 40 years ago. Get over it! Posted by: Macarthur
» You think we don't know you? Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: You think we don't know you? Posted by: uncertain
» You are sick. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: You think we don't know you? Posted by: Macarthur
» You are sick also. Posted by: Aimleft
» blah blah blah blah Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Woodstock was 40 years ago. Get over it! Thanks, MacA, for solving our problems Posted by: Beck
» RE: Woodstock was 40 years ago. Get over it! Thanks, MacA, for solving our problems Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Woodstock was 40 years ago. Get over it! Thanks, MacA, for solving our problems Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Woodstock was 40 years ago. Get over it! Thanks, MacA, for solving our problems Posted by: Beck
» LOL! BECK! Woodstock was 40 years ago! Get over it CARBON BUTT! Posted by: foreverhope
» ah, but people are still talking about it. Posted by: Smackback
» Amen! You are spot on! We have soldiers fighting and dying and for what? Morons Posted by: avidAmerican
» A SPOT ON YOUR AMEN Posted by: americansheep
» Right up to the second to the last word, Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: soldiers fighting and dying and for what? Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: soldiers fighting and dying and for what? Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: soldiers fighting and dying and for what? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Soldiers are laying down their lives for oil, military industrial profits, the carlyle group,.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Soldiers are laying down their lives for oil, military industrial profits, the carlyle group,... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I have an honest question for you....... Posted by: CynicI
» ROTFLMAO! Stop it, "prophit(0)", you're killing me... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH! LET'S TAKE IT TO THE STREETS! Posted by: Femmy68
» Excellent, foreverhope, that is exactly what this article is doing..... Posted by: CynicI
» you have way to much time on your hands..get a job..pay for you own healthcare so I don't have to!!! Posted by: progressive-life
» nurses know the truth and they want a public plan... Posted by: luzmejor
» Boy, do I agree with you on that one wholeheartedly. Posted by: CynicI
» I agree 100% Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: you have way to much time on your hands..get a job..pay for you own healthcare so I don't have to!!! Posted by: walldodger1969
» But... Posted by: progressive-life
» Name one Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» Oh, wow, another one I agree with. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH! LET'S TAKE IT TO THE STREETS! Posted by: mjx729
» 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: tjg1984
» to tjg1984, excellent post! Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: to tjg1984, excellent post! Posted by: taxidave
» Uhhh, read the entire post, he apologized for that. He said he got caught up in the name calling... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Uhhh, They call us lefties who are mad at Obama, right wing nuts Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Hmmm, so anyone rude and offensive is not a leftie??? Does that mean you and your two cohorts.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Buy a clue. Posted by: Ghoulman
» You can't tell people to buy when the economy's all fucked up. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: You can't tell people to buy when the economy's all fucked up. Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: You can't tell people to buy when the economy's all fucked up. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: You can't tell people to buy when the economy's all fucked up. Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: to tjg1984, excellent post! Posted by: tjg1984
» tjg1984, don't let the rating system let you down. You're a brave soldier. Posted by: maxpayne
» Your item #7, tell that to those who will be forced to take the "untested" vaccines. Posted by: CynicI
» Off your meds again, "prophit(0)"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» PRAY HARD HARD HARD! HARD ON FOR HATE! Posted by: foreverhope
» Rape? Really? Posted by: Macarthur
» Stupid Any? Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Rape? Really? Posted by: Ghoulman
» Macarthur ......... actually is............. Posted by: proudleftist
» RE: Macarthur ......... actually is............. Posted by: proudleftist
» Damn, woman, take your meds or get some counselling, you have a serious mental problem. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: PRAY HARD HARD HARD! HARD ON FOR HATE! Posted by: cypriot
» This is supposed to be satire, right? Posted by: EKSwitaj
» RE: This is supposed to be satire, right? Posted by: s.duplantier
» RE: This is supposed to be satire, right? Posted by: Ghoulman
» ALTERNET ALERT! PLEASE REMOVE THIS RACIST BIGOT MILITIA MAGGOT WITH A HARD ON FOR HATE! N/T! Posted by: foreverhope
» Calm down, foreverdope, they will ban me. Posted by: Macarthur
» Oh, you pooooooooooooooooooor, oppressed little white man. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Oh, you pooooooooooooooooooor, oppressed little white man. Posted by: COhippie
» FOREVERDOPE???? *LOL* n/t Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: ALTERNET ALERT! PLEASE REMOVE THIS RACIST BIGOT MILITIA MAGGOT WITH A HARD ON FOR HATE! N/T! Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: ALTERNET ALERT! PLEASE REMOVE THIS RACIST BIGOT MILITIA MAGGOT WITH A HARD ON FOR HATE! N/T! Posted by: maxpayne
» What is encouraging about Hope (misnamed, it should be "HATE" Foreverhate!) is that... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: What is encouraging about Hope (misnamed, it should be "HATE" Foreverhate!) is that... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Lauren, I've always treated you with the utmost respect Posted by: foreverhope
» I'm so so sorry Lauren Honey! Posted by: foreverhope
» ALERT TO TROLL PATROLLERS! Posted by: foreverhope
» Please call me Forever Love, or Love Forever, or Hope Forever! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Please call me Forever Love, or Love Forever, or Hope Forever! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Please call me Forever Love, or Love Forever, or Hope Forever! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: deep calming breaths - my religion is more calming than your religion (friendly joke) Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» deep calming breaths & friendly joke! you've got that right Sister! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Lauren, I've always treated you with the utmost respect; well. . . . Posted by: Beck
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: bulbman
» Wow, talk about promoting violence. I do not see these kinds of posts.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: I am wondering, are foreverhate and beck trolls???? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Are you looking for trolls, "prophit(0)"? Have a look in the mirror. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Awesome post! Who said the art of satire was dead. Posted by: begruntleed
» RE: Buy guns and dictionaries! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: laoma
» RE: talking about Marxism... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: A Civil War Is Coming says Macarthur... what foolish talk! Posted by: greentime
» Well, with articles like this one, its no wonder people think "civil war" rather than revolution! Posted by: CynicI
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: Lilly
» RE: Don't you know, folks, it's our liberal blood they're talking about Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: This guy is SICK Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism? Report this comment. Alternet claims to deal with right-wing Posted by: Beck
» "Well, BUY MORE GUNS." -- In other words, KISS THE NRA'S ASS!!! Posted by: xvictor
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: desidid
» Fabulous working definition of fascism, thanks Posted by: mkahn
» INTERVENTION FOR YOUR "HEAVY MENTAL" Posted by: americansheep
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: robert.noll
» Macarthur, they don't get much sicker than you. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Marx is rolling over in his grave... Posted by: mjglow
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: luzmejor
» 6) Get a dictionary. Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: ayudame
» hmmmm ... here's something for your to think about... Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» RE: 7 ways to reply to a fascist! Posted by: kelethian
» RE: 7 ways to reply to a fascist! Posted by: kelethian
» HEY! MAC DUMB ASS! I KNOW YOU DUDE, I KNOW YOU! Posted by: foreverhope
» Could we just call him MacSucker? hmmmmm...? n/t Posted by: foreverhope
» MacManiac....MacShit....Mac the man with a tiny itty bitty pee pee with a chronic hard on for hate.. Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: 7 ways to change your name when you keep getting BANNED FROM ALTERNET! Posted by: Quannah
» DON'T WORRY... YOU CERTAINLY WILL BE BANNED AGAIN SOON! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net
» RE: 7 ways to stop Marxism Posted by: sam3
» These Jack Boots Were Made For Walkin' Posted by: Tom Degan
» Just keep playing that race card, Tom... Posted by: Macarthur
» Marxist? Posted by: HeroesAll
» Inconceivable! Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: Marxist? Posted by: taxidave
» Rudy Ghouliani had an unjustified fear and hatred of Marxists!!! Posted by: xvictor
» Almost laughable? Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Marxist? Posted by: progressive-life
» YOU CAN COME & COME & COME & COME......... Posted by: foreverhope
» Fuckhead moron? Posted by: Macarthur
» Oh come on, you love it. Posted by: Aimleft
» LOL! Aimleft! Don't piss off the IRISH! ;-D xx n/t! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Just keep playing that race card, Tom... Posted by: Tom Degan
» Is anyone else sick of the pretentious Tom Degan? Posted by: Macarthur
» Yeah, I'm sick of Tom Degan, too! Posted by: Tom Degan
» Tom, you need some sunshine. Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: Tom's alright....he likes Faulty Towers.... Posted by: Allstar Cookie
» RE: Tom's alright....he likes Faulty Towers.... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Tom's alright....he likes Faulty Towers.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» Gee, Mac Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Macarthur, you need some manners Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Yeah, I'm sick of Tom Degan, too! Posted by: adp3d
» RE: Yeah, I'm sick of Tom Degan, too! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Yeah, I'm sick of Tom Degan, too! Posted by: Allstar Cookie
» Some suggestions for you, Tom.. Posted by: grindermonkey
» You are a brilliant Irish gentleman Tom Degan! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: You are a brilliant Irish gentleman Tom Degan! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: You are a brilliant Irish gentleman Tom Degan! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Yeah, I'm sick of Tom Degan, too! Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Just keep playing that race card, Tom... Posted by: fred_53_99
» He played the card that was dealt, MAC. So blacks are uneducated, according to you? Posted by: Beck
» Mac - congratulations on your lobotomy! Makes you a good right-winger fascist. Posted by: thekidde
» I don't about black people being lazy Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» RE: Point for point... MacArthur Posted by: Ghoulman
» Just another jealous Euro-sissy who can't win a war... Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: oh, nice. Bring it on! Posted by: Ghoulman
» Ha Ha! America wins again! Posted by: Macarthur
» RE: Ha Ha! America wins again! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Just keep playin... Posted by: beijaflor
» RE: Just keep playing that race card, Tom...NO, the racist is Macarthur Posted by: munchkinpup
» Baldwin? Posted by: johnwinthrop
» RE: James Baldwin, a tired cliche of the beat era? Posted by: Tom Degan
» Give the racism BS a break! Posted by: progressive-life
» I can understand you believing that if you agree with all that Obama has done. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Easy to say... Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: These Jack Boots Were Made For Walkin' Posted by: mjx729
» Heads up: Obama is a neocon Posted by: Perry Logan
» Heads up? Yes, raise your head. Why aren't the Repubs happy, then? Posted by: Beck
» Actually, the Repubs are laughing at you and Obama for shooting his base down. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Actually, the Repubs are laughing at you and Obama for shooting his base down. Posted by: Beck
» RE: Actually, the Repubs are laughing at you and Obama for shooting his base down. Posted by: maxpayne
» You are sooo very right about that. I came on here expecting... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: You are sooo very right about that. I came on here expecting... Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Heads up: Obama is a neocon Posted by: tjg1984
» Excellent post, too bad we have to come this far down to read it... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Obama is NOT a neocon... Posted by: Ghoulman
» Pay Royalty Posted by: johnwinthrop
» THOSE WHO REAMAIN SILENT ARE COMPLICIT Posted by: drricklippin
» Thanks. Please everyone, do something today, tomorrow, etc. Posted by: Beck
» Your right, the false flag swine flu is in progress as we speak with forced vaccinations. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: PNAC manifesto says WHAT??? Posted by: Ghoulman
» Prophit Alex Jones is rotting your little brain... Posted by: EncinoM
» I've been following information along these lines also... Posted by: zigy
» RE: Your right, the false flag swine flu is in progress as we speak with forced vaccinations. Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: THOSE WHO REAMAIN SILENT ARE COMPLICIT Posted by: huntswithboomstick
» For every action Posted by: aahpat
» RE: For every action Posted by: Femmy68
» Femmy68 Posted by: aahpat
» Good suggestion, get away from the controlled press and get out there.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: For every action Posted by: songbird1268
» RE: For every action Posted by: aahpat
» Sara's not being honest here Posted by: logansafi
» RE: Sara's not being honest here? ... you are bullying. Posted by: greentime
» RE: Sara's not being honest here? ... you are bullying. Posted by: MT512
» How 'bout all real good worthy dems watch THEIR BACKS so they can do what they must do! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: How 'bout all real good worthy dems watch THEIR BACKS so they can do what they must do! Posted by: MT512
» I say go whine to your "GREEN PARTY" sore losers! N/T! Posted by: foreverhope
» Ah, a strong symptom that more liberals, independents, and moderates are leaving the Obama building Posted by: maxpayne
» Amen, Obama maybe reaching across the aisle to repubs, but he is .... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: I say go whine to your "GREEN PARTY" sore losers! N/T! Posted by: MT512
» Palin's sick head is what started all this crap, instilling these evil thoughts into the heads Posted by: avidAmerican
» One of the few Democratic "minor" manipulations? Everyone gets health care. In nonreality land, Posted by: Beck
» Everyone who's rich or well connected gets health care while everyone else gets the bird. Posted by: maxpayne
» I agree, Beck wouldn't even read Gregg Palasts research on Obama's bill... Posted by: CynicI
» Well, I'm apparently naive, but I'm okay with everyone getting health care and me not paying the CEO Posted by: Beck
» Then pull your damn head outta the sand and wake up ! Posted by: maxpayne
» Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: bulbman
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: mainspark
» Excellent, Mainspark! Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: xcellent, Mainspark! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: xcellent, Mainspark! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: fred_53_99
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: Femmy68
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? "Please report these comments; do not respond." Posted by: Beck
» Just read it as comedy, not to be taken seriously in the least! Posted by: xvictor
» RE: RIGHT HAND AT WORK Posted by: americansheep
» RE: IGHT HAND AT WORK Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Yep - and all his Brown-shirted clones, too. Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: munchkinpup
» RE: Is anybody else sick of Macarthur? Posted by: Malamute
» Good luck folks Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean
» RE: Good luck folks Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» RE: Former Adviser to Gen. Stanley McChrystal Calls for Moratorium on US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» YES! BINGO! Posted by: foreverhope
» Why not just remove the elephant carcass? Posted by: The Other Katherine Harris
» Officials have done that. Interestingly, no one is showing up. The point is to disrupt, not air Posted by: Beck
» RE: Officials have done that. Interestingly, no one is showing up. The point is to disrupt, not air Posted by: The Other Katherine Harris
» Amen to Beck! These idiots have nothing legitimate to say, they just don't want anyone Posted by: avidAmerican
» I guess 35 million or more uninsured and the CEO of Aetna earning $450,000 a week are worth Posted by: Beck
» Your Both Right and Wrong Posted by: bcainw
» RE: Your Both Right and Wrong Posted by: fred_53_99
» What do you expect Fred, when your fed this fear and hate on a daily basis like it is on here. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: What do you expect Fred, when your fed this fear; might be more credible to claim that without Posted by: Beck
» RE: What do you expect Fred, when your fed this fear; might be more credible to claim that without Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: credible manners??? Posted by: beijaflor
» RE: credible manners??? Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: credible manners??? Posted by: beijaflor
» RE: credible manners??? Posted by: maxpayne
» If its civil war, then all the people lose, if its a revolution where we are united, then we win. Posted by: CynicI
» But you don't unite with bizarre claims, like "obamacare kills old people" and lying that it's in Posted by: Beck
» Third Stage: We're In It Posted by: Lilly
» Sen. Grassley (nasty Grassley, I call him) as I watch the Senate and see him in Posted by: avidAmerican
» RE: Sen. Grassley (nasty Grassley, I call him) as I watch the Senate and see him in Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Nasty Grassley, I call him! LOL! He looks like a combination of Scrooge & the Grinch! n/t! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: but, Chuck Grassley has the solution! Posted by: Amy27605
» RE: Chuck Grassley has the solution! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Well, either that or he was telling the truth. Which is it? Posted by: CynicI
» *Sigh* Posted by: Femmy68
» RE: *Sigh* watch senator snake in the grassley Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» Its mandatory under this bill. It also says they can withhold ..... Posted by: CynicI
» You know, if you keep repeating that here, it sounds dumber each time. Posted by: Beck
» You and your clones are the ones sounding more fucked up the more you repeat yourselves. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: MAX!!! Posted by: beijaflor
» RE: MAX!!! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: MAX!!! Posted by: beijaflor
» RE: MAX!!! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: MAX!!! Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Prophit/Cynic... WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THESE LIES? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Prophit/Cynic... WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THESE LIES? Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Prophit/Cynic... WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THESE LIES? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Prophit/Cynic... WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THESE LIES? Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Prophit/Cynic... WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THESE LIES? Posted by: Quannah
» Fascism is for Government Posted by: snowhound
» RE: Fascism is for Government Posted by: maxpayne
» No Longer In doubt Posted by: When In Doubt
» Fascism is already in place in our Corporate Tyranny that has our government bought and paid for Posted by: mtcloud
» Indict Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» Cloud you are Spew your vile... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: “pray down the demonic strongholds of Buddhism and Hinduism” Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: “pray down the demonic strongholds of Buddhism and Hinduism” Posted by: EncinoM
» Oh, no, please, I have to cover my eyes so I don't read the "truth"...it means I will have to do... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Oh, no, please, I have to cover my eyes so I don't read the "truth"...it means I will have to do... Posted by: EncinoM
» No wonder the "Obama kills grandmas" poster puts quotes around "truth" and "honest" Posted by: Beck
» The fascists do not pose the real danger Posted by: sdz
» RE: The fascists do pose the real danger... Posted by: zigy
» Very well written, however, just one question... if we were so on the decline.... Posted by: CynicI
» Yes, yes you guys see the picture more clearly... Posted by: zigy
» Why can't Alternet Offer "Real" Investigative Media? Because They Aren't Posted by: mtcloud
» Have you not already been asked Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Why can't Alternet Offer "Real" Investigative Media? Because They Aren't Posted by: Gatsby
» RE: Why can't the stuffed shirts just shut up and go elsewhere? Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: What makes you feel worthy to determine weak intellects, poor education, or inexperience? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: What makes you feel worthy to determine weak intellects, poor education, or inexperience? Posted by: Gatsby
» RE: Why can't the stuffed shirts just shut up and go elsewhere? Posted by: Gatsby
» FRIEND! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: It's a left-wing editorial site Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» There is a danger and the Town Halls have shown it Posted by: Bob Horn
» First thing you have to do to be able to take the dominant position away from them... Posted by: CynicI
» Our soldiers are fighting and dying in wars started by Bush, and for what? They Posted by: avidAmerican
» RE: Our soldiers are fighting and dying in wars started by Bush, and for what? They Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» What sort of ignorance are you promoting? Posted by: Jbuuty
» Hahaha, I saw one town hall meeting where Obama was asked about a section.... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: What sort of ignorance are you promoting? Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» "First off, Bush didn't start the wars.." BULLSHIT!!!!!!! Posted by: xvictor
» WOW. Amazing! It happens again. Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» You were duped, so just speak for yourself Posted by: Beck
» RE: You were duped, so just speak for yourself Posted by: Jeremiahiii
» Don't take Beck seriously. He/she is just another rightwing Obama fundie getting more desperate. Posted by: maxpayne
» Yeah, Right. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Yeah, Right. I guess we should all move to maxielexbenn's dreamworld. Posted by: Beck
» Beck/Aimleft falling apart as more liberals, independents, and moderates leaving the Obama building. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Beck/Aimleft falling apart as more liberals, independents, and moderates leaving the Obama building. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Beck/Aimleft falling apart as more liberals, independents, and moderates leaving the Obama building. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Beck/Aimleft falling apart as more liberals, independents, and moderates leaving the Obama build Posted by: Beck
» Not all on here are unthinking, blindfaithed idol worshippers. Many on here... Posted by: CynicI
» The new american facisim Posted by: Jbuuty
» Well-thought out and a good read, but ignores the fact... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» You know the people you voted for, the ones getting a total of 1.2%? How'd THAT going for YOU? Posted by: Beck
» Poor Becky's getting very desperate with reality. Posted by: maxpayne
» Yes, the reality that your parties got 1.2 %. Oh, but you voted for Obama. Your party won. Posted by: Beck
» But Obama's making most of us leave his building. Posted by: maxpayne
» See? "Leave the Obama Building." He said it again~! Posted by: Aimleft
» Just as I predicted, the more they leave, the more you foam. Posted by: maxpayne
» Its getting worse, too. In the middle above, in about 10 posts of these Obama Idolators, I read.... Posted by: CynicI
» We prefer Obamanators. And you're commiserating with MAX about rudeness? Posted by: Beck
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» Leaving our troubles behind... Posted by: Matamillion
» RE: Leaving our troubles behind... Posted by: Jbuuty
» Hahaha, Hawkings is a millionaire, he can get whatever medical treatment he needs. How funny. Posted by: CynicI
» So only YOU know that Hawking lied about good treatment from NHS? How did YOU find out, pray tell? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Leaving our troubles behind... Posted by: Quannah
» Fighting illegal wars overseas didn't faze the FASCIST REICHWINGERS.... Posted by: xvictor
» I have family members, including a 22-year-old granddaughter over there and 2 nephews Posted by: avidAmerican
» Incoherence Posted by: Jbuuty
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» Ignorance Posted by: Jbuuty
» RE: I have family members, including a 22-year-old granddaughter over there and 2 nephews Posted by: djnoll
» And current fighting of illegal wars doesn't phase you???? Posted by: CynicI
» How about ending affirmative action? It's nothing but a curse to Posted by: maxpayne
» Another "nothing" comment from the Maxter. Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Another "nothing" comment from the Maxter. It's Max day. Where's lex, you ask? Posted by: Beck
» The Town Hall meetings should be cancelled, they are getting nowhere anyway Posted by: avidAmerican
» I agree with you on that. Politicians need to exercise PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Don't cancel, just keep anyone over the age of fifty out of them. Posted by: premarachel
» You are just as bad as the wingnuts Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: The Town Hall meetings should be cancelled, they are getting nowhere anyway Posted by: jmbarwell
» I hope you are correct. So far, I haven't seen much civility. But I gave Posted by: avidAmerican
» To Macarthur and company Posted by: desidid
» Your message would have more impact if you tapped the "enter" key twice every so often to make.. Posted by: grindermonkey
» RE: Your message would have more impact if you tapped the "enter" key twice every so often to make.. Posted by: desidid
» Hero and the truth Posted by: C. Rich
» Sad, But True Posted by: NoPCZone
» NONE OF THE ABOVE: FASCIST SINCE BLACK FRIDAY Posted by: ffrf.org
» Old farts at the health care meetings . . . Posted by: premarachel
» RE: Old farts at the health care meetings . . . Posted by: Amy27605
» RE: Old farts at the health care meetings . . . Posted by: desidid
» The Four Horsemen of the New American Apocalypse Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: The Four Horsemen of the New American Apocalypse Posted by: OakRaidFan1
» There Are Several References Here To Buying Guns and Ammunition and Revolution and Civil War Posted by: tony_opmoc
» Some of us know Tony... Posted by: zigy
» RE: There Are Several References Here To Buying Guns and Ammunition and Revolution and Civil War Posted by: songbird1268
» Lefties like your beloved Slick Willie Clinton can be fascists too! He has blood on his hands.... Posted by: JohnTruth2001
» And your point is? Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: And your point is? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Lefties like your beloved Slick Willie Clinton can be fascists too! He has blood on his hands.... Posted by: glennr
» Thanks for this empowering playbook! Posted by: scajomar
» Sara Robinson...my hero Posted by: AnIndependentThinker
» Half Breed. Posted by: melpol
» an encouraging article Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: an encouraging article Posted by: keyboardtek
» RE: an encouraging article Posted by: AnIndependentThinker
» bullies beget bullies Posted by: zooeyhall
» zooeyhall, thank you for being a farmer Posted by: JLPearson
» BA Posted by: mnstra
» This and that Posted by: willymack
» RE: This and that Posted by: Quannah
» Fascism, Richstag Fire, 9/11 Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Fascism, Richstag Fire, 9/11 Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Fascism, Richstag Fire, 9/11 Posted by: EncinoM
» "Everybody look what's going down" wrote someone here . . . Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» Sarah conceals the dynamic that drives Fascism ...yet again Posted by: ghost in the machine
» You don't find such an act to be tyrannical in any way? Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» oops, was supposed to be a reply n/t Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» Only way to fight this is To Prosecute Them every time they violate Federal Laws or Constitution Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO
» Right wing wackos are not the real threat. Posted by: zigy
» RE: ight wing wackos are not the real threat. Posted by: melpol
» RE: ight wing wackos are not the real threat. Posted by: Quannah
» I think its pretty lame Posted by: rokdevil
» Republicans are moblizing Duke and his ILK... Posted by: Bearzerker
» Always remove any semi-conscious people from these groups Posted by: PaulK
» Medicare....... Posted by: Ardeith
» Don't look now but Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Medicare works for you and TriCare works for me; both are government health plans Posted by: JLPearson
» Sara Robinson continues the naïveté! Posted by: Jill 2
» Hooray for the Late Responders! STOP RESPONDING TO THE TROLLS! Posted by: leighsure
» Outstanding analysis. They have been using "centrist" to cover up their partisan foulplay all along. Posted by: maxpayne
» Kudos to you, Ms. Bains! Posted by: zigy
» What in heck is a "Futurist?" Posted by: zorba1
» If only they would have... Posted by: phist
» RE: If only they would have... Posted by: maxpayne
» They can't read apparently Posted by: guns4everyone
» DERAILED TOPIC Posted by: Birdland
» Fascism has NEVER been defeated internally Posted by: rastaman
» Sounds like a cute article but racism isn't about blacks alone. Posted by: superfeduphoosier
» We have the deck stacked against us - this is one battle we need to fight Posted by: cori
» Eff Glen Beck,Eff the Repugs, and EFF the MSM! Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin
» Europeans get our and march in the streets and they get a better system Posted by: cori
» They have succeeded in depriving us of a good healthcaqrre system for decades Posted by: cori
» Its about time... Posted by: aapinko
» Sara's solution to dealing with Far Right Wingers? Lobbying the Democrats? What a joker! Posted by: logansafi
» RE: Sara's solution to dealing with Far Right Wingers? Lobbying the Democrats? What a joker! Posted by: logansafi
» tmginnova Posted by: tmginnova
» RE: tmginnova Posted by: logansafi
» HOLY SHIT, Posted by: sirios
» RE: HOLY SHIT, Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: HOLY SHIT, Posted by: lightwing1
» WATCH SICKO AND THEN YOU WILL KNOW WAT YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR Posted by: cori
» WOW! AWESOME! CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR MORE! THANKS! GOOD CATCH! N/T! Posted by: foreverhope
» Benwa Posted by: Benwa
» Let's add #8 - Recover the true meaning of the words liberal and progressive. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Let's add #8 - Recover the true meaning of the words liberal and progressive. Posted by: Mondale84
» RE: Let's add #8 - Recover the true meaning of the words liberal and progressive. Posted by: desidid
» A reasonable analysis Posted by: yesman
» I wished Walter Mondale had won in 1984. Posted by: Mondale84
» BIG BROTHER CENTRALIZED GOVT NAZIONALIZATION OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY "EXPOSED" !!!! Posted by: Mr.RIGHT
» Wow 550 comments so quickly. Posted by: dingham
» RE: Wow 550 comments so quickly. Posted by: bonapartist
» Oh goodie, another article with Fascism/Nazism in its title Posted by: bonapartist
» Commentary informed by outadated assumptions Posted by: leafsong1
» Only the fear of nationalization of wealth and of the guillotine for our aristocracy will intimidate Posted by: zigy
» Seven Ways We Can Fight Back Against the Rising Fascist Threat Posted by: wildcat
» The Libertarian Paradox Posted by: desidid
» Whew! ... Glad that we've got that all settled now. Nice work, all. Posted by: gazooks
» RE: Whew! ... Glad that we've got that all settled now. Nice work, all. Posted by: foreverhope
» Fascism and how to fight it Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it (part 4) Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it - part 5 Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it part 7 Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it -part 7 Posted by: arala
» RE: Fascism and how to fight it Posted by: arala
» Re: ...leave the heavy lifting and rough enforcement to the cops Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» It has not just started...it is only more visible due to threats from Obama Posted by: teachertun
» Mind Control is the Fascist Agenda Posted by: femtobeam
» The Top 16 ways that the Alternet feeds you Corporate Indoctrination & Propaganda vs. Education Posted by: mtcloud
» Gary Posted by: gbsadv
» A false premise explosion Posted by: reelman
» iPod Touch Video Converter Posted by: boay
» QUIZ: ITS A NATIONAL D_ _ _ _ _ _ _ Posted by: reelman
» Who are the real Fascist, Sara? Posted by: ChicagoWay
» DVD to Gphone Converter Posted by: boay
» Militant Terrorism Is Not "Fascism" Posted by: johnyradio
Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 13, 2009 4:39 PM   
Current rating: 2

Whatever they are, they ain't foolin' us smart indies out here. Your days of bullying on Alternet are coming to an end. I love dissent and debates any day. Bring on the issues.
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RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person.
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 13, 2009 5:41 PM   
Current rating: 4

You? Smart??? Don't make me laugh!

My days on AlterNet are far from over. If you think you're going to intimidate ME and stop me from posting here, you're a bigger fucking fool than I thought, and that's saying a mouthful!

You don't discuss issues. You do exactly what the idiots and morons at the Town Hall meetings do when they disrupt the discussion. You can't help but let your big mouth spew nonsense and bullshit.

You, max, are a pimple on the ass of AlterNet. You think yourself some big crusader, but you're a know-nothing, bigmouthed, unstable, woman-hating fucking blowhard with a completely unwarranted superiority complex.

Think twice about believing you can scare me, you human caricature of the Tasmanian Devil! (My apologies to REAL Tasmanian Devils!)

Fuck off.
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RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 13, 2009 6:41 PM   
Current rating: 3

I don't care how long you stay on this site. You can stay here for the rest of your life. Now, you shut your trap and learn to debate the issues or prepare to be whacked at by more people coming. You can't stop dissent. I ain't fucking off anytime soon. I've been here since 2005 battling the Republicans and fake leftists while you were in your diapers. I don't mind making friends or enemies. Keep blowing off like a turd. You're the one losing control of yourself. I'll be happy to invite more dissenters as will plenty others. You don't own Alternet either. You don't even discuss issues on this site yourself and then you say I'm not? No wonder the Democratic Party is in the toilet. You and your aliases aren't fooling others either. You, Beck, Pelican Beak, LMNOP, etc ... "defending" foreverMISERABLE shows your corruption. Quit your lying. You think I'm a Republican? I love it that you don't know me as well as you think you do but that's ok. It's just a forum. So carry on sweetie. LOL !
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RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person.
Posted by: pelican beak on Aug 13, 2009 6:58 PM   
Current rating: 4

You don't debate people, max. You never have.

What people here have for you, is pity.

You are a spiritually-tortured servant of the devil, max.
And in your heart, you know that's true.
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RE: Quannah/Pelican Beak/LMNOP/Beck/Foreverhope/Guitarbill are really the same gang or person.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 13, 2009 7:21 PM   
Current rating: 2

You don't know me very well. You couldn't debate well yourself which is why you're running shit scared now that I tore down your rightwing gang. Say what you want about my debating skills. You're the one with a couple of pieces missing. Rest in pieces sucker !
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I'm a "right-winger", Max?"
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 14, 2009 8:29 AM   

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Max.

If you ever call me a right-winger again--you stupid son-of-a-bitch--I'll eat you alive.

Fuck with me again at you peril, @$$face.

Got it, @$$hole?
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THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 9/11 DENIERS. 

By Moira Birss, AlterNet. Posted August 22, 2009.
Obama, Ignoring Local Outrage, Set to Expand U.S. Military Presence in Colombia

2009-08-22









We're fringe right-wing lunatics? Projecting, Benn?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 22, 2009 3:52 PM   
Current rating: 3

That's your opinion, Benn.

And opinions are like @$$holes...

Never mind that we've always voted for the Democrats and are long time anti-fascists.

You're a typical wing-nut 'tard, Benn. You accuse others of that which you are guilty, which is a propaganda ploy straight out of Mein Kampf.

Sieg Heil, Benn.




THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 9/11 DENIERS.

THE ACE BAKER SUICIDE-UNCUT, starring Uncle Fetzer and Ace Baker. 


By Dave Zirin and Sherry Wolf, The Nation. Posted August 22, 2009.
Stop the Humiliating 'Sex-Testing' of Champion Runner Caster Semenya

2009-08-22

» Caster Semenya? She's not a problem. Let's test Ann "the man" Coulter. Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 22, 2009 12:16 AM
» Need I say more? Posted by: NWPragmatist
» Have you considered suing your brains for nonsupport? Posted by: GuitarBill
» FASCINATING: CIA Trolls Still Pushing Gov Version of 9/11 - They Must Be Getting Nervous Posted by: Nuuon
» The 911 denier movement is dead. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nattering nabobs and nincompoops for 911 TOOTH. The history of 911 TOOTH. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: FASCINATING: CIA Trolls Still Pushing Gov Version of 9/11 - They Must Be Getting Nervous Posted by: rickiey
» RE: GuitarBill=Israeli Shill Posted by: bcgirl125 on Aug 22, 2009 2:38 PM
» bcgirl125=Al Qeada Shill Posted by: GuitarBill
» Stay on topic Posted by: LaurelAnn
» Excuse me, @$$. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Excuse me - Huh? Posted by: LaurelAnn
» Since when is the tag line the subject? Posted by: GuitarBill
Caster Semenya? She's not a problem. Let's test Ann "the man" Coulter.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 22, 2009 12:16 AM   
Current rating: 2

Photographic Source: Ann "the man" Coulter flashes some Adam's Apple.

Need I say more?




THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 9/11 DENIERS.

THE ACE BAKER SUICIDE-UNCUT, staring Uncle Fetzer and Ace Baker.
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RE: GuitarBill=Israeli Shill
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Aug 22, 2009 2:38 PM   
Current rating: 3

How much does the government of Israhell pay you to plaster your crap all over this forum? Get lost, troll!
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By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted September 9, 2009.
Action Editorial: Why the Secret Service and FBI Must Investigate Threats Against Obama and Beef Up Security to Protect Him

2009-09-09

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» MOD Converter Posted by: flaeir
» RE: Will Everyone Please start reporting at least one of these spammers Posted by: desidid
» RE: Will Everyone Please start reporting at least one of these spammers Posted by: Joni50
» What put him at WH will be his Posted by: trusetufree
» As long as Obama stands for the corporate/military interests, SS and FBI will protect him. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: You are very niave, Jennifer Posted by: Ellie1
» RE: You are very niave, Jennifer Posted by: kathrinka
» Don't worry, Kathrinka, your safe, Beck will protect you. Posted by: CynicI
» "...PROPOGANDA, DISINFORMATION, AND PROVOCATEURING"? That's your middle-name, "prophit(0)". Posted by: GuitarBill
» Care to be reasonable? Guess not. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Care to pull your head out of your backside? Guess not. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Lame response but no surprise. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Making excuses for "prophit(0)'s" lies and deception? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ahoy Guiterbullshit ! Having some trouble with the ladies there? LOL ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» That's all you have intellectual midget, cheap stupid ad hominem attacks? Posted by: GuitarBill
» As if you don't right? Speak for yourself. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Thanks Lex. GB is nothing but a macho-egotistical fluff brain like Johnny Bravo ! LOL ! :) Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» I can out think you on a bad day, Nader Republican. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oh KISS MY ASS ! LOL ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» No thanks. You never wash it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Not a problem. Glad I could help. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Don't worry, Kathrinka, your safe, Beck will protect you. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Yes, I know they work, that is why the bankers and their minions use them all the time. Posted by: CynicI
» What a crock! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You are very niave, Jennifer Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Boy, I will second that one, Jennifer. Obama is so well protected its not funny. Posted by: CynicI
» Jennifer is anything but niave. She's an evil, scum-sucking Nader Republican. Posted by: GuitarBill
» If Nader is a "Republican", then so is Obama. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» That's right, change the subject. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The more Obama flubs the dub, the prouder I am for voting for Nader thrice. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» "petty"? Shove it, Nader Republican. DEBUNK the information I provide--you fool. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ahoy Guiterbullshit ! Having some trouble with the ladies there? LOL ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» That's all you have degenerate, cheap, stupid ad hominem attacks? Posted by: GuitarBill
» No, you are acting like a loser with your own irrational attacks. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Lying again, MaxPayne? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You weren't replying to me, idiot. Posted by: maxpayne
» Yes I was, MaxLexJen, etc. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nice try GB but I understand some of you confuse others. Posted by: maxpayne
» I've had my suspicions about you for months, MaxLexJen Posted by: GuitarBill
» You never had any suspicions. You're just copying someone else's false claim. Posted by: maxpayne
» Sure MaxLexJen. Is that why all 3 of you have the same writing style and opinions? Posted by: GuitarBill
» They don't have the same writing style or ideas. Posted by: ST5895
» Yes, they do. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I don't see them lying. They may be wrong but they don't appear to be lying. Posted by: ST5895
» Really? It's "progressive" to falsely accuse the president of advocating "death panels"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: eally? It's "progressive" to falsely accuse the president of advocating "death panels"? Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Okay, you got me on a minor typo that time, MaxLexJen, but why don't you answer the question, twit? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You don't know who you're talking to. Get a life. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» That's right, MaxLexJen, change the subject and by all means don't answer my question. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» Its what happens when he only has use of one hemisphere of his brain..... Posted by: CynicI
» Yeah, but at least I know the difference between your and you're %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB used to act sort of reasonable but has regressed over the months it seems. Posted by: maxpayne
» You falsely accuse the president of advocating "death panels" and I'm unreasonable? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Lex, pay no attention to Guitar Bill. He has a mental problem and God is punishing him. Posted by: maxpayne
» God is punishing me? Really? No kidding? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You are doin' a heckuva job mixing up people's names. Posted by: maxpayne
» And you do a Hell of a job of managing all those AlterNet accounts. Posted by: GuitarBill
» As usual, Guitarbill makes baseless claims. Posted by: maxpayne
» Like I said, MaxLexJen, I've had suspicions about you for months. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Nice try. If you had suspicion for months, you would have indicated then. Posted by: maxpayne
» Wrong again, MaxLexJen. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your lumping of people together as the same person is sophomoric at best. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» And isn't it strange that once "MaxPayne" stops posting that his alternative personality's show up? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Typical slander from Guitarbill just like foreverhope. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» How do you know when "maxpayne" stops posting? Are you "maxpayne" ? Posted by: dmwsd92
» Time stamps, genius Posted by: GuitarBill
» Flawed logic used to make false accusations. By GB's own logic, Posted by: maxpayne
» Time stamps don't prove that they're the same person. Posted by: dmwsd92
» Mind your business, know-nothing straw man spewing fool. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Funny you have to react like that when you're proven wrong on your assumptions. Posted by: dmwsd92
» RE: Your lumping of people together as the same person is sophomoric at best. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your lumping of people together as the same person is sophomoric at best. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your lumping of people together as the same person is sophomoric at best. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your lumping of people together as the same person is sophomoric at best. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: desidid
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: desidid
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Oh No You Didn't Posted by: desidid
» RE: Oh No You Didn't Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: desidid
» RE: Your Lack of Integrity Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: You are doin' a heckuva job mixing up people's names. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: You are doin' a heckuva job mixing up people's names. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: You are doin' a heckuva job mixing up people's names. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: You are doin' a heckuva job mixing up people's names. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: MaxBridges
» MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: MaxBridges, exactly. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Do unto others, Quannah, and grow up as well Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: "petty"? Shove it, Nader Republican. DEBUNK the information I provide--you fool. Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Let Me Get This Straight Posted by: desidid
» Obama's no JFK. Hell, he's no liberal or progressive. I vote on issues, not party. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» No, you feign support for Nader, but when you walk into a voting booth you vote Republican. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your macho crap talk gives me the laughs. Obamabots ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» What's the matter, Jen? Worried because I have your MO dialed? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your macho talk doesn't bite me. Poor you. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Stupid Nader Republican doesn't know how our system of government functions. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Stupid Nader Republican doesn't know how our system of government functions. Posted by: cmaciain
» BS. HRH676 is dead because your right-wing Congress won't touch it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: BS. HRH676 is dead because your right-wing Congress won't touch it. Posted by: cmaciain
» GB knows that Obama stifled HR676 but is going cuckoo over it. Posted by: maxpayne
» Why would president Obama kill a bill that 95% of the Congress rejects? Posted by: GuitarBill
» 95% of Congress rejects single payer? Not that high. Posted by: maxpayne
» Oh really? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Oh really? Posted by: maxpayne
» Dozens? Really? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Dozens? Really? Posted by: maxpayne
» I asked you, MaxLexJen, because I know you're lying. And your non-response proves it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Did foreverhope train you to pretend being a psychic ? Posted by: Lex Thomas
» No, I just know a liar when I read one. Posted by: GuitarBill
» You wish. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» I know you, MaxLexJen, like the back of my hand. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: What A Dillweed You Are Posted by: desidid
» RE: What A Dillweed You Are Posted by: Lex Thomas
» And you have held Obama accountable "HOW?" Just curious... Posted by: CynicI
» Actually, he isn't a party shill, he works for the neocons and israeli's...as a professional troll. Posted by: CynicI
» No, I'm a computer security expert. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ellie, you need to quit listening to the banker controlled opposition press.... Posted by: CynicI
» Thank you ! I wish people would look past the media and get their groove in line. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: The Saddest Thing About You Posted by: desidid
» RE: The Saddest Thing About You Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Yeah, you should listen to the banker-controlled conspiranoid press instead. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ahoy Guiterbullshit ! Having some trouble with the ladies there? LOL ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Save your breath, dirt-bag, you'll need it to blow up your date. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I don't blow my dates. I kiss them and have sex with them out of love. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Don't bother, he won't have a clue what your talking about...LOL Posted by: CynicI
» Tell us about it, spinster. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Do you have to engage in name-calling to make a point? Posted by: ST5895
» Since when is spinster a foul word? Posted by: GuitarBill
» GB does this to everyone. He can't be reasoned with. Posted by: maxpayne
» Why reason with a liar? That seems pointless to me. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Sure You Do Lars, I Mean Posted by: desidid
» Wrong again Posted by: brunowe
» For not listening to rightwing radio and TV? I've moved beyond that. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Actually, Jennifer, they can't make up their minds how many threats he gets. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Actually, Jennifer, they can't make up their minds how many threats he gets. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Actually, Jennifer, they can't make up their minds how many threats he gets. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: As long as Obama stands for the corporate/military interests, SS and FBI will protect him. Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: As long as Obama stands for the corporate/military interests, SS and FBI will protect him. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Your right, that is why this is just another fear scam to work up the faithful and its working..... Posted by: CynicI
» Speaking of feeding the fear boogey man. What are you doing when you lie about "death panels"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Isn't defunding medicare to pay for this bullshit not death panels? Posted by: maxpayne
» Logic isn't your strong suit, is it, MaxLexJen? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Neither is yours. Posted by: maxpayne
» Try again, MaxLexJen. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hey baby billy, your mommy and daddy are calling you? Posted by: Lex Thomas
» I'm up for at least another three hours, MaxLexJen Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who? Posted by: Lex Thomas
» You! Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 PM  
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 9, 2009 10:22 PM   
» Right, Mr. Fact-Free BS. And your mother shaves her face with a Gillette Mach 3 Razor. Posted by: GuitarBill
» What's your point anyway? Posted by: dmwsd92
» RE: I'm up for at least another three hours, MaxLexJen Posted by: desidid
» RE: I'm up for at least another three hours, MaxLexJen Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Anyone doubt who the rightwingers are? an article on Obama death threats, and look at what Posted by: Beck
» Nice try Beck but it's Obamabots like you who will be the cause of Obama's demise. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Lying again, Jennifer? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Wow, good call, I didn't notice she didn't show up to support Jones... I did. Posted by: CynicI
» Excellent! You nailed the stealth right-wing frauds to the wall Posted by: GuitarBill
» Wow, you sound as crazy as "shill". Maybe we got a new love connection here, now that forever... Posted by: CynicI
» There you go again with your "death panel" BS. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah Posted by: maxpayne
» CIA, Secret Service, Military, NSA Posted by: Cybershaman
» The military's helping him quite well Posted by: james108
» Now that is a proven fact. Good call. He is the one who kept Bush/cheney's military team in tact. Posted by: CynicI
» W/out 9/11 there would be no Posted by: weathered
» Yeah and they even bragged about it back on Sept 11, 1990.... Posted by: CynicI
» Is this sarcasm or are you really buying this pulp they are pumping??? Posted by: CynicI
» Lying again, degenerate? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Panic about PNAC and your inefficient quote-mining and poor reading comprehension Posted by: MaxBridges
» Supporting quote-mining quotations with source Posted by: MaxBridges
» You haven't proven anything. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I've proven your reading comprehension sucks Posted by: MaxBridges
» So, you finally admit that your BS is pure speculation. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I've proven your reading comprehension sucks Posted by: Belisarius6
» So, what's it going to be, liar? (Or perhaps a better title is "Avoid this, punk.") Posted by: GuitarBill
» Guitarbill is losing to Belisarius6 but can't handle the truth. Posted by: maxpayne
» Yeah, I'm "losing". And that explains why they won't answer my questions. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 911 deniers are just as intellectually bankrupt as the Bushit administration. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well Answered MaxBridges Posted by: Belisarius6
» More BS, liar? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I gave you a link back to the entire PNAC document, liar. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hey, it took your handlers a while to get that to ya, huh "shill"??? Posted by: CynicI
» Lying again--you anti-Semitic, terrorist apologizing, anti-American piece of offal? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Is this sarcasm or are you really buying this pulp they are pumping??? Posted by: Cybershaman
» Damn good answer, Cybershaman...really. Add some things to it... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: CIA, Secret Service, Military, NSA Posted by: McGovern72!
» dipconsult Posted by: dipconsult
» A favor please, list all the elements of "striving" he has done... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: A favor please, No more final exams, please. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: desidid
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Oh, that was my favorite, when Obama said "make me do it".... I wrote to him... Posted by: CynicI
» I got banned from Obama's White House website for raising concerns about his Posted by: maxpayne
» That confirms that Obama is and will remain perfectly safe and sound. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE:I Seriously Doubt That Is Why You Were Banned Posted by: desidid
» RE: You Should Get Help For Those Voices You Hear Posted by: desidid
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: ND Native
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: Lilly
» RE: Oh please ! Stop your lame defending of Obama and grow up ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Anna, go back and look, I bet you $20 that I have posted more links.... Posted by: CynicI
» Sweet Jeeezuuus! You lie like a rug--you terrorist apologizing piece of offal, "prophit(0)"! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: dipconsult Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: dipconsult Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Prince Royal is in danger, forget the bailout lies, rally around the flag! Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: Prince Royal is in danger, forget the bailout lies, rally around the flag! Posted by: Joni50
» You said "Why aren't these threats investigated now"..... Posted by: CynicI
» wow, an epiphany just occurred.... thanks Bonapartist....We DO NOT TRUST ANYONE.... Posted by: CynicI
» Please report SPAM Posted by: Joni50
» RE: Please report SPAM Posted by: Belisarius6
» Real Trouble Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Real Trouble Posted by: djnoll
» RE: Real Trouble Posted by: Belisarius6
» If he is assassinated, then we best immediately get crime scene secured, evidence tracked etc... Posted by: CynicI
» whip it into shape Posted by: snotnosedkid
» RE: whip it into shape Posted by: Belisarius6
» Hey, pretty good thinking for a "snot nosed kid".... lol Posted by: CynicI
» lax enforcement Posted by: rocketdogmom
» RE: lax enforcement Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Its been ok for about 250 years now, Anna. Posted by: CynicI
» Hahaa, after he resigned I sent him a telegram thanking him for my birthday present.... Posted by: CynicI
» Terrorist in Camo Ball Caps, carrying a Bible Posted by: Purple Girl
» Thank god most people on here are using their heads instead of their fear and hate. Posted by: CynicI
» Consider this Posted by: joebanana
» Congratulations Posted by: james108
» the minister Posted by: lindalee
» We cannot allow funding Posted by: teon6
Guitarbill = Beck = Quannah
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 9, 2009 10:22 PM   
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By Adele M. Stan, AlterNet. Posted September 10, 2009.
This Was the Obama We've Been Waiting for

2009-09-10

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» So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: truthwins
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: KRC
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: Annarisse
» There's the speech, and then there's the bill...they don't agree Posted by: rickiey
» News flash: illegal aliens are human beings Posted by: bthespoon
» RE: News flash: illegal aliens are human beings!! Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: your racist racist, prejudiced dogma gets old Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: your racist racist, prejudiced dogma gets [mythmorph is saying nothing of the sort. Posted by: Squarehead
» News flash: The POINT is that Wilson was right, Obama WAS lying Posted by: rickiey
» The POINT is that Obama would publicly dismiss human beings Posted by: bthespoon
» Xenophobia and Lying - They Never Die Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Xenophobia and Lying - They Never Die Posted by: kathrinka
» RE: There's the speech, and then there are still idiots. Posted by: mythmorph
» RE: There's the speech, and then there are still idiots. Posted by: rickiey
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: Belisarius6
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: rickiey
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: Democritus
» RE: Well, you do NOT have it right. Posted by: mythmorph
» I'll add to the comment that of course you don't have it right Posted by: Beck
» You sure don't have it right Posted by: justAnEgg
» Ignore these right-wing trolls; they just repeat old lies Posted by: Moonray
» Lets be clear... Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: Regressivelife The Only Thing Clear Posted by: desidid
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: edieb
» You have nothing right! Posted by: djnoll
» According to what Obama suggested as "his" plan, Posted by: bthespoon
» RE: You have nothing right! Posted by: edieb
» OP has a point to an extent Posted by: bonapartist
» Fundamental misunderstanding of healthcare economics Posted by: Defenestrator
» RE: It was $900 Billion not trillion so you were wrong Posted by: Changling
» $900 Billion cost SAVES $1.5 TRILLION Posted by: bthespoon
» Obama not only lacks a valid birth certificate but a valid plan for health care reform ! Posted by: Chris Kaufmann
» this commentor is an arrogant freak... Bush never owned the torte reform debate either... FREAK! Posted by: Bearzerker
» RE: So let me make sure I have this right Posted by: jaglover
» I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: weslen1
» The Left has truth on their side ? LMAO Posted by: Lara1967
» Raging Hysteria Posted by: Aimleft
» Oh Please ! Wake up ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Raging Mispelled Hysteria full of grammar problems and bad punctuation that nonetheless manages Posted by: Beck
» Don't worry Beck. Your "winning" Party is about to enter the LOSERS' ZONE ! Posted by: maxpayne
» For a winning party your guys are rather spineless Posted by: bonapartist
» Thank you ! There is no real Left or Right, just two sides of the sellout coin. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» The founding fathers wouldnt have approved any of this BS Posted by: wbblack
» Yeah, good point and here is proof they run Obama and who he can hire... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: The Left has truth on their side ? LMAO Posted by: batteredup
» RE: The Left has truth on their side ? [Strictly speaking, the Nazis and the Zionists were close Posted by: Squarehead
» Its easy, you have to be born to it. You also have to take the time to study.... Posted by: CynicI
» You don't know the definition of "Left" Posted by: Defenestrator
» RE:To weslen1, all this disrespect you note just goes to show... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» He won because he had 6 CFR advisors and the bulk of Wall Street funding.... Posted by: CynicI
» CynicI don't you have an appointment... Posted by: EncinoM
» Well, if it isn't the contract killer mercenary and CEO of an insurance com.... Posted by: CynicI
» "He won because he had 6 CFR advisors."? What about the people who voted for him? Don't we count? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: President Emanuel now rules America - A traitor to US CONSTITUTION Posted by: Lara1967
» RE: President Emanuel now rules America - A traitor to US CONSTITUTION Posted by: Aimleft
» Gee Aimleft, still defending a rightwing shill disguised as a "Democrat" again? Posted by: maxpayne
» Gee MaxLexJen, still spewing Nader Republican propaganda and defending disgusting anti-Semites? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Gee AimGuitarBeck, still trying to play cover for Obama again? Posted by: maxpayne
» Yeah MaxLexJen, we know what a hard-on you stealth Republicans have for anti-Semitism Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 10, 2009 8:06 AM   
» And so the unimaginable happens. Guitarbill back on trolling street. Posted by: Benn_Miller on Sep 10, 2009 10:13 AM   
» Very good question, Guitar "Shill" lets see if they do...... Posted by: CynicI
» Your source is WorldNetDaily, a right-wing nutter Website. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Oh No! Where'd our GuitarBill Troll go! Posted by: MaxBridges
» MaxBridges is an Posted by: EncinoM
» Cool! %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: MaxBridges is an Posted by: Lex Thomas
» EncinoM = GuitarBill? Who's gonna deny it first, if at all? Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: ncinoM = GuitarBill? Who's gonna deny it first, if at all? Posted by: EncinoM
» I've answered your hypothetical, now you answer mine. Posted by: MaxBridges
» I've answered your question dozens of times--your lies to the contrary not withstanding--idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hohohoho, oh, maxbridges that was beautiful......busted.... Posted by: CynicI
» What do EncinoM and GuitarBill have in common? Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: What do EncinoM and GuitarBill have in common? [they both give acceptably sound, science-based, Posted by: Squarehead
» acceptably sounding, but only science-based in the blinding sort of way Posted by: MaxBridges
» Look! It's Max, the 911 "no planer" lunatic. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Look! It's Max, the 911 "no planer" lunatic. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Projecting again, MaxLexJen? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Oh No! Where'd our GuitarBill Troll go! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» "MaxLexJen" sounds like the title of one of those "movies" they make down in San Fernando Valley CA Posted by: GuitarBill
» Those weren't your only choices... McKinney ran, so quit using that lame excuse. Posted by: CynicI
» I think you should change that: Rahm Emmanual, President of the US of Israel. Posted by: CynicI
» Hold it "prophit(0)", just a sec... Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: beachcomberT
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Doesn't anyone get it yet??? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MILLION OF NEGLECTED PEOPLE. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: ElRoi
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: maxpayne
» Excellent post, mmckinl! I would add the preposterous reason given for keeping the status quo: Posted by: Paul_C
» Good Post - It Drove Me Crazy When Posted by: Jim Shaw
» RE: Excellent post, mmckinl! Posted by: bonapartist
» Good point and don't forget he has increased military & intel outsourcing beyond bushy! Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Good point and don't forget he has increased military & intel outsourcing beyond bushy! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» NO tears, GET MAD, that is the first step in healing and shedding .... Posted by: CynicI
» I've gotten over the tears part. I'm working on getting the anger focused on the correct targets. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Hey, I said it, but now its for real, why not Dennis in 2012 with McKinney as VP??? Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Hey, I said it, but now its for real, why not Dennis in 2012 with McKinney as VP??? Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» KUCINICH INTERVIEW ... A MUST SEE ... Posted by: mmckinl
» Ya know, he aint pretty or a sweet talking man, but God he is great.... Posted by: CynicI
» I feel in love at first read... Posted by: zigy
» RE: I Think David Sirota's Article is Closer to the Truth ... Posted by: desidid
» Just What We Need Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy
» RE: Just What We Need Posted by: mmckinl
» When he quoted Bush (without accreditation) and blamed torture on "a few bad apples" he lost me. Posted by: UnEasyOne
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» Was that Posted by: Fred Flintstone
» RE: Was that ... Let's not forget the Baucus Rectum ... Posted by: mmckinl
» LOL ! So true. Thank you ! :) Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Tell ya what. When we're ready to fight elephants with pea shooters, repair bridges with duct tape, Posted by: Beck
» Bad things are happening to the Democratic Party ! Bad OMEN Becky ! Posted by: maxpayne
» I retired at 45 Posted by: Fred Flintstone
» And I am actually Albert II, King of the Belgians Posted by: bonapartist
» No time to reply... Posted by: Fred Flintstone
» So simple, even a caveman can do it Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» Naw - you work for Mr. Slate at the quarry. Everybody knows that. Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» No, the bankers stole it with their shorting our pension funds... thanks for asking... Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Yabba Dabba Do Posted by: desidid
» Oh, so you are a right winger after all... I just thought you were an obamabot... Posted by: CynicI
» Beck confessed to being a Sarah Palin supporter. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Oh, wow what an eye opener that is...... thanks Benn Posted by: CynicI
» RE: You don't give Obama the credit he deserves Posted by: Changling
» Great oratory ...shame about the reality!! Posted by: ghost in the machine
» RE: Great oratory ...shame about the reality!! Posted by: Phr2
» RE: Great oratory ...shame about the reality!! Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Great oratory ...shame about the reality!! Posted by: ghost in the machine
» I'm afraid you've gotten lost Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: I'm afraid you've gotten lost Posted by: ghost in the machine
» RE: I'm afraid you've gotten lost Posted by: photon's feather
» Hey, who the heck actually RATED this? Posted by: photon's feather
» If you cannot afford government-mandated insurance, you'll be subsidized. Posted by: mjabele
» Britain's NHS has probably been corrupted by the Worshipful Company of Management Consultants Posted by: Suzon
» RE: If you cannot afford government-mandated insurance, you'll be subsidized. Posted by: photon's feather
» You pretty much admit that you know nothing about the administrative costs of the German system... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: You've admitted that you don't know how... Posted by: photon's feather
» In my first post, I mentioned all three countries... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: In my first post, I mentioned all three countries... Posted by: photon's feather
» Wrong on more than a few counts... Posted by: mjabele
» Another mind-reader ! Posted by: photon's feather
» And YOU, I suspect, are someone who simply makes up stuff... Posted by: mjabele
» Wrong on more than a few counts... Posted by: mjabele
» Yeah, who asked her anyway... she has no place in this game. Posted by: CynicI
» I admit, mandatory private insurance not the solution Posted by: Phr2
» RE: Great oratory ...shame about the reality!! Posted by: ghost in the machine
» Your right, I can feel their lesson coming down the pike pretty soon..... Posted by: CynicI
» Obama & the Two-Wings of the Corporate Party Posted by: mcartri
» Yes, a shame. Whatever you do, though, don't take your own advice Posted by: Beck
» I didn't even rate you and your pathetic attempt at something intelligent flopped so bad.... Posted by: CynicI
» Your so right and there is a forum on this site about that exactly.... derivatives on dying seniors. Posted by: CynicI
» On mandates and the public option: Kucinich says Kill HR 3200 Posted by: photon's feather
» I don't blame Kucinich for wanting to do so. He knows that even some conservatives support SP. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: I don't blame Kucinich for wanting to do so. He knows that even some conservatives support SP. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: I don't blame Kucinich for wanting to do so. He knows that even some conservatives support SP. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» That is my experience with repubs (main stream moderates) as well. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: That is my experience with repubs (main stream moderates) as well. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: On mandates and the public option: Kucinich says Kill HR 3200 Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: On mandates and the public option: Kucinich says Kill HR 3200 Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: A good idea Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: A good idea Posted by: photon's feather
» Apologies... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: If you are using a PC... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» Thanks! Posted by: photon's feather
» All this talk is a total waste of time... Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: All this talk is a total waste of time... Posted by: uncertain
» Hey, man, what else are you doing??? Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: All this talk is a total waste of time... Posted by: ghost in the machine
» Thanks Ghost...so many "progressives" here just WON'T LISTEN -- they have been programmed!!! Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Thanks Ghost...so many "progressives" here just WON'T LISTEN -- they have been programmed!!! Posted by: maxpayne
» Yeah, but screw "socialism" Posted by: grim ripper
» Reaper -- I understand where you are coming from... Posted by: mattnrva
» Ripper -- I understand where you are coming from... Posted by: grim ripper
» Ripper -- sorry I got your name wrong!!! Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Yeah, but screw "socialism" Posted by: Birdland
» RE: mattnrva: While I agree with all your basic premises... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» We need charismatic leaders all over the country... Posted by: mattnrva
» No doubt you haven't had a job in quite awhile... not to worry! Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» Gabba -- I work at this plan EVERY DAY!! Posted by: mattnrva
» So what are your thoughts about, you know - THE HEALTH CARE BILLS? Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: So what are your thoughts about, you know - THE HEALTH CARE BILLS? Posted by: mattnrva
» Too callous for me Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: Too callous for me Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Too callous for me too Posted by: MplsVala
» Less callous than Obama's health (insurance company) care Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: My true beliefs... Posted by: mattnrva
» No "what if" there- Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: No "what if" there- Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: No "what if" there- Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: No "what if" there- Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: All this talk is a total waste of time... Posted by: peacefullaim1
» They would just import a bunch of illegal immigrants to replace you Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: They would just import a bunch of illegal immigrants to replace you Posted by: mattnrva
» You have a lot of faith in other people doing your work for you! Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: You have a lot of faith in other people doing your work for you! Posted by: photon's feather
» "anyone who voted for any candidate I didn't is PROGRAMMED!! Programmed, I tell you!" Posted by: Beck
» RE: "anyone who voted for any candidate I didn't is PROGRAMMED!! Programmed, I tell you!" Posted by: cmaciain
» AMEN to that, cmaciain!!!! Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: AMEN to that, cmaciain!!!! Uh, your subject line sounds just a TAD Posted by: Beck
» Lost in space aren't we? Posted by: superfeduphoosier
» Good idea, but a guy had another one... How about "death derivatives" for the bankers instead of ... Posted by: CynicI
» this is the article the Obama haters have been waiting for Posted by: Suzon
» Universal "education" Posted by: Fred Flintstone
» okay, the correctives are deserved, Fred Posted by: Suzon
» Rome was a brutal empire built by slaves Posted by: chlamor
» "If it's not immediate and perfect, it's not even good! ALL huge problems are instantly reparable!" Posted by: Beck
» Whatever Obama says Beck the dumb dog will dance to ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Whatever Obama says MaxPayne the dumb dog will bark at Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Whatever Obama says EncinoM the dumb dog will go for. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Whatever Obama says EncinoM the dumb dog will go for. Posted by: EncinoM
» Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien - Voltaire Posted by: photon's feather
» Too little, too late Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: this is the article the Obama haters have been waiting for Posted by: Augustus_818
» RE: this is the article the Obama haters have been waiting for Posted by: photon's feather
» Suzon, you brits have made a royal mess of your country already..... please don't come here and do.. Posted by: CynicI
» RE: Buy steroids Posted by: Lilly
» RE: The Buy Steroids Guy strikes again... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» Don't give SPAMMERS the time of day - they are a PLAGUE and must not be rewarded with your business. Posted by: Paul_C
» Yes, about that public option Posted by: Democritus
» Because the insurance companies are just one industry that has made them very wealthy Posted by: avidAmerican
» Don't forget the republicrats! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: Yes, about that public option Posted by: ChicagoWay
» RE: Yes, about that public option Posted by: photon's feather
» Senator Bacus is not a republican and he is against single payer, so what are you talking about??? Posted by: CynicI
» Health care is an issue because the system as a''whole ''has failed Posted by: ghost in the machine
» Talk & "analysis" is worthless -- I agree ALL THE WAY Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Health care is an issue because the system as a''whole ''has failed Posted by: Tim Chadron
» RE: Health care is an issue because the system as a''whole ''has failed Posted by: ghost in the machine
» Then why are you here wasting time? Amazing to read the words of navel-starers bugged at their own Posted by: Beck
» Hey Beck, Creigh Deeds and Jon Corzine need your "help". Posted by: maxpayne
» Jon Corzine needs Jon Corzine's help dude. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Even I liked him.. Posted by: progressive-life
» "illegals will be able to purchase insurance" Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: "illegals will be able to purchase insurance" Posted by: progressive-life
» The whole system is fucked -- believe that... Posted by: mattnrva
» And yet you see yourself as coming off clearsighted. Posted by: Beck
» RE: And yet you see yourself as coming off clearsighted. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: That's what happens when centrists imagine that they.... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» RE: What A Crock Of Shit Posted by: desidid
» President healthcare companies have been waiting for!!! Posted by: jejer
» Too little, too bad Posted by: sawdust
» You're also in la la land Posted by: avidAmerican
» No, he's using a titanium walker across a styrofoam glacier to hop on his platinum jetski and thumb Posted by: Beck
» A pipe dream Posted by: warrior woman
» RE: A pipe dream Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» THIS ISN'T REFORM, IT'S ROBBERY ! Posted by: TFYQA
» Powerful post! Awesome facts! n/m Posted by: Paul_C
» RE: THIS ISN'T REFORM, IT'S ROBBERY ! Only one small correction... Posted by: djnoll
» Condescending post! Superior attitude! Posted by: Beck
» RE: Condescending post! Superior attitude! Whose, yours Beck? Posted by: Changling
» Single Payer is the answer Posted by: Erin
» RE: Single Payer is the answer Posted by: Augustus_818
» I am not surprised at Obama's ROTTEN speech. No room for any good universal health care ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» "This was the Bam Bam "we" have been waiting for?" Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» No, he's a socialist who is too far left and his liberalism is destroying us. I read it here, right Posted by: Beck
» A corporate socialist that is. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: No, he's a corporate socialist even as he is falsely vilified as a human socialist Posted by: Changling
» The change he campaigned on was not a turn to progressive politics Posted by: suprmark
» VICTORY CLEARLY IN SIGHT Posted by: drricklippin
» RE: VICTORY for health insurance companies, Big Pharma... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» You are celebrating the victory of the insurance industry Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: You are celebrating the victory of the ins industry-NOT Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: You are celebrating the victory of the ins industry-NOT Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: VICTORY CLEARLY IN SIGHT Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: So soon the Govt. can force us to buy insurance? Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Democrats in Congress - make it happen! Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: Democrats in Congress - make it happen! Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Democrats in Congress, Move left - to single-payer! Posted by: photon's feather
» What the Hell are you talking about? Posted by: leafsong1
» Well come on. If people like you have already given up... Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: Well come on. If people like you have already given up... Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Well come on. If people like you have already given up... Posted by: photon's feather
» No one should give up on the public option... Posted by: photon's feather
» You need more than watching Schoolhouse Rock to understand the process Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Republicans will inherit the bill Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» I hope that NO BILL is passed at all... Posted by: mattnrva
» Why not pass a public option bill NOW? Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: Why not pass a public option bill NOW? Posted by: Outsidetheboxlookingin
» RE: Why not pass a public option bill NOW? Posted by: photon's feather
» I forgot to say one thing Posted by: warrior woman
» RE: I forgot to say one thing Posted by: deckchair1912
» SUE FANDL Posted by: smf1403
» Stop yelling about Kucinich. You can't read that any better than you can understand hollering. Posted by: Beck
» Hey Beck. Give it up. Obama is losing and you CAN'T HANDLE THE FUCKING TRUTH ! BWAHAHAHAHA !! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Hey Beck. Give it up. Obama is losing and you CAN'T HANDLE THE FUCKING TRUTH ! BWAHAHAHAHA !! Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: Hey Beck. Give it up. Obama is losing and you CAN'T HANDLE THE FUCKING TRUTH ! BWAHAHAHAHA !! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Stop yelling about Kucinich. You can't read that any better than you can understand hollering. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Stop yelling about Kucinich. You can't read that any better than you can understand hollering. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Is the author still smoking from the Hope bong? Part One Posted by: chlamor
» Is the losing party still condescending? part one Posted by: Beck
» The Democratic Party is about to be the losing party starting in VA and NJ. BWAHAHAHA !! Posted by: maxpayne
» if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: brandweerspuit
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: andrushka
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: if you are poor don't get sick in the world's richest nation Posted by: photon's feather
» How??? Because we turned our country over to psycopaths who care NOT ONE WIT ..... Posted by: CynicI
» Is The author still smoking from the Hope bong? Part Two Posted by: chlamor
» Is contempt still seen as seductive? Part one. Posted by: Beck
» RE: Is The author still smoking from the Hope bong? Part Two Posted by: photon's feather
» Which Side Will You Stand On? Posted by: NoPCZone
» You pegged it. Rahm is now President of the United States of Israel. Posted by: CynicI
» They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: cityofangelslady
» RE: They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: They don't understand what it's like to be poor Posted by: photon's feather
» She did, Anna, and technically she wouldn't fall in that category but her reality.... Posted by: CynicI
» The only he I didn't need 'changed' was my excellent health plan. Now about that perpetual war... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: The only he I didn't need 'changed' was my excellent health plan. Now about that perpetual war... Posted by: Longdream
» We pay for the helpless anyway. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: We pay for the helpless anyway. Posted by: Longdream
» I absolutely agree. We should fund primary care.... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: I absolutely agree. We should fund primary care.... Posted by: Longdream
» Hey, a single payer plan with an "opt out" would be ok.... Posted by: CynicI
» As long as you don't try to fund your adventure... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Take your FOOT out of your mouth, Put it in The DOOR and KICK it DOWN! Posted by: williameon
» Pull your head out of your ass and open your eyes Posted by: leafsong1
» He is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES... he needs to dig down into that gut of his and find..... Posted by: CynicI
» gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
» This is the President Obama you have been waiting for Posted by: none#77
» RE: This is the President Obama you have been waiting for Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Getting rid of the insurance companies is the first step... Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Big ego, little brain. Posted by: Longdream
» Why don't you leave the country since you support Obama who hates the Constitution and America?? Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Why don't you leave the country since you support Obama who hates the Constitution and America?? Posted by: Longdream
» That's very disingenuous of you. Posted by: photon's feather
» How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: How's that MA care going? Glad to be living in KY instead ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: It's not going to work. Posted by: Longdream
» Yo LongDream. Your girlfriend Quannah doesn't support Massachussetts Care ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Yo LongDream. Your girlfriend Quannah doesn't support Massachussetts Care ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Yo LongDream. Your girlfriend Quannah doesn't support Massachussetts Care ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Knock it off, Lex. Posted by: photon's feather
» Never, ever presume to speak for me. Posted by: photon's feather
» Your ignorance is showing. Until you listen to the speeches with your ears instead Posted by: avidAmerican
» Oh, it was the Obama YOU'VE been waiting for Posted by: Beck
» Oh but Beck confessed today to supporting Sarah Palin for president ! Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Health care reform must fail - War criminal house negro must fail Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: Health care reform must fail - War criminal house negro must fail Posted by: cityofangelslady
» You know what? You're damn right ! Even Pakistan has some universal health care !! Posted by: maxpayne
» Obuncletomma Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Health care reform must fail - War criminal house negro must fail Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Health care reform must fail - War criminal house negro must fail Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: picket
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: LStinson1988
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: LStinson1988
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» Yo Longdream. Better not joke Kucinich. Quannah may have to come right over and kick your ass ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Yo Longdream. Better not joke Kucinich. Quannah may have to come right over and kick your ass ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Yo Longdream. Better not joke Kucinich. Quannah may have to come right over and kick your ass ! Posted by: Longdream
» You're letting him wind you up, Longdream! Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: You're letting him wind you up, Longdream! Posted by: Longdream
» LONGDREAM!! Hope you return: I owe you an APOLOGY Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: LONGDREAM!! Hope you return: I owe you an APOLOGY Posted by: Longdream
» RE: LONGDREAM!! Hope you return: I owe you an APOLOGY Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: LONGDREAM!! Hope you return: I owe you an APOLOGY Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do Not Support Any of The Plans Proposed ...so far.. Posted by: photon's feather
» Obama calls for Tort reform. Really! Posted by: MeyravLevine
» RE: Obama calls for Tort reform. Really! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Both GAO & CBO disagree with Obama on cost of defensive medicine Posted by: MeyravLevine
» RE: Both GAO & CBO disagree with Obama on cost of defensive medicine Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Both GAO & CBO disagree with Obama on cost of defensive medicine Posted by: MeyravLevine
» Obama , the used car salesman! Posted by: peacelf
» Well, at least 3 or 4 of you are smart enough to not fall for it, eh? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Well, at least 3 or 4 of you are smart enough to not fall for it, eh? Posted by: photon's feather
» It's obvious you didn't watch the speech and were against our President anyway Posted by: avidAmerican
» RE: It's obvious you didn't watch the speech...Politics v. The People Posted by: peacelf
» RE: It's obvious you didn't watch the speech...Politics v. The People Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: It's quite obvious that you listened to the speech... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: He's an Obama cultist on this site. Posted by: Longdream
» Typical Obama cultist talk. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Typical Obama...Critical thinking is not cynicism. Posted by: peacelf
» Can we get Nixon? Republicans can have Obama Posted by: MeyravLevine
» Because people made demands Posted by: james108
» RE: Because people made demands Posted by: photon's feather
» We already knew he was good at speeches. Posted by: james108
» RE: We already knew he was good at speeches. Posted by: Belisarius6
» Did you even read his own words or any of the articles? Posted by: james108
» popham Posted by: popham
» What party did you represent in your run for president? And Alinsky is great. Posted by: Beck
» Beck confesses to supporting Sarah Palin for next election. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Alinksy dedicated "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» RE: Alinksy dedicated "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer... Posted by: Beck
» RE: popham Posted by: cityofangelslady
» popham: clueless idiot Posted by: leafsong1
» A few scientific formulas from the speech Posted by: ElRoi
» Reject manditory coverage then Posted by: james108
» rgd Posted by: rgd
» Health care bill are what is strangling the country!! Posted by: sktyler
» Sick People Can't Work Posted by: cityofangelslady
» RE: Sick People Can't Work Posted by: bonapartist
» For a jock Obama is still a wimp Posted by: solrev
» RE:But Ultimately He Must Lead For The Good Of The People Not Himself Posted by: desidid
» Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: LStinson1988
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: LStinson1988
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Obama's bullshit speech confirms that the US will remain a fucking laughing stock on health care ! Posted by: LStinson1988
» "What does the Obama “health care reform” mean to working people?" Posted by: jcrw
» Speak for yourself Ms. Stan! Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Kucinich is in the same party Obama and Gore are in Posted by: Beck
» RE: Kucinich is in the same party Obama and Gore are in Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Kucinich is in the same party Obama and Gore are in Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Kucinich & Gore are a different faction Posted by: bonapartist
» But Beck recently confessed to supporting Sarah Palin Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Kucinich one of the true old real Democrats still in the party Posted by: Changling
» I need to reassure some of you. Obama is a socialist! No, he's worse! He's a Posted by: Beck
» RE: I need to reassure some of you. Obama is a socialist! No, he's worse! He's a Posted by: cmaciain
» Uhh, I'll go with "Obama is corporate Republican shill"... Posted by: bonapartist
» Beck confesses to supporting Sarah Palin. Check it out. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Benn Miller, Ever Hear of the SNARK? Posted by: bessie
» Yeah so what's so special about Beck's shitty snarking? Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Why don't you simply check out what he has done Posted by: Changling
» Speaking of calling out lies... Posted by: shinseiji
» RE: Speaking of calling out lies...you found the reason... Posted by: Changling
» Why do people listen to politician speeches and then comment on them... Posted by: leafsong1
» RE:Substance not speeches are where it counts Posted by: Changling
» I don't know. Why do people make up racist names for an official they didn't vote for? Posted by: Beck
» If this is the Obama we've been waiting for Posted by: halg
» RE: If this is the Obama we've been waiting for Posted by: VZEQICVA
» We the people are left out in the cold - again. Posted by: Paul_C
» RE: We the people are left out in the cold - again. Posted by: Ronbo
» Some thoughts Posted by: willymack
» What pathetic cynicism. The Ted Kennedy part brought tears to many eyes, you robot. Posted by: Beck
» And so the unimaginable happens. Attacking another fellow progressive again. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: What cynicism. Putting Ted Kennedy's name to whatever monstrosity made is pathetic. Posted by: Changling
» Beware of Biden. The MBNA crook sheds crocodile tears. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Kennedy and Biden knew each other for 36 years. Posted by: Beck
» That doesn't change the fact that Biden, D-MBNA, is a corporate crook while TK isn't. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» The Centerpiece Posted by: Thomas Dooley
» The option... Posted by: sktyler
» RE: The option... Posted by: Thomas Dooley
» RE: The option... Posted by: sktyler
» RE: The option... Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: The option... Posted by: Thomas Dooley
» My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» RE: My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care. Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» RE: My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care. Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Why did YOU invent that? Here are the facts of Obama's campaign words on single payer Posted by: Beck
» Did Obama make it clear that he'd start from scratch or continue status quo? NO ! Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» How is it that Obama cultists such as Beck have all day to troll on Alternet ? Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE:True believers do it for free & where does Wilhelm I come in? Posted by: Changling
» Ignore Beck and Gabba . . . Posted by: countingdaisies
» I don't believe you and your brother quit jobs to tell people something the candidate did not state. Posted by: Beck
» And so the unimaginable happens. Beck the cultist attacking another fellow progressive. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: And so the unimaginable happens. Beck the cultist attacking another fellow progressive. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Well, maybe next election I'll stop work and campaign for Palin on the grounds that she's prochoice. Posted by: Beck
» Beck supports Palin? WOW ! Thanks for the confession. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» You now support Palin? No wonder you were rude and obnoxious. Should have known. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Get real: Single payer is *not* politically possible. Posted by: sktyler
» Self-defeatist thinking. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: My brother and I are thoroughly disappointed with Obama after last night's speech on health care Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» really bizarre that you went to hundreds of doors with no script, no clipboard, no training Posted by: Beck
» Campaign volunteers are not required to know everything. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Beck cannot be reasoned with. She's just an Obama enabler. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Campaign volunteers are not required to know everything. What? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Campaign volunteers are not required to know everything. What? Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Sorry, not buying the ridiculous story that you gave up work to campaign on assumptions Posted by: Beck
» Maurice & Gerard, Beck's just an Obamabot. Don't let her bother you. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Maurice & Gerard, Beck's just an Obamabot. Don't let her bother you. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Sorry, I just found out from other people on this site about your arrogance. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» RE: Sorry, I just found out from other people on this site; you ARE other people on this site Posted by: Beck
» Thanks for confirming your arrogance and your own dishonesty. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Beck will believe in people who lack valid birth certificates over ordinary people. Posted by: Chris Kaufmann
» Thank you for being honest and I forgive you sort of. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Thank you for being honest and I forgive you sort of. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» I will always be able to get a chuckle of anyone who "gave up work" calling ME an Obamabot! Posted by: Beck
» No, I actually think you'll like Benn better. Funny, he uses "cultist" here, too Posted by: Beck
» I think I'm beginning to understand why most people don't take you seriously. Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» The man is undoubtedly a great orator... Posted by: Pirate1
» RE: The man is undoubtedly a great orator... Posted by: Ronbo
» THIS Posted by: sirios
» RE: THIS Posted by: Maurice & Gerard
» Force Posted by: QQOblivion
» I believe Posted by: Archie1954
» RE: I believe Posted by: horton
» Time to WAKE UP, Archie!! Barack is WORTHLESS as well as a TURNCOAT and SELLOUT !! Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: I believe Posted by: cmaciain
» The 'progressives' should grow up. Posted by: hilaryuk
» RE: The 'progressives' should grow up. Posted by: cmaciain
» It was a good oratory Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: The 'progressives' should grow up. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» So you're saying... Posted by: james108
» You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: hilaryuk
» RE: You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: hilaryuk
» RE: You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: You live in the UK and have lovely health care so shut up and leave us alone ! Posted by: hilaryuk
» Wall Street Checks Off On It! Posted by: liblady2008
» Obama's piss poor speech last night will keep me from returning to the Democratic Party. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Obama's piss poor speech last night will keep me from returning to the Democratic Party. Posted by: bonapartist
» Oh, I've seen the nastiest of both sides out here in Shreveport. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: Oh, I've seen the nastiest of both sides out here in Shreveport. Posted by: bonapartist
» Time to WAKE UP!! Barack is WORTHLESS as well as a TURNCOAT and SELLOUT !! Posted by: mattnrva
» You need to go visit my mom. She's pretty upset at his socialism. Posted by: Beck
» Your mom would be ashamed of you if she caught you here. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» And he is good at it Posted by: bonapartist
» mattnrva, you may find this of interest... Posted by: zigy
» Obama Deception is RIGHT ON -- a masterpiece Posted by: mattnrva
» All part of the plan Posted by: ZPaul
» Excellent post, ZPAUL.... Posted by: zigy
» I heard what I've been waiting for . . . Posted by: sherry
» Clear statement from Obama on public option Posted by: pdrich
» That is bold for you? Posted by: bonapartist
» This was in NO WAY a bold statement!! Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Clear statement from Obama on public option Posted by: photon's feather
» What's not to like? Posted by: bonapartist
» Was this a Republican or Democrat (no a corporatist!) Posted by: Ronbo
» Obama's plan is unconstitutional , granting taxing authority to corporations. Posted by: UnEasyOne
» Like Bush, Obama doesn't care to follow the Constitution. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» To the "Realists", being a slave is the normal human condition. Posted by: zigy
» Republicans breathe a sigh of relief Posted by: Jdog
» This was NOT the "Obama we've been waiting for" Posted by: Fonseca
» RE: This was NOT the "Obama we've been waiting for" Posted by: john courtneidge
» President Obama is the greatest!!! Posted by: bjandresen
» President Obama is the greatest TRAITOR !!! Posted by: Benn_Miller
» RE: President Obama is the greatest!!! Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: Go to Rehab! Posted by: Augustus_818
» bjandresen: Message from Obama Posted by: countingdaisies
» Obama's "Public Option" simply creates a dumping ground for insurance company rejects. Posted by: UnEasyOne
» Yes, the rejects need insurance. Posted by: Beck
» While Beck enjoys single payer from the military, she shills for mandatory care against the public. Posted by: Benn_Miller
» Of course they do! But a public option gives the PUBLIC an OPTION to the government insurance - Posted by: UnEasyOne
» People are insane! Posted by: KitKat
» RE: People are insane! - Nah, just stupid and gullible. Posted by: UnEasyOne
» Hate to admit it but you're right. Posted by: zigy
» RE: People are insane! Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: Americans are not insane, they are savages! Posted by: PakiBoy
» Tjhe president avoids reality re Death panels Posted by: leonardfeingold
» The rationing is happening now! Posted by: Defenestrator
» Ol' Barack the Puppet... Posted by: mattnrva
» RE: Ol' Barack the Puppet... Posted by: Beck
» Some good points in Obama's plan Posted by: MeyravLevine
» Far short Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: I agree: without a universal health care, this bill falls far short. Posted by: MeyravLevine
» Sure it does Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Some good points in Obama's plan Posted by: leonardfeingold
» And just who the hell are you? Posted by: countingdaisies
» I'm not a big fan of half-measures, but... Posted by: Jdog
» RE: I'm not a big fan of half-measures, but... Posted by: photon's feather
» Representative Wilson should not have apologized! Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Unfortunately, you're right. Posted by: james108
» RE: That's a good start... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Will people please start doing some homework? Posted by: Defenestrator
» Did you pay attention? Posted by: james108
» RE: Leave things foggy and the Courts... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» False Posted by: Defenestrator
» NOPE Posted by: james108
» RE: NOPE Posted by: Defenestrator
» Believe what you want Posted by: james108
» RE: Believe what you want Posted by: Defenestrator
» RE: False Posted by: EncinoM
» However, Addison Graves Wilson DID apologize Posted by: Beck
» Talking the talk Posted by: TRC109
» Never! Posted by: Augustus_818
» I hear you ! Not all of us are Obama fundies even if we are indies of all sorts. Posted by: Lex Thomas
» RE: I hear you ! Not all of us are Obama fundies even if we are indies of all sorts. Posted by: Augustus_818
» RE: I hear you ! Not all of us are Obama fundies even if we are indies of all sorts. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Backdoor Insurance Industry Bailout Posted by: sgt_doom
» RE: Backdoor Insurance Industry Bailout Posted by: LStinson1988
» Okay I know that it is not functioning as should but I have the new cuts here Posted by: flymulla
» Yeah Posted by: james108
» Obama is Weak. They are going to Eat Him Posted by: Stu Piddy
» Rude Boy Blows it. Health Care Over Edge? Posted by: GaryRumor
» Do you mean Addison Graves Wilson? One of my laughs of the day. he ain't "Joe" Posted by: Beck
» Around the Fool's Block Posted by: bessie
» RE: Around the Fool's Block Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Doing the Math Posted by: bessie
» THAT LYIN STYLE Posted by: reelman
» Doofus. Think before opening mouth. Posted by: Paul_C
» Seriously. And also get your info from a better source, like the New England Journal of Medicine Posted by: Defenestrator
» This comments section is one of the biggest nervous breakdowns ever Posted by: Beck
» RE: This comments section is one of the biggest nervous breakdowns ever Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: This comments section is one of the biggest nervous breakdowns ever Posted by: Longdream
» Barack's LIES -- and more broken promises -- Barack just can't stop his fucking lies!!! What a POS! Posted by: mattnrva
» Lets put it on the 2012 ballot Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Lets put it on the 2012 ballot Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Lets put it on the 2012 ballot Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» leftbank Posted by: markw4786
» thanks Posted by: bowie

Yeah MaxLexJen, we know what a hard-on you stealth Republicans have for anti-Semitism
Posted by: GuitarBill on Sep 10, 2009 8:06 AM   
Current rating: 2

Does Israel and AIPAC really control the United States?

If you honestly believe that bilge, you and David Duke should get together and have lunch.

Bon Appetit!





'9/11 Conspiracy Theories Ridiculous' - Al Qaeda.


The Biggest Conspiracy Of The Century.
___ {end}


And so the unimaginable happens. Guitarbill back on trolling street.
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Sep 10, 2009 10:13 AM   
Current rating: 4

Getting off-topic aren't we?
___ {end}


{More is available in Volume 3 starting about here.}


By Rebecca Solnit, Tomdispatch.com. Posted September 11, 2009.
How 9/11 Should Be Remembered: The Extraordinary Achievements of Ordinary People

2009-09-11

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» Yes, but was it really/only caveman Osama bin-Forgotten & his 19 lackeys with boxcutters??? Posted by: JohnTruth2001
» RE: Yes, but was it really/only caveman Osama bin-Forgotten & his 19 lackeys with boxcutters??? Posted by: willymack
» You left out the part ..... Posted by: McGovern72!
» "...nineteen nitwits who couldn't even pilot a Cessna"? Really? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: "...nineteen nitwits who couldn't even pilot a Cessna"? Really? Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Mr Shalev is an expert flight instructor, and you, in my opinion, are an anti-Semite. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Mr Shalev is an expert flight instructor, and you, in my opinion, are an anti-Semite. Posted by: Prinzowhales
» No! I believe all the witnesses. What I don't believe are your bogus interpretations of their words. Posted by: GuitarBill
» How ecumenical of you. Yet, the witnesses contradict each other and you don't want an investigation Posted by: Prinzowhales
» The real criminals have already been brought to justice. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Then why are our lads busy butchering Afghanis? Posted by: Prinzowhales
» You don't have any evidence. When will you learn? Questions and speculation are not evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» There weren't 19 lackeys, Posted by: kellysgarden
» Another Gen-Y moron who can't think. They're still alive? You're a nut. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I'm done learning about stuff Posted by: McGovern72!
» Osama bin Laden died in December of 2001. Posted by: LeftWright
» In remembrance of all the innocent victims who perished on 11 September 2001. Posted by: GuitarBill
» We were all looking up Posted by: weathered
» RE: We were all looking up Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» 9/11 Cognitive dissonance Posted by: Carts
» RE: 9/11 Cognitive WHAT? - Don't be silly! Posted by: Age of Reason
» RE: 9/11 Cognitive WHAT? - it's called cognitive dissonance Posted by: kellysgarden
» "Farewell America" book PDF Posted by: Carts
» RE: "Farewell America" book PDF Posted by: kellysgarden
» those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: Tim Behrend
» RE: those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: Allstar Cookie
» RE: those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: those responsible for 9/11 Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Name one in that list that was an officially declared war... Posted by: kogwonton
» 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: bcainw
» RE: 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: antonius116
» RE: why would I get political information from a Bi-Polar tv Actor? Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: why would I get political information from a Bi-Polar tv Actor? Posted by: antonius116
» RE: why would I get political information from a Bi-Polar tv Actor? Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Go to patriotsquestion911.com and start reading what hundreds of former military and intelligence Posted by: LeftWright
» Charlie Sheen? Posted by: Ayla87
» RE: Charlie Sheen? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: willymack
» "If there was ever a time to wake up, this is it." Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: 911: The Crime of the Millenium Posted by: dianabol
» The Spammers agree with the truthiness movement Posted by: EncinoM
» Favorite 9/11 debunking sites Posted by: Perry Logan
» RE: Favorite 9/11 debunking..."THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND.." Posted by: Age of Reason
» Bah, Bah-BAs Bah BAh Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Favorite 9/11 debunking..."THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND.." Posted by: Age of Reason
» BaaaaaaaH Posted by: EncinoM
» Flight 77 photographic evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Flight 77 photographic evidence. Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Wrong again, PrinceOfLies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Sidestepping the point again, GB... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» No, it ought to be obvious to you, but you're a conspiranoid so the obvious is never obvious. Posted by: GuitarBill
» NORAD's alleged "failure". Posted by: GuitarBill
» GuitarBill Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: Bah, Bah-BAs Bah BAh Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: antonius116
» RE: Bah, Bah-BAs Bah BAh Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: EncinoM
» Bold requests for busy-work you'll never review Posted by: MaxBridges
» Still waiting... Posted by: EncinoM
» You're in the NYC area, EncinoM, go talk to some of the union ironworkers who worked the site Posted by: LeftWright
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» It should, and will eventually, be remembered as the greatest act of treason Posted by: fsuthai
» the greatest act of treason Posted by: kellysgarden
» 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: PointMan
» RE: 9/11 , Not that it matters but Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» Typical conspiranoid. When confronted with real evidence, ignore it. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: 9/11 NEVER “matters” to the MINDLESS & GULLIBLE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: willymack
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: let some Cave Boy stick a box cutter to your throat Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: PointMan
» box cutter Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: box cutter Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: box cutter 9/11 FOLLIES Posted by: PointMan
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Another FOOL NEOCON that believes the 9/11 DC LIE Posted by: PointMan
» RE: Did you just fart? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» NO you farted clown Posted by: PointMan
» RE: 9/11 COVER-UP & FASCISM USA Posted by: Prinzowhales
» I was shocked. Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: I was shocked....you'd be even MORE SHOCKED! Posted by: Age of Reason
» RE: I was shocked....you'd be even MORE SHOCKED! Posted by: willymack
» RE: I was shocked....you'd be even MORE SHOCKED! Posted by: Age of Reason
» Bah, BA-BAs Bah BAh Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: EncinoM
» wow...like Halloween, the nuts are out in force! n/t Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: I was shocked....you'd be even MORE SHOCKED! Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: I was shocked....you'd be even MORE SHOCKED! Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: I was shocked. Posted by: McGovern72!
» You are easily "shocked" NEOCON Posted by: PointMan
» RE: You are easily "shocked" NEOCON Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: I was shocked. Posted by: aussidawg
» The REAL lesson from 9/11: Muslims are evil. Posted by: rickiey
» RE: The REAL lesson from 9/11: Muslims are evil. Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Caleb's Christians and the planes they fly Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Caleb's Christians and the planes they fly Posted by: EncinoM
» Repeating bad arguments doesn't make them good Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: epeating bad arguments doesn't make them good Posted by: EncinoM
» EncinoM: member of the true truthiness movement Posted by: MaxBridges
» Good post, Max Bridges! Thank you n/t Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Caleb's Christians and the planes they fly Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Caleb's a third-string disinformation warrior Posted by: MaxBridges
» RE: Caleb's a third-string disinformation warrior Posted by: GatoPreto
» What's the matter, Max? Are you angry because I BUSTED you posting Nazi lies from http://whale.to? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The REAL lesson from 9/11: Muslims are evil. Posted by: progressive-life
» How Dare You Perpetuate The Lie! Posted by: wbradleyjr1
» Osama bin Laden already confessed to 9/11 numerous times... Posted by: yellow
» FBI says not enough evidence to Posted by: kellysgarden
» Cult Marxist LOON "yellow" says Bin Laden "confessed"? IT'S a LIE Posted by: PointMan
» even a 7th grader can tell that's not bin Laden in the tape Posted by: kellysgarden
» How sad Posted by: EncinoM
» You are a pathetic, lying corporate shill... Posted by: fsuthai
» How nice of you to mention me! :) Posted by: brunowe
» RE: You are a pathetic, lying corporate shill... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: You are / I think you should expose the tooth fairy nonbelievers Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Are you out farting too? Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: How sad; thank you. The lone voice of reason so far Posted by: Beck
» Sorry! :) Posted by: BreeMass
» Appreciation for truthiness debunkers Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» Thanks Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: How sad Posted by: McGovern72!
» EncinoTrash TROLL rolls out NEOCON BS Posted by: PointMan
» RE: ncinoTrash TROLL rolls out NEOCON BS Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: EncinoTrash TROLL rolls out NEOCON BS Posted by: PointMan
» What's sad is how the union ironworkers and other ground zero workers are being "treated" Posted by: LeftWright
» Exploiting the illness of iron workers and first responders in service to your fringe conspiranoia? Posted by: GuitarBill
» While America the evil empire celebrates 9/11/01, the world will comemorate 9/11/73 Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: While America the evil empire celebrates 9/11/01, the world will comemorate 9/11/73 Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: While America the evil empire celebrates 9/11/01, the world will comemorate 9/11/73 Posted by: richholland
» RE: And you must have posted while on a break from raping or murdering anothe girl Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: And you must have posted while on a break from raping or murdering anothe girl Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: bobdown
» RE: Let it go Posted by: MeyravLevine
» Well said, and agreed! Thank you.... n/t Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: bobdown
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: bobdown
» RE: You acknowledge ignorance about your own savagery and have Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» You're disgusting, 'darkstar'! You can't refute history so attack Posted by: fsuthai
» RE: You're disgusting, Fart thai Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» You nailed it, fsuthai, just ignore the ignorant flag-draped troll Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: You nailed it, fsuthai, just ignore the ignorant flag-draped troll Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» Pop quiz, C D - Who is Dave Frasca? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Pop quiz, C D - Who is Dave Frasca? Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» How quickly we forget... Posted by: Age of Reason
» Geography 101, Pakistan is in south Asia, not the middle east... n/t Posted by: LeftWright
» Godzilla Posted by: ClassAct
» RE: Godzilla Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Godzilla / Don't forget about the Time Institute of Travelers Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» RE: Godzilla / Don't forget about the Time Institute of Travelers Posted by: bobdown
» Foresight Posted by: ClassAct
» RE: Godzilla / Don't forget about the Time Institute of Travelers Posted by: Reader in Japan
» truth re 9/11 Posted by: richholland
» Before Truthers think he is on their side, here is what he said: Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Before Truthers think he is on their side, here is what he said: Posted by: richholland
» RE: Before Truthers think he is on their side, here is what he said: Posted by: EncinoM
» How about G.H.W. Bush and son Jeb? Posted by: LeftWright
» Yes, Bush is incompetent. Read Robert Perry for more. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The question was not about "Dubya" GB, he was picked to be the poster boy for "incompetence" Posted by: LeftWright
» Patriotism in War Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Patriotism in War Posted by: kellysgarden
» Where are the hundreds of rabid 9/11 commentators? Off to work town halls for the health industry? Posted by: gunboat diplomat
» RE: Where are the hundreds of rabid 9/11 commentators? Off to work town halls for the health industry? Posted by: GatoPreto
» ASTROTURF BS "gunboat" defends DC & NEOCON CROCK Posted by: PointMan
» RE: ASTROTURF BS "gunboat" defends DC & NEOCON CROCK Posted by: camusrebel
» Pointy, you really need a new English to Arabic translator. Posted by: GuitarBill
» ROFLMAO, g d, you could not possibly be more wrong .... Posted by: LeftWright
» How about Jimmy Walter, "Left"Rodent? He's filthy rich. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» 17mins of remembering Posted by: relament
» Will the Truthiness Sheep think for themselves Posted by: EncinoM
» questioning the mainstream media is being a sheep? Posted by: dover23
» Bah, BA-BAs Bah BAh Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: EncinoM
» EncinoTrash Barks his NEOCON LIAR BS Posted by: PointMan
» “I saw papers that show the U.S. knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes… Posted by: LeftWright
» The Day Physics Stood Still Posted by: JFlagg
» What is your point... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: What is your point... Posted by: antonius116
» RE: What is your point... Posted by: EncinoM
» A question for 911 "truthers": Who is Leslie Robertson, and why isn't he a member of 911 "truth"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» irrelevant, but where's the video of flight 77? Posted by: dover23
» He is only the engineer who help design the Posted by: EncinoM
» you switched topics and forgot to answer the questions Posted by: dover23
» RE: you switched topics and forgot to answer the questions Posted by: EncinoM
» why is the video is irrelevant? it will shut up the truthers Posted by: dover23
» RE: why is the video is irrelevant? it will shut up the truthers Posted by: EncinoM
» "...no facts...nothing"? What's this? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: "...no facts...nothing"? What's this? Posted by: dover23
» The video of Flight 77 was released Posted by: GuitarBill
» Why try? Posted by: EncinoM
» Good question. Posted by: GuitarBill
» 1 frame per second is not a video Posted by: dover23
» Ever heard of Google? Posted by: GuitarBill
» do you really think people are that stupid? Posted by: dover23
» Apparently you are that stupid. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Apparently you are that stupid. Posted by: dover23
» Questions are NOT evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: 1 frame per second is not a video Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
» LOL! %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The video of Flight 77 was released... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» "...irrelevant"? On the contrary, my question's are perfectly relevant. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Don't know...It would be nice to hear him under oath in a real investigation. Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Why would you put the building's SE under oath? He's not a suspect, idiot. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Who is Leslie Robertson? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Who is Leslie Robertson? Posted by: EncinoM
» Again you are misleading people, EncinoM Posted by: SurfingScientist
» Lying again, conspiranoid? When do your lies end, fool? Posted by: GuitarBill
» As soon as your insults start, you loose the argument Posted by: SurfingScientist
» Ever heard of the Scientific Method, Mr. "Scientist"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You lost, and SurfingScientist's subject explains why. Posted by: MaxBridges
» What was that, Max? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: As soon as your insults start, you loose the argument Posted by: EncinoM
» You have more in common with the 9/11 Truth Movement than you think Posted by: MaxBridges
» Do you even read what you write? Posted by: EncinoM
» Their insults started; they lost the argument (long time ago) Posted by: MaxBridges
» What was that, Max? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You'll never go broke... Posted by: Age of Reason
» No matter how low I place my estimate... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Honor First Responders! Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Honor First Responders! Posted by: Age of Reason
» RE: Honor First Responders! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: 911 Kangaroo Kommission Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: 911 Kangaroo Kommission Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Wrong Again Bucko Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Wrong Again Bucko Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Wrong Again Bucko Posted by: D. Shenary
» The sign of a weak argument. Posted by: GuitarBill
» The SIGN of a WEAK MIND (GasBag GuitarShill) Posted by: PointMan
» I didn't defend anything, Pointy. I merely read the document and told people what's really in it Posted by: GuitarBill
» NEOCON GuitarShill spews his own KOOL-AID Posted by: PointMan
» Look Mister_Cyclops learned a new word: NEOCON Posted by: GuitarBill
» Look: GuitarShill ADMITS he is (what else) -- RACIST NEOCON Posted by: PointMan
» Controlled Demolitions: Domestic Terrorism by the Neocons Posted by: Alan8
» Bah, Bah-BAs Bah BAH Bah Baaaaaah! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Controlled Demolitions: Domestic Terrorism by the Neocons Posted by: 3rdI
» Thank you... Posted by: BreeMass
» YOU show no respect for the victims! Posted by: relament
» Have you no shame... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Have you no logic... Posted by: antonius116
» RE: Have you no logic... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Have you no logic... Posted by: antonius116
» RE: Have you no logic... Posted by: EncinoM
» Over 800 Architects and Building Engineers Posted by: SurfingScientist
» Over 125,000 American Society of Civil Engineers structural engineers trumps your 780 charlatans. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Counting starts at 1 unless you show me the list of people in this society Posted by: SurfingScientist
» ASCE agrees with NIST. Posted by: GuitarBill
» It's 25 engineers, Bill, not 125,000 Posted by: SurfingScientist
» So liar, where's your proof that a significant number of ASCE engineers agree with 911 "TOOTH"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You can't even count. Time to work on your math, Bill. Posted by: SurfingScientist
» I can't count, @$$hole? Since when is 800 greater than 125,000? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Over 800 Architects and any person who can use the term Engineers Posted by: EncinoM
» Again you misrepresent the facts Posted by: SurfingScientist
» NO! you misrepresent the facts, jerk. Since when is 800 > 125,000? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Again you misrepresent the facts Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Have you no logic... Posted by: GuitarBill
» Let them speak for themselves Posted by: SurfingScientist
» They have, and they agree with the NIST Report. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Show me the list of people that have explictly agreed with NIST Posted by: SurfingScientist
» The ASCE is explicit in its agreement with the NIST Report. Posted by: GuitarBill
» No they haven't. Your opinions are misleading. Posted by: SurfingScientist
» More BS, your alleged "scientist"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» You are just repeating your arguments without even trying to discuss Posted by: SurfingScientist
» Since when is 800 > 125,000, @$$. You're a "scientist"? BS! Posted by: GuitarBill
» Have you no brain? Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: These Neo-cons will stoop to anything... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» You have it backward, PrinceOfLies. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: If that is the case, why do you fear an open, official investigation? Posted by: Prinzowhales
» Is that all you have, straw man arguments? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Try reading and then thinking, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» smoke and mirrors Posted by: Flavious
» 9-11...the biggest fraud since the Federal Reserve Posted by: antonius116
» BBC announced the collapse of #7 twenty minutes prior Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: BBC announced the collapse of #7 twenty minutes prior Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Yeah, Murphy's law, on two different channels and... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» The Count Down was a Proven Hoax Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: The Count Down, CNN film of police telling crowd to get back because WTC was going to blow Posted by: Prinzowhales
» RE: The Count Down, CNN film of police telling crowd to get back because WTC was going to blow Posted by: EncinoM
» All you have, PrinceOfLies is video fakery--and here's the proof. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Nice try...but no prize... Posted by: Prinzowhales
» You don't have anything but video fakery Posted by: GuitarBill
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start: Posted by: LeftWright
» The Funniest & Most Ironic Thing about 9-11 Truthers Posted by: McGovern72!
» Actually, there is a fairly significant group of Libretarians in the 9/11 truth movement, Posted by: LeftWright
» I knew something was weird when Dim Son was told Posted by: camusrebel
» RE: I knew something was weird when Dim Son was told Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: I knew something was weird when Dim Son was told Posted by: camusrebel
» RE: I knew something was weird when Dim Son was told Posted by: willymack
» The alternative media has finally been compromised. Posted by: rafaeltoral
» RE: The alternative media has finally been compromised. Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: The alternative media has finally been compromised. Posted by: GatoPreto
» Honest, unbias, logical, reasonable, and rational debate is not in these hacks vocabulary. Posted by: Quist
» Speaking of @$$holes, it's rafaeltoral, AlterNet's number 1 bung hole. Posted by: GuitarBill
» But you are a wing-nut, pal. And your idiotic pseudo-science is pure cr*p Posted by: GuitarBill
» But you are a NEOCON pushing DC GENOCIDE War LIES Posted by: PointMan
» Deep State coup Posted by: simuvac
» RE: Deep State coup Posted by: simuvac
» McGovern72, wow, how clear that many pretend Posted by: camusrebel
» RE: McGovern72, wow, how clear that many pretend Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: McGovern72, wow, how clear that many pretend Posted by: camusrebel
» George McG was a liberals liberal, not afraid of taking Posted by: camusrebel
» RE: George McG was a liberals liberal, not afraid of taking Posted by: McGovern72!
» RE: George McG was a liberals liberal, not afraid of taking Posted by: camusrebel
» RE: George McG was a liberals liberal, not afraid of taking Posted by: camusrebel
» can anyone tell me why Posted by: chrisp.
» Questions and speculation are not evidence. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Odd, He Didn't Use the Word EVACUATE Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Odd, He Didn't Use the Word EVACUATE Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: My - But You Are Getting Touchy Posted by: D. Shenary
» So, tell us, conspiranoid genius, what was the "context" of Silverstein's statement? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Ah - The Old Tag Team Action Posted by: D. Shenary
» What part of this statement don't you undeerstand, Mr. Contextotomy? Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I - They - Who Cares? Posted by: D. Shenary
» "...I - They - Who Cares?"??? You're an idiot. %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: I - They - Who Cares? Posted by: EncinoM
» D. Shenary would lie to his mother. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Odd, He Didn't Use the Word EVACUATE Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Questions and speculation are not evidence. Posted by: camusrebel
» What part of this statement don't you understand? And I gave you a link to the video. Posted by: GuitarBill
» You can't "pull" a building in a matter of hours Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: You can't "pull" a building in a matter of hours Posted by: camusrebel
» WTC 7 didn't fall at "free fall" rates. It fell in 18 seconds. Posted by: GuitarBill
» I guess we know why you won't be asked to time any Olympic sprints, Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: can anyone tell me why Posted by: D. Shenary
» You have a great career ahead of you as a fiction writer.. Posted by: EncinoM
» You have a dismal career ahead of you as a propaganda writer.. Posted by: chrisp.
» Let's look at another question, shall we? Posted by: GuitarBill
» hey Mr almighty Guitarbill Posted by: chrisp.
» That right, conspiranoid, when you're